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Schwarz.13
11-07-2007, 03:05 PM
Very interesting story and debate; Lancastria was a civilian liner converted to a troop ship. Targeted by a Ju88, it sank with an estimated 4000 lives lost. Such a huge disaster during wartime led Churchhill to gag the press and ban disclosure of the details to the nation for 100 years!

Full story here (http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1768332007)

The Scotsman is a pile of sh*te imo and they're really enjoying beating their own drum but subject is worthy of some debate given that it is almost Remembrance Day - discuss...

Airmail109
11-07-2007, 03:09 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Poor Souls

100 year ban? Thats a bit over the top.

Good find, thx!

ploughman
11-07-2007, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Schwarz.13:
Very interesting story and debate; Lancastria was a civilian liner converted to a troop ship. Targeted by a Ju88, it sank with an estimated 4000 lives lost. Such a huge disaster during wartime led Churchhill to gag the press and ban disclosure of the details to the nation for 100 years!

Full story here (http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1768332007)

The Scotsman is a pile of sh*te imo and they're really enjoying beating their own drum but subject is worthy of some debate given that it is almost Remembrance Day - discuss...

Despite the 100 year secrecy and the D notice I've known of and lamented this tragedy for years. It seems the bomb entered a the ship through an open hatch and then exploded deep within the vessel.

Here is a pic of the Lancastria memorial that the Scotsman seems ignorant of.

http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/Images8/YvesStNazaire.jpg

Vike
11-07-2007, 03:21 PM
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leitmotiv
11-07-2007, 03:30 PM
I first found out about this in 1964 when I was reading a book, CAPTAIN OF THE QUEENS, by a Cunard captain who had commanded both QUEEN MARY and QUEEN ELIZABETH. Recent Churchill scholarship has questioned his use of censorship power during this period. Some believe censorship was used by him not to protect national security but to remove ammunition from his critics. Churchill fought another war from 1940 to 1945, and that was with the newspaper editors. After many losses, they got their revenge by savaging Churchill over Dresden, and Churchill gallantly directed the wrath of the press onto his faithful servant, Harris.

JG52Uther
11-07-2007, 03:35 PM
Never forget this one either:
http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-07-2007, 03:36 PM
A tragedy indeed.

Google search 'Lancastria' - not a very good cover up. Reported in the U.S. press in 1940.

Reminds me of all the rubbish spouted about Operation 'Tiger'.

Churchill was overwhelmingly rejected by the British electorate in 1945.

ploughman
11-07-2007, 04:07 PM
Interesting, I'd always thought a D notice had legal backing but it seems they are voluntary. The MoD'll emit a D notice and the press simply complies (or not) on the grounds of national security.

Here's the site.... D (http://www.dnotice.org.uk/standing_da_notices.htm)

foxyboy1964
11-07-2007, 04:14 PM
The article says the sinking accounted for almost a third of the B.E.F's losses in France. I had never heard of it before.