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general_kalle
09-30-2007, 04:22 AM
if you could take one ww2 plane and edit it what would you do to it?

i have a couple of ideas.

add 2 additional heavy machine guns to the Oscar II. Or replace the machineguns with 2 Cannons in the nose.

- remove the machine guns on the Zero and add more Cannon ammo

- add more bomb racks to the Me262
its got the power to carry way for payload than the current 2 SC250
i think it can eaily carry 2 SC500

- try to move the engine of the P39 more forward to avoid the deadly flatspin?
but i guess thats impassilbe as that would require a whole new design

- put back 2 cannons on the me109F-G and K
just like on the E-Model

Platypus_1.JaVA
09-30-2007, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
if you could take one ww2 plane and edit it what would you do to it?

i have a couple of ideas.

add 2 additional heavy machine guns to the Oscar II. Or replace the machineguns with 2 Cannons in the nose.

- remove the machine guns on the Zero and add more Cannon ammo

- add more bomb racks to the Me262
its got the power to carry way for payload than the current 2 SC250
i think it can eaily carry 2 SC500

- try to move the engine of the P39 more forward to avoid the deadly flatspin?
but i guess thats impassilbe as that would require a whole new design

- put back 2 cannons on the me109F-G and K
just like on the E-Model

Lucky for us you ain't an aeronautical engineer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You might be right about the machine guns on the zero tough. But the oscar is really a light weight plane and adding 100's of pounds to it doesn't sound right. And part of the Me-262's failure was that Hitler insited on it being used as a bomber and not a fighter like it was supposed to. So adding more bombracks will only slow it down and forces the Me-262 in a role wich it was not designed for.

I would like to make redesign the B-25 with the Pratt & whitney 2800 engines instead of the cissy Wright cyclone R2600's. They kept making the aircraft heavier, but maintained the same engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

With the P-51, I would stick a pair of 20mm cannon's in it. This will greatly increases its firepower. Maybe also maintain a couple of .50's, much like the spitfire armament. (and to kill Tiger tanks, LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)It always seemd unfair to me that the Brits and the Germans got cool cannons in their aircraft and the US remained stuck with the .50's.

Ow and the Bf-109 would need to enlarge EVERYTHING by about 10%. So the pilots would have more room in the cockpit and there would be more rome for other modifications.

Pirschjaeger
09-30-2007, 07:25 AM
A 103 in the nose of the 109g2.
MW50 boost.
Toad's stick settings.
Nice stereo.
Complete cd set of "In Extremo".
Insulated beer holder.
Smokeless ashtray.


Life would be complete. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

MEGILE
09-30-2007, 07:28 AM
Hispanos on a Mustang III.
Can I get a , hell yeah?!

ImMoreBetter
09-30-2007, 07:41 AM
-Faster corsair.

-An FW190 that doesn't complain so much at low speed.

-New engine in the Ki-61.

-Faster Bf110.

VW-IceFire
09-30-2007, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
if you could take one ww2 plane and edit it what would you do to it?

i have a couple of ideas.

add 2 additional heavy machine guns to the Oscar II. Or replace the machineguns with 2 Cannons in the nose.

- remove the machine guns on the Zero and add more Cannon ammo

- add more bomb racks to the Me262
its got the power to carry way for payload than the current 2 SC250
i think it can eaily carry 2 SC500

- try to move the engine of the P39 more forward to avoid the deadly flatspin?
but i guess thats impassilbe as that would require a whole new design

- put back 2 cannons on the me109F-G and K
just like on the E-Model
The Zero's cannon ammo was limited for most of the war by having ammo drums that held the ammo and then later they (like the Spitfire) were able to use belting which greatly increased the ammo supply. The A6M5 series has lots of cannon ammo.

Apparently with the Oscar with 20mm cannons were tried and didn't work so well owing to structural problems. The Oscar was of really light construction and I think they had problems with the recoil from the cannons.

Don't know about the 262...that'd be nice to have extra capacity for bombing.

The engine was located in the P-39 partially because of the cannon up front takes up most of the space. So if you move the engine forward the 37mm cannon would have to go too. The P-63 is the redesign and is much more "right" for having the weight balanced properly.

Not sure about the cannons on the 109...the F and early G models were much more streamlined by taking the cannons out of the wings and putting a single more powerful cannon in the nose. Gunpods are still an option http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

general_kalle
09-30-2007, 09:26 AM
HEY!!! i asked you to come with suggestions, not kill of mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

but well i see what you mean and i thought it would be so in most cases
but it would still be cool with a powerful oscar

i know the Me262 is best used as fighter but a bomberversion with additinal racks wouldn't be bad

especially because it has the potential as a fast Jabo
for the P39 a nose,engine and then only 2 20mm cannons in the wing would be cool

oh and icefire
gunpods are powerful ya
but whats the point with flying so slow and so heavy that you cant get on the tail of anybody?
they SUCK
and its a pitty

DooDaH2007
09-30-2007, 09:35 AM
I would redesign the spitfire cockpit for better view...

DKoor
09-30-2007, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
add 2 additional heavy machine guns to the Oscar II. Or replace the machineguns with 2 Cannons in the nose. I agree. Oscar was the premium ww2 peashooter - it was quite laughable situation, on one hand you have peashooter and on the other one of the most sturdy ww2 aircraft.
One cannon would be better instead of two 7,62s.
I know it brings other problems to light, like if it jams, your combat capabilities are paralyzed.....
But taking the neat alternatives, this doesn't sound all that bad.

ElAurens
09-30-2007, 11:15 AM
Thank goodness none of this nonsense can be done in the IL2 series.

It would end up as dead as CFS.

F22-NightHawk
09-30-2007, 12:07 PM
id put a griffon engine in a P51,and give it the cannons that the spitfire has,wit 108 gun pods.then,to finish off,i give it counter rotating props http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-30-2007, 12:10 PM
Just a Westland Whirlwind. Is it too much to ask?

VF-17_Jolly
09-30-2007, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by F22-NightHawk:
id put a griffon engine in a P51,and give it the cannons that the spitfire has,wit 108 gun pods.then,to finish off,i give it counter rotating props http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Done that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Martin-Baker_M.B.5_prototype.jpg

mortoma
09-30-2007, 02:35 PM
Jet powered I-153 with twin Vya-23 cannons? Spitfire V with the speed of a Mk. XIV??

Jaws2002
09-30-2007, 03:09 PM
First I'd do this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3CFA%3EJaws/Ihadadream9.jpg

install the BMW-801 engine in the IAR-80c. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
maybe change the supercharger with the one planed for BMW-802.(three stage supercharger) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Get the 18 cylinder BMW-802 engine ready and install it in the FW-190.(2600HP and awesome high altitude performance). Increase the wingspan a bit as well, to improve high altitude performance and bring the wing loading down to A1-A3 standards.

Retire all the 109's in 1943 and replace them with the BMW-802 powered 190's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Install four cannons in the pony and jug.


I really hate them for not trying harder to get that FW-190 engine in the IAR-80c. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3CFA%3EJaws/Ihadadream9.jpg

Choctaw111
09-30-2007, 06:08 PM
For the P38 replace the engines with Griffons, then put two 20mm cannon in the nose and FILL all available space with ammo. Then place two 37mm cannon in the wing roots with a generous supply of ammo as well. To top it all off some work would need to be done on the elevator system for increased high speed responsiveness. An engineers nightmare but I think it could work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rinreiber
09-30-2007, 06:15 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Thx for this Thread! You made my Day! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Grand_Armee
09-30-2007, 06:29 PM
The main reason you cannot increase the bombload of the me-262 was structural weakness of the forward landing gear leg. It could be broken simply by oversteering it with normal combat weight.

general_kalle
10-01-2007, 04:21 AM
Thx for this Thread! You made my Day!


at least somebody Apreciate it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
theres some nice ideas out there.

what about a an il2 with 2 45mm cannons.
just like the Yak9K

or bomb racks on the I250 or Mig9 Jet
would be cool with a USSR jet fighter-bomber aswell

Col._King
10-01-2007, 05:08 AM
~S~

Not to go too far in this crazy thing....but for me (referring to IL2Sim), a more realistic damage model for the P-38 (tail !!!) would be great....

ploughman
10-01-2007, 05:12 AM
Bomb bay for the Ar-234.

Stick a very large Griffin engine on the front of a Mk VIII Spitfire, maybe add another prop to the spinner.

BSS_CUDA
10-01-2007, 05:28 AM
for the 38, I'd remove the 4,50's and replace them with 4,20's for a total of 5, 20mm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif and fix the IL2 FM and DM which are both hosed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

general_kalle
10-01-2007, 11:33 AM
with nose mounted 20mm cannons you only need 3.
not 5
thats crazy

Daiichidoku
10-01-2007, 11:47 AM
i would add comressibility effects for ALL planes in sim, so i can sit back and watch the flood of tears begin

oh, and switch the engines on the P 47 for the I-185