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jugent
01-17-2006, 04:03 PM
I have been flying some groundattacks on Spitvs109 and I can survive better in a spit than in an 190 or 109. I flew 5+ sorties in a spit and one in a 109 and one in a 190, this is of course to few to draw a certain conclusion.
I damaged much more in the spit than in the blue kites.
It was vehicle-colums in both cases and I attacked AAA on a blue base.

It seems as the spit dont loose so much speed and power when hit.
Anybody got similar or divergent experiences?

jugent
01-17-2006, 04:03 PM
I have been flying some groundattacks on Spitvs109 and I can survive better in a spit than in an 190 or 109. I flew 5+ sorties in a spit and one in a 109 and one in a 190, this is of course to few to draw a certain conclusion.
I damaged much more in the spit than in the blue kites.
It was vehicle-colums in both cases and I attacked AAA on a blue base.

It seems as the spit dont loose so much speed and power when hit.
Anybody got similar or divergent experiences?

FritzGryphon
01-17-2006, 04:11 PM
First off, you'd proably want to increase you sample size and control the variables better before you draw conculsions.

I don't think it's correct that Spitfire would survive any more hits from ground fire than 190 or FW. The spitfire engine, wings, tail, etc surivive fewer hits compared to the others. The FW-190, particularly more.

The cross section is also larger for Spitfire than 109 or FW-190, especially from the top (bottom), due to it's large wings. Of the three, it'd be mostly likely to be hit.

In particular, the Merlin engine has a habit of burning, or in the case of light machine gun hits, the CSP will fail. This more than anything makes it poorly suited to ground attack. the best, FW-190, for it's small shape and durability.

I would agree that, when the wings are damaged, the Spitfire does retain most of it's manueveability. The FW-190 does not.

jugent
01-17-2006, 04:40 PM
Are you taking this facts from real life and not from sim?

rnzoli
01-18-2006, 03:00 AM
When flying the same DF missions, sometimes AAA lights up my Zero in no time, can't even approach the airport to 'suppress' it ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). But in an another case, I had to dogfight 2 enemy planes above the airport, was hit about a dozen times by AAA and in a totally unbeliveable outcome, I managed to escape and land on my carrier.

I was also amazed when an enemy plane landed on the base - was almost shredded to pieces, but he made it alive, he actually RTB'd there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

So my conclusion is that AAA effectiveness is also influenced by the pilot's effectiveness to perform AAA 'gun defense' manouvers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
01-18-2006, 05:18 AM
Agreed there. If you follow tactics on attacking ground targets, specifically airfields with heavy AA defence, despite the clouds not offering protection you'll survive allot better.

Heavily defended aifields were attacked by the RAF in 44/45 in line abreast formation at 400mph from treetop height after diving. They would make one pass, shoot, weave and head for the clouds. Rarely did they ever make a second pass. That was suicide.

Brain32
01-18-2006, 05:31 AM
OK, here's my story, yesterday, WC, I took an FWA9, loaded with 100% fuel. Target was about 25Km from the base, aproaching the target flak shell exploaded near me, result "Fuel leak". What do you think did I made it to the base with my engine runing? Ofcourse I didn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
That fuel leak thing is overexaggerated, and makes FW190 extremely sensitive to damage.

carguy_
01-18-2006, 05:47 AM
FW190F8 - say no more.

WOLFMondo
01-18-2006, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
OK, here's my story, yesterday, WC, I took an FWA9, loaded with 100% fuel. Target was about 25Km from the base, aproaching the target flak shell exploaded near me, result "Fuel leak". What do you think did I made it to the base with my engine runing? Ofcourse I didn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
That fuel leak thing is overexaggerated, and makes FW190 extremely sensitive to damage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The brown fuel leak is back with the latest patch. Really rather annoying. I think other a/c did or do suffer from it but its certainly the achilies heal of the FW190 in this sim.