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Louisescratches
12-28-2006, 09:10 AM
After flying the Ki-27(my new favorite) for a while I suddenly realised it does not catch fire.It does not even smoke much!It can explode,does leak fuel and smokes lightly.No fire.Fire and lack of pilot protection made the Ki-43 so challenging!

Heliopause
12-28-2006, 09:46 AM
Which weapon is used against it?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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I was back over the channel when I saw another Hurricane coming from Calais, trailing white smoke, obviously in a bad way.
I flew up alongside him and escorted him all the way to England and waved goodbye.
A few weeks later the same thing happened to me.
That would never have happened in Russia - never". (Erich Rudorffer - 109 pilot)

XyZspineZyX
12-28-2006, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Louisescratches:
After flying the Ki-27(my new favorite) for a while I suddenly realised it does not catch fire.It does not even smoke much!It can explode,does leak fuel and smokes lightly.No fire.Fire and lack of pilot protection made the Ki-43 so challenging!

I have torched Ki-27s with the H81A-2 several times- 4 .30s and two .50s are not top of the line armament, but it does the job

I agree that it is uncommon to see it on fire, but it does burn, be sure<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
12-28-2006, 09:58 AM
While I cannot claim to have been personally flambe-ed, I did notice some AI Ki-27 Otsus grilling nicely in several recent QMB encounters. I have had the honor of stripping my wings several times in pell mell dives until I learned that stratagem is a definite no go.

leitmotiv
12-28-2006, 10:27 AM
Louisescratches is not the only one encountering this phenom---see:

http://forums.<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">ubi[/b].com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/1011085815 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/1011085815)

XyZspineZyX
12-28-2006, 10:28 AM
they burn...but only when hit in the engine in my experience

Where's the fuel tanks in a Ki-27? If they are in the fuselage behind the engine, well that's the story...my reference is at home http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
12-28-2006, 11:28 AM
I just allowed an I-153 to sit on my Ki-27 Otsu's tail and fire away with its four machine guns. Strangely, he didn't kill me outright, and it took about 30 seconds or more for him to shred the Ki (windscreen shot to blazes, instrument panel demolished, wings perforated), and, finally, combustion. Blew to bits and fell to earth in a fireball. Considering how fast the magnificent Sov light machine guns on the I-153 and I-16 Type 18 flambe-ed the A6M2 and Ki-43 in past IL-2 versions, 30 seconds or more seemed excessive treatment to bring about the desired eruption, and I was a perfect, steady, non-evading target.

horseback
12-28-2006, 12:09 PM
After checking my ancient copy of Green & Swanborough's Japanese Army Fighters Pt 2, in the exploded drawing, the Nate has a main fuel tank in the fuselage between the engine and the cockpit, and two smaller fuel tanks at the root of each wing (a total of 5 tanks).

Wingroot strikes should get you some flames, because all the tanks were unprotected.

On the other hand, I don't recall in any of my copious readings on the Flying Tigers and their successors that the Nate was as likely to burst into flames as the Oscar (bearing in mind that they had little if any contact with the Navy Zero). It may be that because the Nate was so lightly constructed, the pilot was most often killed pretty quickly by strikes through the rear fuselage.

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