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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:22 AM
Since i use my keyboard for rudder...i'd like to know proper rudder use techniques? When i try to use rudder it dips the wing and throws me out of control. I assume this is because my keyboard is a digital input instead of analog and it's telling the game...it's 'on' instead of differing degrees of 'on'. Any help?

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:22 AM
Since i use my keyboard for rudder...i'd like to know proper rudder use techniques? When i try to use rudder it dips the wing and throws me out of control. I assume this is because my keyboard is a digital input instead of analog and it's telling the game...it's 'on' instead of differing degrees of 'on'. Any help?

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:01 AM
To vary the amount of rudder I tap the key repeatedly rather than hold it down. The more rudder I want, the faster I tap the rudder key. It takes some getting used to, but somehow I prefer the kbd to rudder pedals.

You will get the wing dip with any amount of rudder input, and you need to use aileron to counter it.



Message Edited on 09/26/0310:07PM by StG77_Fennec

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:15 AM
Hmmmmmm proper rudder use....get a stick with a twist rudder or a rocker rudder or some pedals. You can fly this sim with a keyboard but you really take away from the joy by doing so.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:26 AM
I have a stick with rudder twist handle...but it applies rudder when i dont want it to, muckin up my aim. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:46 AM
.i was going to write a long post here for you .but iv decided to tell you to learn your plane learn your equipment.learn to fly. learn the rudiments of flight dynamics!!!!!!..practice x 10..........good luck

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 06:19 AM
Blade_X_ wrote:
- I have a stick with rudder twist handle...but it
- applies rudder when i dont want it to, muckin up my
- aim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Get an X45........

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 06:46 AM
If it's a Logitech 3D stick, make sure you have the latest logitech software. They fixed a centering issue with IL2 in one of their releases.

Also, in "Hardware Setup" under the "Input" section where you adjust your stick properties. You can use a liitle Dead Band to smooth out the center or add a little Filtering (Delay) for a twitchy axis.

I added some filtering, 5 I think, to my X45 rudder input. It helped to make the plane not jerk when applying little rudder.

The higher the Dead Band setting, the more you have to move the actual stick to get a response for the axis you are pushing. Also, the sliders for the Yaw (Rudder) axis can be adjusted to lower how much the "in-game" stick moves when you move your joystick.

I start low on the first slider, like 10 and form a nice, smooth upwards curve towards the last slider and 100%. This has helped my shooting immensely. No more plane jerks when using rudder to aim. It's nice and smooth. HTH.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:27 PM
Bite the bullet and go to get yourself a decent pair of rudders ! This IS the feeling. 150 USD+

If you are not prepared to pay the money, get yourself a Saitek X45 (Joystick + Throttle (incl. "basic" rudder control). Excellent value for money 75-90 USD

If you do not know what to do with your parents' money and the porsche is already in the garage, buy a Cougar and a pair of rudders. This is THE feeling (of an empty bank account) 350-450 USD
Actually you need to buy two, to have enough spare parts...


You are not the only person I hear having aiming problems with the "Rudder on Stick" configuration.

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:47 PM
Blade_X_ wrote:
- I have a stick with rudder twist handle...but it
- applies rudder when i dont want it to, muckin up my
- aim. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
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I have also a stick with rudder twist handle. Try to set a big deadzone to make it work only at almost full twist. Then you can use your rudder withoout disturbing your aim. That's what I do and it works for me.



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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 02:08 PM
I had Mcrosoft sidewinder pro force feedback for 3 years. It's a very good stick and I got used to the twisting rudders, but then I wanted to have a bit more realism and buy rudder pedals. Unfortunately there wasn't pedals available to use with the joystick, so I bought Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner force feedback and CH pro rudder pedals. This wasn't exactly a cheap (240 $ together), but the equipments are superb. And I really like the hotas vs a joystick for a flight sim. The hotas cougar is propably the ultimate choice, but the price is terrible and I am not sure how much more realism it gives anyway for WWII sims. But talking about pedals, while it takes a little time to get used to the pedals after flying so long time with the joystick only, it is really much more fun.

I dont know about Saitek X45. Price is more or less the same, it looks fancier, but it does not have a force feedback. Anyway, I am really happy with my Afterburner.

Happy flying and get pedals!