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Goose_Green
02-04-2007, 04:13 AM
While browsing uboat.net I came upon a link regarding the shooting down of an airship - makes for some interesting reading.

Here is the link K74 (http://www.goldcoast-railroad.org/blimpsub.htm)

Celeon999
02-04-2007, 05:09 AM
Very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

One of those FUJI-FILM blimbs is cruising over Celeon's house every summer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Hmmmmm......

*Celeon types the words flak gun into ebay* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Brand_Cargolifter_Halle_innen_Uebungsluftschiff.jp g

Goose_Green
02-04-2007, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:

Hmmmmm......

*Celeon types the words flak gun into ebay* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

And what was the result? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Realjambo
02-04-2007, 05:55 AM
Now THAT's a Hangar! It huge! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Celeon999
02-04-2007, 06:26 AM
They said that they do not sell Flak Guns to crazy people like me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


@ RJ

Thats the Aerium-Cargolifter Zeppelin hall in Brandenburg.

Its the biggest hangar in the world. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Brand_Cargolifter_Halle.jpg/800px-Brand_Cargolifter_Halle.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/298/cargoliftermt1.jpg

The small thingys in the down left are humans http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

It was build for the construction of the biggest Zeppelin ever. The Cargolifter CL-160. (160 stands for being able to carry 160 tons)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Brand_Cargolifter_Halle_innen.jpg/405px-Brand_Cargolifter_Halle_innen.jpg


But it came different... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargolifter_AG)


Today it is the largest artifical "Tropical Paradise" in the world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Tropical Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerium)

Goose_Green
02-04-2007, 07:13 AM
Awesome size - especially seing some sort of scale. Is this bigger (height wise) than NASA's VAB in Florida?

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/9214/05pd0607sx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Celeon999
02-04-2007, 07:25 AM
No. The Nasa building is 160 meters tall and the Aerium only 107 meters.

But it has 5.5 million m³ of space while the Nasa building has only 3.6 million m³


By the way :

Cargolifter is back. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

They refounded themselves in September 2005 and still want to build the CL-160 as the ultimate alternative to heavy load street transports. (This time without the cheaters and con guys which are still on the run with the millions)

See the truck animation underneath it to get an idea of the size these people have planned for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

You need a whole wolfpack of u-boats to flak gun that baby down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


http://www.cargolifter.info/images/stories/clafricalep.jpg

Realjambo
02-04-2007, 09:05 AM
But it has 5.5 million m³ of space while the Nasa building has only 3.6 million m³


I'd hate to have to clean 'em! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
02-04-2007, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But it has 5.5 million m³ of space while the Nasa building has only 3.6 million m³


I'd hate to have to clean 'em! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


"Ehhhhm sir ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"Yes ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

"Do you belong to the cleaning personnel ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"Ehhhhmm....yes.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

"There is a spider web......up ...there" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

"Oh bugger" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Realjambo
02-04-2007, 10:54 AM
Thinking about it, I'm surprised there aren't more Airships being used for transport and hauling cargo, they must be fairly ecological albeit cumbersome and slow?

Celeon999
02-04-2007, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
Thinking about it, I'm surprised there aren't more Airships being used for transport and hauling cargo, they must be fairly ecological albeit cumbersome and slow?

I think their biggest problem is the weather. Airships cant operate in unfavorably conditions.

On the other hand : Compared to street transports....the airship transport would be fast as a lighting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And much cheaper too.

For example the segment of the HMS Ambush would have reached its destination in no time with no need to close any street, cause any traffic, take a long detour because the streets arent broad enough on the direct way etc. ...


Heavy load street transports are a logistical horror and cost a lot of money. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And bridges are an absolutely no-go for them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So even if the destination is for instance just 80 kilomters away.. the only possible route can often be hundreds of kilometers long. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2001/ambushbow1bm.jpg

GoldenEagle8
02-04-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But it has 5.5 million m³ of space while the Nasa building has only 3.6 million m³


I'd hate to have to clean 'em! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


"Ehhhhm sir ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"Yes ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

"Do you belong to the cleaning personnel ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"Ehhhhmm....yes.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

"There is a spider web......up ...there" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

"Oh bugger" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


HAHAHAHAHAHA! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

PS: kind of irrelevent, but here is footage of the Hindenburg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAqiXWlXOhg)

turnip_tick
02-04-2007, 03:56 PM
"I think their biggest problem is the weather. Airships cant operate in unfavorably conditions.

On the other hand : Compared to street transports....the airship transport would be fast as a lighting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And much cheaper too.

For example the segment of the HMS Ambush would have reached its destination in no time with no need to close any street, cause any traffic, take a long detour because the streets arent broad enough on the direct way etc. ...


Heavy load street transports are a logistical horror and cost a lot of money. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And bridges are an absolutely no-go for them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So even if the destination is for instance just 80 kilomters away.. the only possible route can often be hundreds of kilometers long. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif "

quoted from C999 but i some how messed it up. imagine that

However, an airship will need either an airfield or a very large open landing area to safely operate. Traffic may still be a problem in certain areas as there would be air space restrictions in place. they would have to stay clear of class B airspace for certain and C and D would pose problems as well. So when they do get roughly where they need to be, that would be some miles away from the final destination, you still need to truck it in the rest of the way forcing them to have to deal with power lines, tight turns, low bridges and car traffic. So I guess what I'm saying is that the route might be shorter but the logistics of moving outsized cargo three times, once by truck from manufature r to air field, once one the airship cross country and finally once more by truck. nightmare i tell ya. Each time something that size is moved there is some risk of damage or personal injury.

TheRealPotoroo
02-05-2007, 05:31 PM
I would so love to drive that transporter on the freeway in peak hour.

"Traffic? What traffic?"

Celeon999
02-06-2007, 02:33 AM
Here is an article from aerospace-technology.com about the CL-160

Article (http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/cargolifter/)

It would not need airfields at the starting point nor at its destination becuase it does not need to land to grab its cargo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Normal airports could be used for refueling and maintenance and the necessary equipment does not need to be airport inventory and does not even need additional buildings. Its mobile and can be set up on any open field. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And it does not interfere with the normal air traffic as the air traffic routes are much higher. It only interferes with the height helicopter routes are in , which poses no real problem. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Power lines ? Just fly over them and youre still not in the air traffic routes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


The refounded Cargolifter company wants to build smaller airships to proof that the concept works and gain the necessary air-licenses. They hope to earn enough money one day to build the CL-160 for world-wide logistical service and the real heavy stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bockholt
02-08-2007, 04:52 AM
Ottokar Prohaska shot down an Italian airship in WW1, which he claimed was a unique feat. there again, it was in a novel...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sailor-Austria-Biggins-Prohaska...9855?ie=UTF8&s=books (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sailor-Austria-Biggins-Prohaska-Novels/dp/159013107X/sr=1-1/qid=1170935443/ref=sr_1_1/202-1129948-1799855?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Bockholt
02-09-2007, 04:18 AM
There was also the occasion when a zeppelin (L 23) captured a ship. This was April 23 1917, the Norwegian blockade-runner Royal being boarded & taken as a prize off the coast of Denmark:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7802/l23fz6.jpg

Modesty forbids me to name the K/L who achieved this unique, never-to-be-repeated feat from the annals of warfare.

Messervy
02-09-2007, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by Bockholt:
Modesty forbids me to name the K/L who achieved this unique, never-to-be-repeated feat from the annals of warfare.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ottoramsaig
02-09-2007, 06:12 AM
As some of you know I work at the Naval Air Engineering Station at Lakehurst, NJ. The Hindenburg memorial is a sad place consisting of a buch of white faded stones anhcor chains and weathered plaque with a barely readable inscription. You can't see it now for it is buried in weeds. The WWI area Hangers are stilll maintained to their original glory most of all Hanger 1 the home of the large airships. This place is steeped in history concerning the airship war against the U-Boat. I actually housed 28 M1 Abrams tanks parked 18 feet apart in a 1/4 of the space in Hanger 6. This should give an idea of how massive they are. Total Wood construction at 182 feet tall.

Celeon999
02-09-2007, 06:13 AM
Whatever you do, do not fill hydrogen into airships in order to save money http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Special news report about the Hindenburg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V5KXgFLia4)

And here is the live commentary which made history

Radio reporter live report at Lakehurst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54rqDh2mWA&mode=related&search=)

Bockholt
02-09-2007, 12:47 PM
The humanity, the humanity...

USA would not sell safer helium to nazi Germany. There is an interesting moral dilemma here when you consider how long it took said USA to join in war against same nazi Germany...