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P.FunkAdelic
08-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Well I'm finally ready to real IL-2 play. Yesterday I picked up a used x-52 off craigslist for $50 and found a hard copy of IL-2 1946.

Now I'm not a total greenhorn. I play realism games all the time. I play 100% realism with Grey Wolves mod with Silent Hunter 3 which means doing hard math on target solutions for sinking ships. As you can imagine that takes a lot of mental concentration to deal with moving targets (spread shots) escorts trying to sink you, your own course and that bloody math. I figure CEM can't be too much harder.

So what I'm asking for is advise on which plane to fly at first (I've read that the P-40 or the Hurricane are both good) as well as how to calibrate my x-52. I've read that lots of people have used third party progs combined with putting the in game settings at all 100 due to high sensitivity.

Also is the M4T config guide the only one on how to set up the absolutely perfect visual settings? I have a monster rig I've built recently so I'm certain that if Crysis all on high runs at great FPS then IL-2 at max everything should also run without a hitch.

I know there are links galore but sometimes its just overwhelming. I can't wait.

Cheers guys.

Stingray333
08-26-2008, 08:02 PM
yo P.FunkAdelic, do you happen to be in Vancouver? There was an X-52 on craigslist I was thinking of grabbing. The learning curve can be a little steep for IL-2, but stick with it! It's awesome!

As for configs.. I don't use anything but the saitek SST programming software and IL2. I would recommend learning how to map keyboard strokes to the various buttons on the X-52 with the saitek software. I have three modes: one for aerobatic flying, one for landing, and one for combat. I set the slider levels in the hardware setup of IL-2 to get them where I like, there are a lot of ways to set these levels up and some use an external program such as IL2 Joy Control, but I don't know much about them, and I'll let others inform you more about them.

As for planes to fly at first? Everyone will have their recommendations. Mine would be the BF-109 series of plane (the G6-late variety is my favorite, but try them all), or the Japanese Zero planes, maybe the A6M5. The BF-109 is good for beginners because it is relatively forgiving, good armament, good all around performance. It does nothing particular well, but at the same time does nothing particularly poorly, and in the right hands it is absolutely deadly. The A6M5 is similar, except it tends to be a little weaker in terms of its ability to take damage, and can turn on a dime.

The BF-109 has automatic prop pitch, and mixture control so it eliminates that part of flying, makes it a little easier to the start as there is less to do.

I recommend you read the "Nuggets Guide to Getting off the Ground" which is stickied in the threads, and there is also Viper's tutorial on Complex Engine Management which is invaluable.

Aside from that, stay around the forum and read the threads, read the docs and knowledge base over at Mission 4 Today, and start playing!

If you don't already have it, Track IR (or a webcam using FreeTrack) is, in many peoples opinion, absolutely essential. It lets you look around by moving your head. I don't think I could fly a flight simulator without it now.

Stingray

WTE_Galway
08-26-2008, 08:51 PM
For starters ...

If you are playing online ... one massive bit of advice - Join a good active local squadron as soon as possible

If offline, I usually recommend the 109 JABO campaign for Army Group Centre as a good all round fun starter campaign to get you into the swing of things.

Note that realistic is a misnomer as "a game is a game" ... the "realistic" or "full switch" settings are just harder with more "immersion" - ie. it feels more realistic. Many people will argue that features like aircraft ID icons are actually more "realistic" as they make up for poor screen resolution.

I would point out that by far the best way of getting immersion (and improving SA and avoiding constant CFIT at low level as a bonus) is get trackIR.

As far as realism goes there are a number of things occur when you select realistic. Aside from obvious stuff like CEM and limited ammo, fuel and a proper flight model you also ...

- lose the icons on enemy aircraft
- lose the map path and tracking icons on the map

Many people prefer to leave these options turned on.

If you do fly "full switch" (which I personally prefer) you may as well go full hog and turn off the speedbar and use cockpit gauges. You will still need to toggle the heading off.

In addition you should look into turning off the HUD (text on the lower right with messages about throttle setting, overheat etc) and the chat bar across the top. With a bit of effort you can turn off almost all the text in game.

Boosher
08-26-2008, 10:09 PM
I recommend you start flying around, practicing take-offs, etc... in the A6M2-21. It's a very forgiving aircraft that is very good for its time. It handles well, gives you leeway on landings and maneuvers, and allows you to transition more easily to the more complex planes. Others I would recommend are the Hawker Hurricane models, the SBD-5, the IL-2, and the P-40.

M_Gunz
08-27-2008, 06:32 AM
While you're remapping keys to your HOTAS also remap what's left to good and easy positions
on your keyboard. This sim uses a lot of control options, about like a modern jet or helo sim.

Ritter_Cuda
08-27-2008, 07:36 AM
this is a flight school not a squad. there whole point is to teach basic flying from there you can do much more
http://www.joint-ops.com/

Zoom2136
08-27-2008, 08:02 AM
To make the most of iL2 you need:

TRACK IR - This is a little gizmo that tracks your head movement. Turn your head slightly to the right and your pilot looks to the right... It helps a lot with situation awareness (SA).

RUDDER PEDALS - Although you have a twist rudder on your X-52, rudder pedals are just awesome. They make everything easier (shooting, coordinating turns, etc.).

TEAMSPEEK - Communication program (voice comms).

Quick tips...

When taking off.. apply power slowly to reduce the effect of torque.

When landing... reduce your airspeed to about 200kph/120mph (about 30-40% throttle on most plane) drop landing flaps and lower landing gear. Keeping your plane level play with throttle to control your rate of decent... increasing throttle increases your altitude (more lift is created) and vice versa. You should "stall" your plane on the runway... and not fly it in... You will realise that you have stalled your plane when you run out of elevator.... meaning that pulling the nose up will not slow your decent...

Practice taking off and landing offline for a couple of hours and then jump in online...

I would go full real to start with in order to prevent you from getting bad habits. I know I had a hard time transiting from arcade type servers to full real one...

Try Spits vs 109s you will find many experienced guys willing to help you out.

Plane Types

Choose one plane you like and stick to it to start. It can be anything just one you really like. I mostly fly Spits... its just a nice plane...

Experiment with it... dive it to see at what speed it break up... Try turning at different speeds to see the impact of speed on turning performance... etc...

STICK SETUP

If I remember it correctly in the control setting page of Il2 you will find I think 10 sliders... a setting of 100 means that the game is recognising 100% of your stick input for the given position... so the lower the slider setting the more stick movement you need to achieve the same amount of control movement.

For plane that are very sensitive (i.e. Spits) you can had filtering to make it a bit more sluggish...

Thats about it.. have fun

P.FunkAdelic
08-27-2008, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Stingray333:
yo P.FunkAdelic, do you happen to be in Vancouver? There was an X-52 on craigslist I was thinking of grabbing.
Yea... that was me. I was doing my daily check for Saitek sticks and saw an x-52 for $50... OMG! Copy email, copy email! SEND SEND!

Thanks for the advice. I'm already learning not to push 100% all the time. Take off seems hard at first but really you just have to not be too aggressive with the throttle and pay attention to the rudder. I've basically decided to play the P-40 as my main bird for the time being since its a very nice plane to fly and the instruments are well laid out for me to learn from.

I already have a plan for my gear. I know I will want (if I get hooked enough) to get a rudder pedals but I also have plan to build a freetrack system soon as I can track down some electronics stuff.

I might try joint ops. Obviously that involves planning given I'd be signing up for a month and some from now. :P Must be popular.

I'm very interested in CEM. I always like that kind of geeky detail so I figure I'll do well at that, even if it takes a while to get used to changing superchargers at the right altitude and adjusting prop pitch and saying on top of RPMs. I also dig the norden sight.

Thanks for the tips. I'll give my HOTAS a full set up and let you guys know how it goes.

Cheers

M_Gunz
08-27-2008, 02:35 PM
You don't have to buy TIR to do head tracking. That money can go to other gear.

Cachya uses a webcam and is free. (http://www.cachya.com/esight/overview.php)

You don't even need to have IR lights on the hat, see the Getting Started page.

There's people here who posted on this, it does work for IL2.

P.FunkAdelic
08-27-2008, 03:43 PM
I have a problem now. My X52 profiles don't work. I got the joystick itself working in game by setting the keys directly but when I try it in the profiles it won't work. I press a button and it doesn't do anything even though I know I loaded the profile correctly.

My searches haven't turned up anything relevant.

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-27-2008, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
I have a problem now. My X52 profiles don't work. I got the joystick itself working in game by setting the keys directly but when I try it in the profiles it won't work. I press a button and it doesn't do anything even though I know I loaded the profile correctly.

My searches haven't turned up anything relevant.

Are you using pre-made profiles or did you make one yourself? If you made it yourself did you update the drivers and software since then?

P.FunkAdelic
08-27-2008, 03:54 PM
No I didn't update anything since I installed the drivers and software today and they are the latest ones as far as I know.

And the profiles are hand made.

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-27-2008, 04:07 PM
Hmm, so you made a profile, assigned some keyboard keys to button presses, saved the profile, activated the profile on the tray icon and then what did you do? Try them in game or did you go to the control screen and try to assign the keypresses? Load your profile and then open notepad and try the keys there and see if the letters type.

P.FunkAdelic
08-28-2008, 12:17 AM
I think I've figured out why it isn't working.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1236/saitekdriverversionsji5.jpg

I guess I wasn't very careful. But its weird cause I downloaded both from the website. I'll try and see if I can get the newer drivers.

P.FunkAdelic
08-28-2008, 01:57 AM
Heh, actually I figured it out. I hadn't allowed some drivers to install properly through windows update that have to do with keyboard and mouse hotkeys.

Now my profiles are working beautifully and I'm practicing landing a P-40M.

Cheers guys.

Stingray333
08-28-2008, 06:49 AM
yo P.Funk, also be aware that you need to always plug your X-52 into the same USB port, or else the driver will need to be re-installed. I found this out the hard way, scratching my head trying to figure out why I couldn't get my stick working

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-28-2008, 11:45 AM
Ok, that makes sense. I try to avoid getting drivers from windows update ever since they had an incident with saitek drivers. They updated the drivers on windows update before they were supposed to and the software was not out yet, a whole bunch of people had to uninstall thier drivers and software and go back to the cd drivers to fix it.

P.FunkAdelic
08-28-2008, 01:46 PM
Thats good to know. Glad I'm using a USB port I can commit to using. I had considered just plugging it into th front side usb just for the install and test. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Since I have someone's attention with experience with x52s can you tell me how I can make the rotaries and sliders less sensitive? I tried setting a band in IL2 manager but I don't know if it worked.

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-28-2008, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
Thats good to know. Glad I'm using a USB port I can commit to using. I had considered just plugging it into th front side usb just for the install and test. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Since I have someone's attention with experience with x52s can you tell me how I can make the rotaries and sliders less sensitive? I tried setting a band in IL2 manager but I don't know if it worked.

Download Il2stick or il2 joycontrol, those programs allow you to set the sensitivity of ALL curves not just pitch roll and yaw. That will allow you to adjust the trim rotaries. I prefer il2sticks but they are both good programs.