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TacticalYak3
09-27-2005, 11:03 AM
Been reading more threads lately about joysticks, and been thinking about adding to the immersion of my flight simming in the future. I think Vector Expansion will be part of that experience, not to mention (hopefully) an even better gaming rig.

But I was particularly curious what the experiences/opinions of other fellow MS Sidewinder 2 gamers. Sorry, MS Sidewinders only club. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

I have had mine for 3+ years now. Still works great. With reduced forces, I just love the added dimension that the force feedback provides. I also enjoy the convenience of the built-in rudder control.

Questions:

(a) If you still own a working MS stick, are you considering changing to a different stick/setup? And if so why?

(b) If you have switched from this particular stick, after a period of adjustment, are you happier with the new stick?

(c) And, lastly, what did you eventually purchase?

X-52 seems the closest with regards to replacing this stick (but no FF of course). Others love CH stick and pedals.

Again, before folks respond, just looking for those with MS Sidewinder experience, as this stick has a high degree of workmanship and durability. Man she's tough and accurate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

TS!

TacticalYak3
09-27-2005, 11:03 AM
Been reading more threads lately about joysticks, and been thinking about adding to the immersion of my flight simming in the future. I think Vector Expansion will be part of that experience, not to mention (hopefully) an even better gaming rig.

But I was particularly curious what the experiences/opinions of other fellow MS Sidewinder 2 gamers. Sorry, MS Sidewinders only club. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

I have had mine for 3+ years now. Still works great. With reduced forces, I just love the added dimension that the force feedback provides. I also enjoy the convenience of the built-in rudder control.

Questions:

(a) If you still own a working MS stick, are you considering changing to a different stick/setup? And if so why?

(b) If you have switched from this particular stick, after a period of adjustment, are you happier with the new stick?

(c) And, lastly, what did you eventually purchase?

X-52 seems the closest with regards to replacing this stick (but no FF of course). Others love CH stick and pedals.

Again, before folks respond, just looking for those with MS Sidewinder experience, as this stick has a high degree of workmanship and durability. Man she's tough and accurate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

TS!

NorrisMcWhirter
09-27-2005, 11:39 AM
a. Not at all. but one of the fire buttons is now a bit dodgy. I'd try to get another, if possible.
b. n/a
c. n/a

I had a Wingman 3D before and, contrary to what people say, it wasn't a bad stick. It isn't a patch on the MSFFB2, however.

I tried an X45 in the shop and didn't like it one bit. The rudder control was pants and it didn't have the right feel. I've heard bad stories about the X52, too.

So, I'll soldier on with what I have...

Ta,
Norris

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-27-2005, 12:56 PM
I used one of the first MSFFB sticks when they first came out in gameport flavor. i eventually upgraded to a MSFFB2 pro and loved it. I combined it with a CH Pro throttle and thought I had THE best setup. As available space changed (for the better) I decided to elaborate a bit and found that I didn't like the MS stick any other place than in my lap. Also, I'm a southpaw and wanted to get something that required less adaptation for me.

I built an Akers-Barnes cockpit (find plans here http://www.62ndfightingfalcons.asn.au/62ndff/projects/projects.htm ) and switched back to a CH Flight-stick Pro (fully ambidextrous), reversed the axis on my throttle and turned it upside down for right-handed use. CH pro pedals and TIR3 Pro round out my setup and I doubt I'll ever change...at least until something truly better/revolutionary comes out...like an ambidextrous CH FFB stick.

Any change in controllers usually comes with an acclimation period. But the light feel, precision, durability, customer support etc,... all add up to make an absolutely wonderful controller setup that can be used by righty's and leftys, big-handed or small-handed people alike.

I still have a few friends that swear by their MSFFB sticks, but I swear by mine...and they haven't used my rig yet.



TB

Messaschnitzel
09-27-2005, 05:07 PM
(A) Yes, I do still have a working MSFFB2 stick. I am now using a different stick since I upgraded my system to XP.

(B) Yes, I am happier with the new stick.

(C) I purchased a Thrustmaster Afterburner FFB stick. I like the throttle grip and button layout better on this one than the ones on the MSFFB stick. The one thing that I liked better on the MSFFB was the software interface. Very user friendly compared with the Thrustmaster software when setting up configurations with older games. Also, the durability is great. After lots of use, only one of the buttons developed trouble. To be fair, the Thrustmaster is well built, so only time will tell if it lasts as long as the MSFFB. The thing that I would suggest for Thrustmaster to improve upon is to add a couple more slider wheels to the grips. As far as FFB is concerned, I gots to feel whats going on or I will have the control equivalent of a gooney bird taking off and coming in for a landing. The FFB really helps with the immersion factor too. (for those of You who are old enough to remember, Walter Mitty could have used FFB when off on one of his daydreams!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

Lucius_Esox
09-27-2005, 05:08 PM
Have got a FF2 after having the FF1, which got stepped on. I'm dreading the day when this stick finally dies as some of the buttons are getting a little "iffy" now. BTW does anyone know if the buttons from the gameport version would work on mine?

Before this stick I had a CH fighterstick, which was a great accurate stick, but no FF. So in answer to your questions

A) Yes because mine is probably gonna die soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

B)N/A

C)N/A

EmbarkChief
09-27-2005, 06:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
(A) Yes, I do still have a working MSFFB2 stick. I am now using a different stick since I upgraded my system to XP.

(B) Yes, I am happier with the new stick.

(C) I purchased a Thrustmaster Afterburner FFB stick. I like the throttle grip and button layout better on this one than the ones on the MSFFB stick. The one thing that I liked better on the MSFFB was the software interface. Very user friendly compared with the Thrustmaster software when setting up configurations with older games. Also, the durability is great. After lots of use, only one of the buttons developed trouble. To be fair, the Thrustmaster is well built, so only time will tell if it lasts as long as the MSFFB. The thing that I would suggest for Thrustmaster to improve upon is to add a couple more slider wheels to the grips. As far as FFB is concerned, I gots to feel whats going on or I will have the control equivalent of a gooney bird taking off and coming in for a landing. The FFB really helps with the immersion factor too. (for those of You who are old enough to remember, Walter Mitty could have used FFB when off on one of his daydreams!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can use your MS stick and XP. IIRC you must have the stick installed before you run SP2.

JG27_Gundog
09-27-2005, 06:29 PM
I have a Cougar sitting on the shelf collecting dust.. I prefer the msfb2 for most flight sims.. I have 3 msfb2's currently. The last one I just picked up from a friend for $20.00 . It has about 2 hrs of use. Did I get a good buy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AFJ_rsm
09-27-2005, 06:47 PM
i've had my ms ffbpro since it originally came out (cant remember if it was late '97 or in 98)

Still use it all the time, no plans for changing until it finally dies on me (money being an issue here). It has become real messy-behaving around mid position (deadband) as there's a big area that doesnt get any return to center or ffb effects.

If i had mucho dinero i'd change it yeah. but it still works.

i guess my post didnt help you at all, so postcount +1 for me, and a lil smily face for you: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Messaschnitzel
09-27-2005, 07:01 PM
To EmbarkChief:

I did have my MSFFB stick installed before SP2.
Before and after installing SP2,I had problems with the FFB cutting in and out intermittently, and it annoyed me to no end. I asked around and found out what the problem possibly was that I had the XP upgrade for WIN98 instead of the complete XP package. So the upshot to all of this was that I wanted to get this flight sim rolling again so I took the easy way out and got another stick, and I am happy to say it is money well spent!

Bearcat99
09-27-2005, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Questions:

(a) If you still own a working MS stick, are you considering changing to a different stick/setup? And if so why?

I have a unique setup.. I use a MSFFB2/X-45/CH pedals combo... I have a spare FFB2 in my closet so I am not planning to change for some time.

(b) If you have switched from this particular stick, after a period of adjustment, are you happier with the new stick?

The X-45 works great as a combo stick in this sim.... the rudder rocker is a great switch.. I use it for flaps.

(c) And, lastly, what did you eventually purchase?

N/A

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TacticalYak3
09-27-2005, 07:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG27_Gundog:
I have a Cougar sitting on the shelf collecting dust.. I prefer the msfb2 for most flight sims.. I have 3 msfb2's currently. The last one I just picked up from a friend for $20.00 . It has about 2 hrs of use. Did I get a good buy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just not right - and YOU know it mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TacticalYak3
09-27-2005, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Questions:

(a) If you still own a working MS stick, are you considering changing to a different stick/setup? And if so why?

I have a unique setup.. I use a MSFFB2/X-45/CH pedals combo... I have a spare FFB2 in my closet so I am not planning to change for some time.

(b) If you have switched from this particular stick, after a period of adjustment, are you happier with the new stick?

The X-45 works great as a combo stick in this sim.... the rudder rocker is a great switch.. I use it for flaps.

(c) And, lastly, what did you eventually purchase?

N/A

</div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know of at least one other person with the exact same setup. Loves the stick and FFB, but enjoys the pedals and extra buttons on the X-45.

Any comments about the X-52? When my stick dies would it be a good choice, at least until I added pedals. Or is the CH Fighter stick better? Anyone?

96th_Nightshifter
09-27-2005, 07:46 PM
I have had my MSFF2 for about 5 years and it still works as good as when it came out of the box - it's well used, have used it since CFS1 and all through my CFS2 days and it's awesome.
Going to get a spare one off of e-bay just in case this one ever breaks.

Bearcat99
09-27-2005, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Questions:

(a) If you still own a working MS stick, are you considering changing to a different stick/setup? And if so why?

I have a unique setup.. I use a MSFFB2/X-45/CH pedals combo... I have a spare FFB2 in my closet so I am not planning to change for some time.

(b) If you have switched from this particular stick, after a period of adjustment, are you happier with the new stick?

The X-45 works great as a combo stick in this sim.... the rudder rocker is a great switch.. I use it for flaps.

(c) And, lastly, what did you eventually purchase?

N/A

</div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know of at least one other person with the exact same setup. Loves the stick and FFB, but enjoys the pedals and extra buttons on the X-45.

Any comments about the X-52? When my stick dies would it be a good choice, at least until I added pedals. Or is the CH Fighter stick better? Anyone? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are several people with this setup... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I have been pushing it for a while now. I hear the CH stuff is good.. I prefer the X-45 over the X-52 for my setup because of the rocker.... I dont need anpother twist handle stick.....

Sokol__1
09-27-2005, 08:22 PM
Eventualy i use a old MS FF PRO - gameporte version, work fine in MSFS2k4. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"... as some of the buttons are getting a little "iffy" now. BTW does anyone know if the buttons from the gameport version would work on mine?"

Buttons inside any joystick are the same ones microswitchs used in drawers of CDROM, for instance. If you have skill whit soldering iron, they are not reasons to consider his joystick dead.

Or considere this mod. Cougar have good buttons and Hats. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2218/msffcougar0cj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SP!

Sokol1

woofiedog
09-28-2005, 12:46 AM
Still have my trusty MS Sidewinder... works Great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Lucius_Esox
09-28-2005, 03:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Buttons inside any joystick are the same ones microswitchs used in drawers of CDROM, for instance. If you have skill whit soldering iron, they are not reasons to consider his joystick dead.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sokol__1 Thats good news m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That "old" stick wasn't very old before it brought the farm so the s/w inside of it are in a nearly new condition...

Anything I need to know in advance about taking my trusty old FF2 apart before I start?

Hmmm, might get the soldering iron out b4 4.2,, no excuses then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Good post Tacts!

Nutti
09-30-2005, 05:56 AM
I've had MSFF2 for three years now... Great stick but I've had some problems with its forces. I've tried to reduce force levels for Il-2 but it works with full forces only.

Could anyone tell how to set medium forces for this stick? My operating system is XP-Professional with all service packs.