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sinfulskiz
04-11-2011, 09:28 PM
I don't know if this really constitutes as a spoiler or not considering this may or may not even be of importance to the storyline.

After my second play through , I became extremely bored and as I've done in the past games, I began looking for things people may have not noticed.

In Assassins's Creed Brotherhood, I took the liberty of popping on some awesome head phones and really analyzing the voices and noises heard in the clusters, if you play them over and over in the "The Truth" section of the menu. Just continue playing clips.

To save you some time or to motivate you, this is what I came up with afte playing the clips over and over, and believe it or not, it's an entire discussion between a few people. It honestly sounds like a convo Ezio would have with some ladies, but then I heard a certain cluster mention "Twelve".

Enjoy:

Cluster 1
Woman 1: Are You Gonna Choose em' or Not.


Cluster 2
Woman 3: Kiss The Man Mrs. """"""""


Cluster 3
Woman 2: I Kiss(ed) The Funniest


Cluster 4
Man 1: Then It is Fine if you Choose Me


Cluster 5
Woman 2: You Don't Know What You're Talking About


Cluster 6
Woman 1: Seriously woman, He was Hot


Cluster7
Woman 3: Twelve, You alright with this sh*t?


Cluster 8
Woman 1: You Need to Ask? You're in Charge


Cluster 9
Woman 2: You Don't Know What You're Talking About


Cluster 10
Woman 3: It's Fine He Was Playing With You


Play them yourselves and see what you make of it. This project was inspired as I'm a big fan of ghosts shows where they get audio anomolies and try to decipher them by analyzing the audio clips over and over. Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rileypoole1234
04-12-2011, 04:47 PM
Hmmm. Very interesting. I don't see any significance to these, but I'm a fan of Ghost shows aswell so i'm gonna check these out and see if I hear anything different. Are you new to the forums by the way? I don't think ive ever seen you here before. If you are, Welcome to the Forums chap!


Cheers mate

oricle
04-12-2011, 08:25 PM
The subject matter definitely is something ezio and some ladies would talk about but the speech sounds too modern.

Dom000Dom
04-13-2011, 06:23 AM
Wouldn't it be more likely if it was between subject 16 and some lady instead? I mean he did plant those cluster there didn't he?

But I cant have a listen to the audio since my only headphones are the crappy apple ones......=\

ChaosxNetwork
04-13-2011, 06:40 AM
Maybe it is between 16 and Lucy, which could contribute to why she is very defensive when Desmond makes remarks about 16's blood on his bedroom wall.

zerocooll21
08-01-2011, 02:07 PM
Interesting, nice find.

Calvarok
08-01-2011, 04:38 PM
Notice they said TWELVE, you alright with this sh**. Subject 12 was the woman who was pregnant when using the animus. I think 16 hacked into parts of the animus that held other subject's session data. Obviously weird stuff were happening with 12, which it why she wasn't actually reliving memories in the data.

AdmiralPerry
08-01-2011, 05:04 PM
Actually, that mention of 12 is completely new. Subject 15 was the one who was pregnant while in the Animus. I'll have to take a listen later--I thought I heard something in there, but I just wrote it off as Animus static!

Calvarok
08-01-2011, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by AdmiralPerry:
Actually, that mention of 12 is completely new. Subject 15 was the one who was pregnant while in the Animus. I'll have to take a listen later--I thought I heard something in there, but I just wrote it off as Animus static!
OHHH, ok, sorry. I thought it was 12. Hmm, then this makes no sense. : P

Subject_4
08-02-2011, 01:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD4usfK5d0
In this video at 1:30 the person dials a phone number to contact Abstergo. That phone number is 665-7139

Subject 4

Cookiekiller6
08-02-2011, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD4usfK5d0
In this video at 1:30 the person dials a phone number to contact Abstergo. That phone number is 665-7139

Subject 4

How do you know that? By the sounds?
Someone needs to call that number.

LightRey
08-02-2011, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD4usfK5d0
In this video at 1:30 the person dials a phone number to contact Abstergo. That phone number is 665-7139

Subject 4
you sure it's not 555-7139?
I don't think they're allowed to use any other kinds of numbers.

ThaWhistle
08-02-2011, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD4usfK5d0
In this video at 1:30 the person dials a phone number to contact Abstergo. That phone number is 665-7139

Subject 4
you sure it's not 555-7139?
I don't think they're allowed to use any other kinds of numbers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

technically thats only true for 555-0100 through 555-0199, all other 555 numbers can be assigned, so even a 7139 number, if it was a 555 number, could be real

Subject_4
08-02-2011, 11:22 AM
Yes, I am sure.

Subject 4

LightRey
08-02-2011, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD4usfK5d0
In this video at 1:30 the person dials a phone number to contact Abstergo. That phone number is 665-7139

Subject 4
you sure it's not 555-7139?
I don't think they're allowed to use any other kinds of numbers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

technically thats only true for 555-0100 through 555-0199, all other 555 numbers can be assigned, so even a 7139 number, if it was a 555 number, could be real </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh ok. Thx for clarifying. so... anybody up for trying to dial that phone number?

breedlove94
08-02-2011, 02:10 PM
No, i'm afraid if i call it I'll get abducted by Abstergo like that guy who called tech support in the Truth puzzle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 02:17 PM
Use a local payphone and if the templars come, leave town and join the assassins. Easy (relatively speaking)

blazefp
08-02-2011, 04:32 PM
I can call tomorrow. Now it's too late in my country

Plus, I'm not afraid of AI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif It would make this vacations more interesting xD

Cookiekiller6
08-02-2011, 04:56 PM
Hey, if someone calls and something related to AC comes up, I kindly ask you to go to the thread in my signature.

On topic: I'm damn well tempted to go to the phone and call it myself, but I'm always afraid of dialing the wrong number. It's a weird phobia I have.

EDIT: Do we know where the Abstergo HQ is located? If so, we could possibly find out what area code that is and try that.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 05:03 PM
I think its in Philidelphia? (idk how to spell that name). When I went to the wiki page I think they mentioned that location as the HQ. But I'd have to double check.

breedlove94
08-02-2011, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Cookiekiller6:
Hey, if someone calls and something related to AC comes up, I kindly ask you to go to the thread in my signature.

On topic: I'm damn well tempted to go to the phone and call it myself, but I'm always afraid of dialing the wrong number. It's a weird phobia I have.

EDIT: Do we know where the Abstergo HQ is located? If so, we could possibly find out what area code that is and try that. I always assumed it was somewhere in Europe because Desmond and Lucy drove in a van to Monteg-, the Villa. My guess is Rome.

LightRey
08-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by breedlove94:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cookiekiller6:
Hey, if someone calls and something related to AC comes up, I kindly ask you to go to the thread in my signature.

On topic: I'm damn well tempted to go to the phone and call it myself, but I'm always afraid of dialing the wrong number. It's a weird phobia I have.

EDIT: Do we know where the Abstergo HQ is located? If so, we could possibly find out what area code that is and try that. I always assumed it was somewhere in Europe because Desmond and Lucy drove in a van to Monteg-, the Villa. My guess is Rome. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, likely somewhere in Italy. Lucy said that the Villa was their last safehouse in Italy, which means that the one in ACII was most likely in Italy as well (many have suggested Florence, because of the buildings you can see through the windows) and that must've been a few hours away from Abstergo. It could therefore also be in France of course, which has also been suggested.

Cookiekiller6
08-02-2011, 05:27 PM
Do we need to know the area code, though? That would blow if we did.

LightRey
08-02-2011, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Cookiekiller6:
Do we need to know the area code, though? That would blow if we did.
lol, that would be quite annoying, yes. We'd have like a million different phone numbers to try then.

Cookiekiller6
08-02-2011, 05:45 PM
I can get my little sister to call the number on speakerphone...

naran6142
08-02-2011, 06:14 PM
Im a little confused on how you guys found this number, can someone explain plz

Cookiekiller6
08-02-2011, 06:26 PM
It was in a wiretapped phone call, someone dialed another number and I think he got the exact number from the sounds the dial made. I'll check if that works.

EDIT: All the numbers on my phone make the same sound D:

LightRey
08-02-2011, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Cookiekiller6:
It was in a wiretapped phone call, someone dialed another number and I think he got the exact number from the sounds the dial made. I'll check if that works.

EDIT: All the numbers on my phone make the same sound D:
I'm quite sure most phones have a different sound for each digit. I believe it's a feature for convenience and people with bad or no hearing.

Subject_4
08-03-2011, 06:10 PM
There is no area code dialed in the footage. That may be a minor production oversight. In North America the DTMF system is used to differentiate between digits when dialing, through a combination of 2 specific, audible frequencies for each digit. I searched briefly for area codes that have that number. 2 of those area codes have this number, one unlisted, and one a small business of which I have not determined their role. I believe both are dead ends.

Some facts:
1. The recording involves an english speaking subject with a british accent representing British Petroleum, talking to a Russian in 1992, hanging up, dialing a number to Abstergo. This is in regards to the collapse of communism and all the companies being bought up by the oligarchs.
2. Allegedly, the Abstergo headquarters are in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.
3. Until 1994 Philadelphia had one area code, meaning it is possible only 7 digit dialing was used.
4. In North America all regions use 7 or 10 digit dialing.

The call is probably in relation to this article (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article4186872.ece) which touches on, but does not go into depth about the relationship between BP and Russian business.

Subject 4

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 10:16 PM
Two things to mention here... I googled the number, and didn't see anything interesting. That said, what if it was an in company number? I know a lot of companies require you to dial nine, or another number, to dial out. If the number is of an office within the building however, you can simply dial the number, and have it routed to the correct phone through the companies own system. Would it even be possible to know if this were connected to the game in the real world, considering that?

Subject_4
08-04-2011, 03:29 PM
I rarely post to back up my work but the nature of this information calls for it, for those who want some security if they wish to pursue it.
I make no guarantees. But I feel certain of it's accuracy.
Audio Comparison (http://www.mediafire.com/?q91tvvhdo0mth1n)

First in this audio clip is audio from the phone records. followed by a DTMF reproduction for the number 6657139, followed by both simultaneously, channel separated. Note that the original is slightly differently timed, as though it was hand dialed and not spaced exactly 300ms apart.

Finally I offer this.
http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/AbstergoDTMFanalysis.jpg
I know none of this is absolute proof, as for many here it may be difficult to interpret, but this is all I can offer.

Subject 4

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Could you submit it as a youtube video possibly? I get a little nervous when it comes to downloads from people I don't know, no offense intended.

Subject_4
08-04-2011, 07:37 PM
I hate you for making me doing so much more work to get this done right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8T7S0TRt8

Subject 4

OGCFB
08-04-2011, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
I hate you for making me doing so much more work to get this done right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8T7S0TRt8

Subject 4

Your work is appreciated I assure you.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by OACFB:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
I hate you for making me doing so much more work to get this done right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8T7S0TRt8

Subject 4

Your work is appreciated I assure you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh believe me, the work is greatly appreciated. Great job. I do believe it is the 6657139 number.

Mikatsuki95
08-04-2011, 11:03 PM
I add on to the appreciation. Good job S4

Subject_4
08-06-2011, 12:43 PM
Thank you all for your kind comments. Is there any other pertinent audio or video which needs some dissection and analysis?

Subject 4

Poodle_of_Doom
08-07-2011, 12:41 PM
Not that I'm aware of.

Mikatsuki95
08-07-2011, 03:14 PM
I've got something if you happen to get bored one day. Idk the puzzle number but its a phone message with the confession of a templar about abstergo. At the very end he says something in another language that wasnt in the subtitles because it was too slow and didnt keep up with what he said.

Also see if you cant identify what language is being spoken in this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...5nkw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es4Hkyh5nkw&feature=related)

While I may not know much about you I have a good feeling that you can figure it all out.

Subject_4
08-07-2011, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
the confession of a templar about abstergo. At the very end he says something in another language

In Hoc Signo Vinces
Latin for "in this sign you will conquer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K...Templar_(Freemasonry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)) also has information pertinent to it's templar connections.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-07-2011, 04:00 PM
Impressive and thank you. Now I'd love to see you figure out the language in that song. I'll be beyond amazed if you can do that

Subject_4
08-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Also see if you cant identify what language is being spoken in this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...5nkw&feature=related

Gloria Patri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Patri
Definitely latin but the later passages of the track seem to not fit.

Mikatsuki95
08-07-2011, 04:09 PM
like what? And again great job

Subject_4
08-07-2011, 04:11 PM
The later passage is

"Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum, benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Jesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen"
interesting what wiki says about this:
The petition first appeared in print in 1495 in Girolamo Savonarola's "Esposizione sopra l’Ave Maria".[7] The "Hail Mary" prayer in Savonarola's exposition reads:
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary
Savonrola is the very same Savonrola from Assassin's Creed 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Savonarola

I think that could be considered pretty epic; A game which has a song including words/lyrics written by a person whom you kill.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-07-2011, 04:46 PM
I had a good feeling about you and you did not disappoint. That is very interesting indeed. They also made it so he was a POE handler. I wonder why they chose this song. Like you said, written by a guy who we eventually kill with a stab to the face. While again very interesting I can't see the reason why they excluded it from the soundtrack. Not only that but all information.

Although I want to point out that the pope did say that within the vault lied god. Maybe for some reason they felt this song appropriate for the setting.

Subject_4
08-08-2011, 09:19 PM
Although I want to point out that the pope did say that within the vault lied god.

Likely that is only his point of view, not necessarily "reality". For someone so steeped in the business of god, that is the first conclusion he would jump to.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-08-2011, 09:27 PM
True and true. But what bothers me is that the password to the vault under Juno's temple is 72 which Shaun explained was god. I always assumed Ezio made the password but I was wrong, TWCB did since they built the thing. What I'm getting at is I wonder what they define as "god". This isnt part of this topic but I wanted to throw that out there.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-08-2011, 10:12 PM
Shaun didn't explain that it was God. He explained how it related to the 72 names of God.

Subject_4
08-08-2011, 10:52 PM
Interesting point, I suspect that number is god only from what is, within the game widly accepted from a biblical point of view, made by men, since Juno or Ninerva, I forget which, said specifically that while they made humans, they are not "gods" as such, but are straight out of the Roman Pantheon, but as she also said, they are known by many names. I think it probable that the chambers the pieces of Eden are stored in were made by humans under the guidance of TWCB (as slaves).

When they were overthrown, probably immediately, or sometime in the near future they were taken over by what we essentially know as the assassins now to keep them from being exploited by people with an agenda, IE the Templars. Therein, lies the reasoning, as I see it, that 72, albeit quite simple, is the password, made by humans virtually every step of the way.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-08-2011, 11:23 PM
If humans did make them and the idea did cross my mind, I figured they were just being told enough to make it but didn't understand enough to recreate it on their own.

What did we find in the Vatican? A prophecy from Minerva but she didnt say she was a god, despite the fact humanity worshipped them as such under many names. You made a good point but I still have my question, what do 'they' consider god to be? Power, a person, knowledge? I've no idea. Even in real life I don't know what god truly is (now this is me personally and I mean no offense here) I think at one time we had a greater understanding of the term, but lost it over time. Minerva did say "truth turned into myth". Im not saying god is a myth, but that I think our understanding of it has gone down over time.

Back to the game, I think the guys who made the game were speaking their viewpoint through some characters. Like how rodrigo didnt believe god was from any biblical texts written by men over the centuries. And Altair who said in the codex it was foolish to believe a single god was the answer to every question. (thats what they said not what I'm saying, i wanna make that clear)

What I am saying is that pretend Ubisoft is speaking through them, and they're deducing what they say god 'isn't'. Again pretending (sorry but this one of those topics you gotta be clear what you mean). So if god isn't a single all knowing deity or any being in a biblical text written over "the past 10,000 years" as rodrigo said, then when the hell do they consider god in AC universe? And think about how some of this ties together. Rodrigo again said every biblical text was lies, meaning the gods in them would be lies to. And Minerva admitted she wasnt a god even though many of her names were worshipped as one. So in the AC universe that much is true cuz she admitted that part, (unless she lied). But unless Ubisoft tells us then idk if we can find out what they consider god

Ohhh man I just thought of something and I think its something good. Minerva said when she died her name was Minerva. What time period and or civilization did Minerva exist? That answer might tell us when the war against TWCB and humans started. Or at least the last time TWCB were alive. It may well be the time area when that "classified date" in the truth video is.
I know I'm a bit excited so I shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Now again I meant no offense to religions.
I could be wrong in what I said so I hope you guys can at least shed some light on that date. It could be a great hint.

LightRey
08-08-2011, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
Interesting point, I suspect that number is god only from what is, within the game widly accepted from a biblical point of view, made by men, since Juno or Ninerva, I forget which, said specifically that while they made humans, they are not "gods" as such, but are straight out of the Roman Pantheon, but as she also said, they are known by many names. I think it probable that the chambers the pieces of Eden are stored in were made by humans under the guidance of TWCB (as slaves).

When they were overthrown, probably immediately, or sometime in the near future they were taken over by what we essentially know as the assassins now to keep them from being exploited by people with an agenda, IE the Templars. Therein, lies the reasoning, as I see it, that 72, albeit quite simple, is the password, made by humans virtually every step of the way.

Subject 4
I wonder if there might have been 72 of TWCB left after "the world became undone".

redcheetah7
08-08-2011, 11:57 PM
on the subject of where abstergo headquarters is located...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...xI&NR=1&feature=fvwp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qudIKaAyKxI&NR=1&feature=fvwp)

which probably is a further allusion to abstergo=illuminati

LightRey
08-09-2011, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by redcheetah7:
on the subject of where abstergo headquarters is located...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...xI&NR=1&feature=fvwp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qudIKaAyKxI&NR=1&feature=fvwp)

which probably is a further allusion to abstergo=illuminati
Well I don't think it's actually in The Vatican, there isn't that much space really. but it could be on a piece of land that is owned by The Vatican. When I was in Rome a few years back I stayed in a monastery that was technically part of The Vatican, so every time we went through the front door we stepped over the border :P
This could very well explain how Abstergo is able to remain secret.

Subject_4
08-09-2011, 12:22 AM
Almost all of that is rather obvious, but it does not prove that their base of operations is in Italy. They are a large conglomeration that has ownership of companies in many nations demonstrably the United States, Russia, and England; They are tied in closely with many national governments. All this video really proves is that the base where Assassin's Creed and parts of Assassin's Creed takes place is in Italy. But their headquarters could be anywhere, in fact, I would doubt they would let Desmond, a known assassin, who, despite his protests otherwise they believe to be an assassin (In Assassin's Creed 1) to be in their main base of operations where he might gain access to their leadership.

In regards to your question Mikatsuki, Minerva goes back to at least the Etruscan era, which is pre-Roman Empire, some time in the bronze age, around 1000BC that is known; I do not know of a more exact time for the emergence of Minerva but at the time she was connected with the moon.

Subject 4

LightRey
08-09-2011, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
Almost all of that is rather obvious, but it does not prove that their base of operations is in Italy. They are a large conglomeration that has ownership of companies in many nations demonstrably the United States, Russia, and England; They are tied in closely with many national governments. All this video really proves is that the base where Assassin's Creed and parts of Assassin's Creed takes place is in Italy. But their headquarters could be anywhere, in fact, I would doubt they would let Desmond, a known assassin, who, despite his protests otherwise they believe to be an assassin (In Assassin's Creed 1) to be in their main base of operations where he might gain access to their leadership.

In regards to your question Mikatsuki, Minerva goes back to at least the Etruscan era, which is pre-Roman Empire, some time in the bronze age, around 1000BC that is known; I do not know of a more exact time for the emergence of Minerva but at the time she was connected with the moon.

Subject 4
I'm pretty sure Minerva isn't Etruscan. The Etruscan gods were their ancestors. Later, when the Romans, who were Etruscan, came in contact with the Greeks they adopted their religion. That's where Minerva comes from. She's the Roman version of Pallas Athena.

EDIT: I looked around a little. It appears you're right. Menrva, or Merva, was an Etruscan goddess that was eventually adapted into Minerva to fit the role of Pallas Athena.
It makes me think. Minerva only mentioned the Roman/Etruscan timeline of their names, could that mean that they were mainly active in that region?

Subject_4
08-09-2011, 01:06 AM
EDIT: I looked around a little. It appears you're right. Menrva, or Merva, was an Etruscan goddess that was eventually adapted into Minerva to fit the role of Pallas Athena.
It makes me think. Minerva only mentioned the Roman/Etruscan timeline of their names, could that mean that they were mainly active in that region?
I believe it's more a matter of brevity and most commonly known, older names like Menrva and some others are not commonly known and in some cases may be difficult to pronounce properly.

Subject 4

LightRey
08-09-2011, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">EDIT: I looked around a little. It appears you're right. Menrva, or Merva, was an Etruscan goddess that was eventually adapted into Minerva to fit the role of Pallas Athena.
It makes me think. Minerva only mentioned the Roman/Etruscan timeline of their names, could that mean that they were mainly active in that region?
I believe it's more a matter of brevity and most commonly known, older names like Menrva and some others are not commonly known and in some cases may be difficult to pronounce properly.

Subject 4 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point. Either way I'm going to research this a little more. Maybe I can find some interesting connections and if I don't, I'll still have learned some new interesting things about ancient cultures.

Subject_4
08-09-2011, 01:36 AM
If I recall correctly she (or Juno, I do not recall) says these names are just some of many ascribed to them.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-09-2011, 06:07 AM
Did they ever bother to say "this is my name everybody, please dont give me a dozen new ones ok?" I mean they obviously knew how to talk. Wouldn't have killed them to say that.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-09-2011, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
I wonder if there might have been 72 of TWCB left after "the world became undone".


I like this point here.


Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by redcheetah7:
on the subject of where abstergo headquarters is located...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...xI&NR=1&feature=fvwp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qudIKaAyKxI&NR=1&feature=fvwp)

which probably is a further allusion to abstergo=illuminati
Well I don't think it's actually in The Vatican, there isn't that much space really. but it could be on a piece of land that is owned by The Vatican. When I was in Rome a few years back I stayed in a monastery that was technically part of The Vatican, so every time we went through the front door we stepped over the border :P
This could very well explain how Abstergo is able to remain secret. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is actually a good ploy to use. Since they haven't yet launched the satelite, the can temporarily use the Vatican, and Pope, to influence people.


Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Did they ever bother to say "this is my name everybody, please dont give me a dozen new ones ok?" I mean they obviously knew how to talk. Wouldn't have killed them to say that.

Perhaps names don't mean as much to them....

zerocooll21
08-09-2011, 09:22 AM
I think it was more of they got sick of people looking at them like gods when they simple came before as Minerva put it. I could be wrong but I got the feeling when she replied to desmonds "you are gods?" she seem kinda annoyed.

LightRey
08-09-2011, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
I think it was more of they got sick of people looking at them like gods when they simple came before as Minerva put it. I could be wrong but I got the feeling when she replied to desmonds "you are gods?" she seem kinda annoyed.
Well, I feel she wasn't so much annoyed as she was just eager to correct him. Like she felt that little detail was actually quite important.

zerocooll21
08-09-2011, 04:58 PM
Yah actually I think you're right. Again lol

LightRey
08-09-2011, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
Yah actually I think you're right. Again lol
lol, I try :P

AdmiralPerry
08-09-2011, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If humans did make them and the idea did cross my mind, I figured they were just being told enough to make it but didn't understand enough to recreate it on their own.

What did we find in the Vatican? A prophecy from Minerva but she didnt say she was a god, despite the fact humanity worshipped them as such under many names. You made a good point but I still have my question, what do 'they' consider god to be? Power, a person, knowledge? I've no idea. Even in real life I don't know what god truly is (now this is me personally and I mean no offense here) I think at one time we had a greater understanding of the term, but lost it over time. Minerva did say "truth turned into myth". Im not saying god is a myth, but that I think our understanding of it has gone down over time.

Back to the game, I think the guys who made the game were speaking their viewpoint through some characters. Like how rodrigo didnt believe god was from any biblical texts written by men over the centuries. And Altair who said in the codex it was foolish to believe a single god was the answer to every question. (thats what they said not what I'm saying, i wanna make that clear)

What I am saying is that pretend Ubisoft is speaking through them, and they're deducing what they say god 'isn't'. Again pretending (sorry but this one of those topics you gotta be clear what you mean). So if god isn't a single all knowing deity or any being in a biblical text written over "the past 10,000 years" as rodrigo said, then when the hell do they consider god in AC universe? And think about how some of this ties together. Rodrigo again said every biblical text was lies, meaning the gods in them would be lies to. And Minerva admitted she wasnt a god even though many of her names were worshipped as one. So in the AC universe that much is true cuz she admitted that part, (unless she lied). But unless Ubisoft tells us then idk if we can find out what they consider god

Ohhh man I just thought of something and I think its something good. Minerva said when she died her name was Minerva. What time period and or civilization did Minerva exist? That answer might tell us when the war against TWCB and humans started. Or at least the last time TWCB were alive. It may well be the time area when that "classified date" in the truth video is.
I know I'm a bit excited so I shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Now again I meant no offense to religions.
I could be wrong in what I said so I hope you guys can at least shed some light on that date. It could be a great hint.

Lot of good points in your post, and I particularly agree with what you said that we have probably lost some of our understanding of what God is. In the end, though, I think God is what people perceive him to be, and that's why we have all these disagreements.

To the person asking about the language in the Vault song, I believe the first part says, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" in Latin. Subject_4 already provided the translation of the latter part. And I had no idea that Savonarola wrote the Hail Mary as we say it. So much for Catholic school all my life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

As for Minerva's annoyance with Ezio/Desmond, it was probably more because he wouldn't shut up, be a good little Prophet, and let her speak.

Subject_4
08-09-2011, 07:02 PM
I just want to make sure it's clear only the 2nd half of that is attributable to Savonrola. It was a western trend, and to my (limited) knowledge that portion is no longer in common use. However, if you know otherwise, please do let me know.

Subject 4

AdmiralPerry
08-09-2011, 07:36 PM
Well, the first half of the Hail Mary is the greeting the angel Gabriel gave her at the time of the Annunciation. In the Bible, the greeting goes, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you." I'm sure translations vary from Bible to Bible, and I'm not sure where exactly the "blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb" comes from. The Bible I looked at didn't have that part in it.

SaltShakerz93
08-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by AdmiralPerry:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If humans did make them and the idea did cross my mind, I figured they were just being told enough to make it but didn't understand enough to recreate it on their own.

What did we find in the Vatican? A prophecy from Minerva but she didnt say she was a god, despite the fact humanity worshipped them as such under many names. You made a good point but I still have my question, what do 'they' consider god to be? Power, a person, knowledge? I've no idea. Even in real life I don't know what god truly is (now this is me personally and I mean no offense here) I think at one time we had a greater understanding of the term, but lost it over time. Minerva did say "truth turned into myth". Im not saying god is a myth, but that I think our understanding of it has gone down over time.

Back to the game, I think the guys who made the game were speaking their viewpoint through some characters. Like how rodrigo didnt believe god was from any biblical texts written by men over the centuries. And Altair who said in the codex it was foolish to believe a single god was the answer to every question. (thats what they said not what I'm saying, i wanna make that clear)

What I am saying is that pretend Ubisoft is speaking through them, and they're deducing what they say god 'isn't'. Again pretending (sorry but this one of those topics you gotta be clear what you mean). So if god isn't a single all knowing deity or any being in a biblical text written over "the past 10,000 years" as rodrigo said, then when the hell do they consider god in AC universe? And think about how some of this ties together. Rodrigo again said every biblical text was lies, meaning the gods in them would be lies to. And Minerva admitted she wasnt a god even though many of her names were worshipped as one. So in the AC universe that much is true cuz she admitted that part, (unless she lied). But unless Ubisoft tells us then idk if we can find out what they consider god

Ohhh man I just thought of something and I think its something good. Minerva said when she died her name was Minerva. What time period and or civilization did Minerva exist? That answer might tell us when the war against TWCB and humans started. Or at least the last time TWCB were alive. It may well be the time area when that "classified date" in the truth video is.
I know I'm a bit excited so I shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Now again I meant no offense to religions.
I could be wrong in what I said so I hope you guys can at least shed some light on that date. It could be a great hint.

Lot of good points in your post, and I particularly agree with what you said that we have probably lost some of our understanding of what God is. In the end, though, I think God is what people perceive him to be, and that's why we have all these disagreements.

To the person asking about the language in the Vault song, I believe the first part says, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" in Latin. Subject_4 already provided the translation of the latter part. And I had no idea that Savonarola wrote the Hail Mary as we say it. So much for Catholic school all my life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

As for Minerva's annoyance with Ezio/Desmond, it was probably more because he wouldn't shut up, be a good little Prophet, and let her speak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7K5WhDrnI0 In this video listen from 1:39. What is it that she is talking about. is it what THEY consider to be GOD?? Did their GOD destroy them or whatever??

LightRey
08-23-2011, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by SaltShakerz93:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdmiralPerry:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If humans did make them and the idea did cross my mind, I figured they were just being told enough to make it but didn't understand enough to recreate it on their own.

What did we find in the Vatican? A prophecy from Minerva but she didnt say she was a god, despite the fact humanity worshipped them as such under many names. You made a good point but I still have my question, what do 'they' consider god to be? Power, a person, knowledge? I've no idea. Even in real life I don't know what god truly is (now this is me personally and I mean no offense here) I think at one time we had a greater understanding of the term, but lost it over time. Minerva did say "truth turned into myth". Im not saying god is a myth, but that I think our understanding of it has gone down over time.

Back to the game, I think the guys who made the game were speaking their viewpoint through some characters. Like how rodrigo didnt believe god was from any biblical texts written by men over the centuries. And Altair who said in the codex it was foolish to believe a single god was the answer to every question. (thats what they said not what I'm saying, i wanna make that clear)

What I am saying is that pretend Ubisoft is speaking through them, and they're deducing what they say god 'isn't'. Again pretending (sorry but this one of those topics you gotta be clear what you mean). So if god isn't a single all knowing deity or any being in a biblical text written over "the past 10,000 years" as rodrigo said, then when the hell do they consider god in AC universe? And think about how some of this ties together. Rodrigo again said every biblical text was lies, meaning the gods in them would be lies to. And Minerva admitted she wasnt a god even though many of her names were worshipped as one. So in the AC universe that much is true cuz she admitted that part, (unless she lied). But unless Ubisoft tells us then idk if we can find out what they consider god

Ohhh man I just thought of something and I think its something good. Minerva said when she died her name was Minerva. What time period and or civilization did Minerva exist? That answer might tell us when the war against TWCB and humans started. Or at least the last time TWCB were alive. It may well be the time area when that "classified date" in the truth video is.
I know I'm a bit excited so I shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Now again I meant no offense to religions.
I could be wrong in what I said so I hope you guys can at least shed some light on that date. It could be a great hint.

Lot of good points in your post, and I particularly agree with what you said that we have probably lost some of our understanding of what God is. In the end, though, I think God is what people perceive him to be, and that's why we have all these disagreements.

To the person asking about the language in the Vault song, I believe the first part says, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" in Latin. Subject_4 already provided the translation of the latter part. And I had no idea that Savonarola wrote the Hail Mary as we say it. So much for Catholic school all my life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

As for Minerva's annoyance with Ezio/Desmond, it was probably more because he wouldn't shut up, be a good little Prophet, and let her speak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7K5WhDrnI0 In this video listen from 1:39. What is it that she is talking about. is it what THEY consider to be GOD?? Did their GOD destroy them or whatever?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
She's talking about time. It's either a metaphor or some sort of god they associated with it.

Mikatsuki95
08-23-2011, 03:00 PM
Its thought that she was referring to either "time" or "humanity". I mean all the gods humans worshipped were either fabricated or members of TWCB. I don't even know the details of what destroyed them. And most importantly, how and why did they all die, were humans (who weren't advanced as they were) 'did' survive.

Also, of all the things they chose 72 as the password which Shaun explains its connection to god. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what they consider god to be.

@LightRey:I thought the same thing at first but don't be so sure its time. I mean they haven't exactly been all that blunt and direct in their words before.

LightRey
08-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
@LightRey:I thought the same thing at first but don't be so sure its time. I mean they haven't exactly been all that blunt and direct in their words before.

She says these things right after she says: "...but not life. Almost did we have the means, but time, time erodes us...".
It's quite clear that's she's talking about time here. Not everything needs to be a riddle.

Mikatsuki95
08-23-2011, 03:45 PM
I get your point but I'm not calling it anything without a clear answer. Its not a riddle, its just not clear enough in reference to the identity of this "he".

I wont argue whether she meant time or not. Its not a clear answer so I won't make assumptions

Besides, the whole point he was asking was trying to figure out what they consider god based on what she said. Again even now I don't know. It dismisses all popular belief of what god is and I can't fathom what else they mean.

LightRey
08-23-2011, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
I get your point but I'm not calling it anything without a clear answer. Its not a riddle, its just not clear enough in reference to the identity of this "he".

I wont argue whether she meant time or not. Its not a clear answer so I won't make assumptions

Besides, he was asking about if this he/time thing was their god or idea of god.
I don't think so. He didn't seem to know she was most likely referring to time. I don't think he was laying a link between 'time' and some kind of 'god'.
However, it is possible that 'time' is something they associate some godlike figure with, but it's highly speculative at this point.

Mikatsuki95
08-23-2011, 03:58 PM
A possibility yes. What we do know is they were trying to preserve life (whether to prevent death or something else idk).

Maybe god is associated with time to them.

LightRey
08-23-2011, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
A possibility yes. What we do know is they were trying to preserve life (whether to prevent death or something else idk).

Maybe god is associated with time to them.
It's also quite interesting how she immediately associates 'time' with 'death', which is quite common in ancient mythology as well. It's even the reason that the grim reaper has a scythe, because people accidentally confused Chronos (whose name is ancient Greek for 'time'), who was also associated with death, with Cronus, a Titan associated with harvest and is often depicted wielding a scythe.

Mikatsuki95
08-23-2011, 04:10 PM
We know they didn't have the means. "Almost did we have the means" is what Juno said.

We'll find out in the next title since we know it'll reveal the answer to Altair's question on how to prevent or delay death. Or as it was put "one last look".

ShaneO7K
08-23-2011, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
A possibility yes. What we do know is they were trying to preserve life (whether to prevent death or something else idk).

Maybe god is associated with time to them.
It's also quite interesting how she immediately associates 'time' with 'death', which is quite common in ancient mythology as well. It's even the reason that the grim reaper has a scythe, because people accidentally confused Chronos (whose name is ancient Greek for 'time'), who was also associated with death, with Cronus, a Titan associated with harvest and is often depicted wielding a scythe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This doesn't relate to what you were saying about time, but what if the "he" she was refering to was Mars, her son the God of War?

LightRey
08-23-2011, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by dead_gunner187:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
A possibility yes. What we do know is they were trying to preserve life (whether to prevent death or something else idk).

Maybe god is associated with time to them.
It's also quite interesting how she immediately associates 'time' with 'death', which is quite common in ancient mythology as well. It's even the reason that the grim reaper has a scythe, because people accidentally confused Chronos (whose name is ancient Greek for 'time'), who was also associated with death, with Cronus, a Titan associated with harvest and is often depicted wielding a scythe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This doesn't relate to what you were saying about time, but what if the "he" she was refering to was Mars, her son the God of War? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I doubt it. I know that some of it sounds like he's actually attacking them, but it sounds very much metaphorical and since she just seems to continue on from where was talking about time, I'd say she's talking about time.

SaltShakerz93
08-24-2011, 04:18 PM
Well whatever they thought time is, it appears it has a consiousness

LightRey
08-24-2011, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by SaltShakerz93:
Well whatever they thought time is, it appears it has a consiousness
Again, it was most likely a metaphor, so I doubt they think it has a consciousness.