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David.Ubi.Cust
03-22-2006, 03:42 PM
This post asks two basic questions to Ubisoft officials.

I am a fan deeply interested in the development of the R6 franchise but with the recent major 'crash' of the fourth iteration called 'R6 Lockdown' (the travesty), I just want to have at least some confidence that I can "minimally" trust UBI and give this corporation one more chance. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If I don't find 'satisfying' answers to the two questions asked below, then I will move on, that is, I simply won't buy any other UBI games and will have much more time for doing other things. If these two questions do not get answered by UBI officials, then I will take that as an 'unsatisfying' answer.

So here are my two questions:

1) Will R6-5 use the StarForce Software Protection tool ?

2) Is R6-5 being developed according to a "multi-platform" development paradigm ? In other words, is there 'programming codes', 'models', 'textures', 'animations', etc..., being shared between the console platforms versions and the PC version ?

Question 1 is asked because:
StarForce is known for leaving "malware" on your computer even after the game is uninstalled, causing:
a) Operating System instability,
b) Security system vulnerability,
c) CD/DVD drives being damaged,
d) Other programs and games to function improperly.

By the way, many game reviewers did not install and test R6 Lockdown for this sole reason...

Question 2 is asked because:
Porting games from one platform to another does nothing but alienate games and gamers alike. One of the essential ingredients to PC game quality is having a separate team for the PC version AND this team developing the game TOTALLY INDEPENDANTLY from the console teams.

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I wait for answers from UBI officials. And remember, NO ANSWER IS AN ANSWER! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yen Lo
03-22-2006, 04:59 PM
well Geez they gave you Lockdown, which is in their eyes a "good" game, dosent that answer your questions?

DreamMarine
03-23-2006, 01:56 AM
I will buy oblivion this evening. Bethesda obviously knows how it is done:

- They LOVE their product!
- They LOVE their customers (i.e. players)!
- They listen to their community!
- They produce a game which almost everyone praises!
- They reinvent the genre without alienating their loyal fans!
- They take the basic idea of the fantastic predecessor and raise the level of perfection in almost every aspect!
- They get their XBOX customers and PC customers to seventh heaven likewise!
- And obviously they make big money with it - just because they are truly dedicated to their product. And you know what: I believe they deserve it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't see why this shouldn't be able with a game like R6... if someone really wants to do it!!!

DreamMarine

David.Ubi.Cust
03-23-2006, 05:25 PM
For those who still doesn't know about Starforce:

A page gathering information about why and how Starforce sux:
Boycott Starforce (http://www.glop.org/starforce/)

A French text showing how Starforce guys are kind (sarcasm):
StarForce helps pirating Galactic Civilizations 2 (French text) (http://www.ratiatum.com/news2934_StarForce_aide_a_pirater_Galactic_Civiliz ations_2.html)

About the last link, my French is good enough for me to grasp the main idea of the text, but unfortunatly not good enough to provide an 'okay' translation to English. Sorry!

Geiger
03-24-2006, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by DreamMarine:
I will buy oblivion this evening. Bethesda obviously knows how it is done:

- They LOVE their product!
- They LOVE their customers (i.e. players)!
- They listen to their community!
- They produce a game which almost everyone praises!
- They reinvent the genre without alienating their loyal fans!
- They take the basic idea of the fantastic predecessor and raise the level of perfection in almost every aspect!
- They get their XBOX customers and PC customers to seventh heaven likewise!
- And obviously they make big money with it - just because they are truly dedicated to their product. And you know what: I believe they deserve it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't see why this shouldn't be able with a game like R6... if someone really wants to do it!!!

DreamMarine

Oblivion isn't the best example. There are many people who bought the game and can't play it, me included. Realistically though, I know this is just how things happen with all the rediculous amounts of compatibility issues etc... I will just have to wait for a patch and regardless how much I'd like to play it now, I understand why I can't.

Geiger
03-24-2006, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by David.Ubi.Cust:
This post asks two basic questions to Ubisoft officials.

I am a fan deeply interested in the development of the R6 franchise but with the recent major 'crash' of the fourth iteration called 'R6 Lockdown' (the travesty), I just want to have at least some confidence that I can "minimally" trust UBI and give this corporation one more chance. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If I don't find 'satisfying' answers to the two questions asked below, then I will move on, that is, I simply won't buy any other UBI games and will have much more time for doing other things. If these two questions do not get answered by UBI officials, then I will take that as an 'unsatisfying' answer.

So here are my two questions:

1) Will R6-5 use the StarForce Software Protection tool ?

2) Is R6-5 being developed according to a "multi-platform" development paradigm ? In other words, is there 'programming codes', 'models', 'textures', 'animations', etc..., being shared between the console platforms versions and the PC version ?

Question 1 is asked because:
StarForce is known for leaving "malware" on your computer even after the game is uninstalled, causing:
a) Operating System instability,
b) Security system vulnerability,
c) CD/DVD drives being damaged,
d) Other programs and games to function improperly.

By the way, many game reviewers did not install and test R6 Lockdown for this sole reason...

Question 2 is asked because:
Porting games from one platform to another does nothing but alienate games and gamers alike. One of the essential ingredients to PC game quality is having a separate team for the PC version AND this team developing the game TOTALLY INDEPENDANTLY from the console teams.

-----------

I wait for answers from UBI officials. And remember, NO ANSWER IS AN ANSWER! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm not sure about Starforce and it has been said from day 1 that the PC version is being developed specifically for the PC though I don't agree that ports are always bad and with the next generation of consoles keeping up with high end PCs, you'll see less an less issues with ports once publishers/developers figure out how to properly convert the experience.

David.Ubi.Cust
03-24-2006, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Geiger:
I'm not sure about Starforce and it has been said from day 1 that the PC version is being developed specifically for the PC though I don't agree that ports are always bad and with the next generation of consoles keeping up with high end PCs, you'll see less an less issues with ports once publishers/developers figure out how to properly convert the experience.

Thanks for answering me!

If you really have a separate team for the PC version, then sincere congratulations, that's a good start! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I just want to add that I also think ports may be more 'acceptable' for some kind of games in the future. Although, for 'deep' games like tactical shooters, I think separate teams will be the way to go for still a long time.

As for the 'Starforce' problem, I really encourage you to find a real solution, that is, another anti-piracy solution. I am all against piracy because in the long run, it is as bad for the legitimate customers as it is for the publishers. However, Starforce has proven to be a real PROBLEM to a SIGNIFICANT portion of legitimate and paying customers. This should not happen again. A legitimate buyer installing a Ubisoft game on his/her Hard Drive should have an enjoyable experience, not a nightmare. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm talking only for me here, but no matter the amount of *stars* that will be given by reviewers about R6-5, I won't buy it if it is 'Starforce' protected. The reason is that I can't afford taking any risk to compromise the integrity and security of my computer system. That would be a sad thing for me because despite the past errors of UBI, I think the next title might be a real R6 hit.

DayGlow
03-24-2006, 03:08 PM
although I agree that SF has issues that needs to be addressed, the security issue was fixed long ago. People paranoid about SF leaving them vulnerable must also realize their software firewalls, etc are just as vulnerable to the 'risks' atributed to SF.

On a side note something I personally found humorous was that many anti-SF people have been celibrating that Oblivion wasn't going to use SF. Myself never having a problem with SF didn't really care, but when I put the non-SF Oblivion disk into my DVDrom drive it wouldn't read http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Luckly it would work in my DVD-RW drive and install fine. Just kinda funny that this happened.

SAS_Shield
03-25-2006, 12:25 PM
The only issues I had with SF was hte tech support was horrible, never got a reply and never got the game to work.

DreamMarine
03-27-2006, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Geiger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DreamMarine:
I will buy oblivion this evening. Bethesda obviously knows how it is done:

- They LOVE their product!
- They LOVE their customers (i.e. players)!
- They listen to their community!
- They produce a game which almost everyone praises!
- They reinvent the genre without alienating their loyal fans!
- They take the basic idea of the fantastic predecessor and raise the level of perfection in almost every aspect!
- They get their XBOX customers and PC customers to seventh heaven likewise!
- And obviously they make big money with it - just because they are truly dedicated to their product. And you know what: I believe they deserve it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't see why this shouldn't be able with a game like R6... if someone really wants to do it!!!

DreamMarine

Oblivion isn't the best example. There are many people who bought the game and can't play it, me included. Realistically though, I know this is just how things happen with all the rediculous amounts of compatibility issues etc... I will just have to wait for a patch and regardless how much I'd like to play it now, I understand why I can't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I admit, that I encountered some bugs myself with Oblivion - total crashes included. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But if you FEEL how dedicated the development team of a product is to give you the ultimate and authentic experience... you actually forgive for a lot of problems.

Please always keep in mind that faith in a product or franchise or developer builds up slowly. But once it is reached you have very good tempered and forgiving customers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DreamMarine

P.s.:
I sincerely hope for you that you got Oblivion to run by now. It's worth it!