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eriklebleu21
07-12-2005, 01:48 AM
I'm only reaching something in the 60k per patrol. Maybe I'm not managing my torps well or maybe the deck gun ammo. Is there a secret beyond the 100k final report? I'd like to buy it!

WihelmSchulz-
07-12-2005, 02:19 AM
go for the big ships. like C3's,liners,and T2 and T3's.

FDNYFAN
07-12-2005, 02:23 AM
I got my 100K with the "help" of some BB and CV in Scapa Flow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
I was using the world mod though.
I usualy sink a T3 with 1 impact torpedo in the engine room or fuel bunker.
When using the deck gun fire below the water line or where the fuel bunker or engine room is.
Fire a few AP rounds in it and then finish her with HE.
Hope this helps you.

V-MAN1981
07-12-2005, 02:24 AM
Your gonna need to sink a few passenger liners on your patrol in you wanna get in the 100k club. They're 20k+ for the price of one well placed torpedo.

The T3 will go down with one torpedo to the fuel bunker. Bring up the recognition manual and make a note of the depth of the ships keel then set your torp to about 1 metre greater plus set it to magnetic detonation. Wait until you are really close then on the recognition manual the option to target specific portions of the ship will appear, target the fuel bunker.

One last thing make sure your outer torpedo doors are open, this is really important because you will waste a vita few seconds when firing the torp and probably miss the target area on the ship.

doug.d
07-12-2005, 02:47 AM
With a bit of luck, every ship can be sunk with one torpedo, but to have such luck with every torpedo in the same patrol is unlikely. You could of course, manipulate the game by saving before each encounter and just reload until the ship goes down with one, but this is not good sportsmanship.

I never made it in a type VII, never had (and still haven't), had the luxury of finding a liner or BB to boost me the last bit. I also don't have the patience or self disipline to 'cherry-pick'. In a type IX though, with its extra torpedoes, the 100k will come to you, you don't have to chase it. I guess this makes me a 2nd class 100k member. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

In both cases though, you will need a spell of good weather to add some tons by means of your deck gun.

cueceleches
07-12-2005, 02:52 AM
Sorry, I´m not from the 100k club, though I would like to say that I like to trade realism for ammo. I mean, after having read quite a few books abot U-Boats, I still haven´t seen any commander shotting one single eel unless the target was a quite small boat...They always shot salvos of 2 or 3 torps in order to ensure a hit...And that´s what I do...
My experiences tell me that a T3 should take no more than 2 eels, and as stated above, at time one is enough if well placed. BTW, I really love the huge explosions a hit T3 provokes!

doug.d
07-12-2005, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by cueceleches:
They always shot salvos of 2 or 3 torps in order to ensure a hit...And that´s what I do...


Agreed, chasing tonnage makes for 'unreal' behaviour. After the joy of exploring the wonders and limits of SH3, I've now settled down to doing the job Donuts expects of me by 'making sure' of every target with at least 2 torpedoes for everything over 5k tons. Only if a second shot is guaranteed without chasing the target for miles, will I try a single shot.

cueceleches
07-12-2005, 03:12 AM
Right...I know that in a Type II or even a VII, due to the relative small amount of torps onboard, it´s difficult to assume, but in a IX, which I´m actually running, my average tonnage per patrol is between 35.000 and 60.000, which is not bad at all...

eriklebleu21
07-12-2005, 03:31 AM
thanks everybody. I was so happy while reaching 60k for the first time...now I'll try to refine my aiming and resources management. great game, anyway! romanians are behind it, as far as I heard.

W.Irving
07-12-2005, 04:18 AM
Minimum amount of ammo to sink a T3?

Three HE-rounds. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

eriklebleu21
07-12-2005, 05:12 AM
should be the realistic solution, I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Faamecanic
07-12-2005, 05:25 AM
I got my 100k by heading down to the Carribean (need at least a IX-C to do this).

Once there patrol just south/southeast of Cuba... there are TANKERS GALORE down there. I must have sank at least 8 or 9 tankers on one patrol.

Oh and hit the port of Curacao while down there... I hit it in lat 1943 and got a T2, T3 and a C2. All gaurded by a lonely trawler (with no guns or DCs). And its a DEEP harbor...

Just be prepared to be harrassed by Elco boats and LOTS OF PLANES on your way out.

stinkhammer6
07-12-2005, 04:31 PM
I find it amazing that many still find it hard to hit 100k. I do it almost every patrol in my VII-B and still have torpedos left, I only do it for the medals for my crew. Its simple, go up past ireland and west of the islands of Loch Ewe, look for the white water not far off to the west, park there and relax, time compress and youll run into convoy after convoy filled with tankers. Sink about 5 since they only require one fish to bring any of them down, head back directly outside of brest just below Ireland and patrol a small square shaped route there, hit every cargo and lone tanker you find, if the water is calm, go nuts with the deck gun, you can break 100k easily in a week of game time (not real time). Alot of times there is a lone fiji light cruiser in Loch Ewe, thats an easy 10k with one fish spent right there and its stationary, aim between the two aft guns with a depth of 4m and forget about it.

VikingGrandad
07-12-2005, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by V-MAN1981:
Your gonna need to sink a few passenger liners on your patrol in you wanna get in the 100k club. They're 20k+ for the price of one well placed torpedo.

The one time I encountered a passenger liner, I hit it dead on with a torpedo in the fuel bunker (according to the recognition manual vulnerability mod). It took another 3-4 torpedo hits before it finally started to sink. Where do you aim to sink it with just one torp? What depth/speed/pistol do you use?

I have a similar problem with troop ships - I always seem to need 3 torps to sink them. Got any tips for those too?

Siliconchild
07-12-2005, 07:34 PM
I am on my first game at 65% 1.4b with only the flag mod and I got my 100k on my 3rd patrol. I had to sink a American liner to get it, but that wasn't the reason I sunk her.
At the moment I am on my 7th patrol and have 102k with 3 torps left and 30 HE rounds. I have been hunting AM97 and finding lots of C2 C3 T2 T3 with no escorts. The gird is packed with DD's Elco's and planes. Mixed with the 100m depth it's not the sweetest spot to hunt, but I am new to the game and trying to avoid reading any tips and tricks.
All my shots are at 90 at 1000 yards or under. I found one convoy in my mission grid, but the two Flower Corvettes and one VW Destroyer stayed within 2km of the convoy. At the moment I am scared of the VW as it is the only one so far that has given me a beating time and time again. I got lucky and snuck into the middle only to find a T2 and T3 side by side. One fore and aft shot running under the keel took both down and I got out of dodge leaving the rest behind.
I have to say that this mission I am guilty of cherry picking, but I wanted to see how much I could bag if I got picky. Boat is a VIIB started in 39 out of Kiel. (sp?) I have been lucky and had good weather, so one torp under the hull mid section and if that doesn't do it, wait a few mins and work it over with your deck gun. I don't stray too far from my mission grid, maybe one or two, but then I just stay till I am bingo on fuel or ammo.

Just what do you use to get your WO to give more info?
I have been doing all my own work so far and dont use the WO. I get the Reg manuel part, but how close to you have to be so see the different area's to aim at? Sorry for the noob question but I am trying to stay away from the FAQ to avoid any spoilers I might find.
My only other trick is to take breaks from the game, when I get tired I get lazy and just want to end the mission so I will spend more torps and shells so I don't have to wait around so much. More fuel to, so I can't stay out as long. Last patrol I had 28km left of fuel left in the tank when I pulled into port, so I am happy to be working out of France for my next Patrol.

Siliconchild.

Maj_Solo
07-12-2005, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by eriklebleu21:
I'm only reaching something in the 60k per patrol. Maybe I'm not managing my torps well or maybe the deck gun ammo. Is there a secret beyond the 100k final report? I'd like to buy it!

Well ... I always attack .... always ... in all weather .... and when I am tired or rested ... so my results in VII oscillates between 20K and 100K .... mainly between 45K and 85K .... cause it depends totally on the weather ... what targets you are given .... tactical situation ... did you have to fight destroyers ..... there are so many variables .... I don't nerd around only eating the big cherries and going to the next place ... no I spend all my ammo as quickly as possible and hurry back to reload if the weather is bad cause it will be good next time I sail out ..... your perfect day will come some day.

quillan
07-12-2005, 09:53 PM
When I did it, it was primarily with the help of a 2-3 week period of calm weather. I used up all my deck gun ammo, and that let me sink plenty of ships. It was also early enough in the war that armed merchants weren't around yet.

doug.d
07-12-2005, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
I find it amazing that many still find it hard to hit 100k. I do it almost every patrol in my VII-B and still have torpedos left....

Hey Stink, I'm not a "hater", you know that and I'm sure you have lots of valuable hints and tips for everyone. However, its not what you say that creates "haters", its HOW you say it, like you want to make yourself look big by staying the same size and making others look smaller, if you get my drift. You're coming across as being conceited, obnoxious and just plain unpleasant, which I hope is not your intention. Use it... don't use it... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

stinkhammer6
07-13-2005, 03:56 AM
No doug its not my intention if you or others take my wording the wrong way, in my eyes it seems fine but in others it seems what you stated. I am still working on my wording and still havent found the right recipe to make others understand without getting offended by my words. Some who ask for it, they get it and I mean every word. When Im tryin to help others it seems to come out wrong. Didnt mean to offend if I did, sorry if you take me the wrong way.

But honestly, its really not that hard to hit over 100 grand, and I find it frustrating to hear others struggling when the answer is so simple. I give massive amounts of advice away, my tactics I give away almost daily and yet still, its as if no one takes what I say to heart and applies it or they just read it and are like yeah right. I just dont throw things out there for people to read, but no matter how I word it it will always come out like Im trying to say Im the best out there. Granted I said alot of things about my 200k score but that was only for the ones who were talking mad trash and basically it was a shotgun blast to all who read them. I stated long ago Im used to high competition gaming and I come here and find that competition is almost at zero levels. So some of that attitude I guess does drizzle onto this forum and this game and I suppose it shouldnt but its hard to get away from when its all that you are used to. Anyways, again Im sorry if you took some of my words the wrong way, Im flustered easily when it comes to things that I see are so simple yet others find them difficult, I just wanna grab them and be like here, this is how you do it! Ill make this next part quick before I write a novel.

TO MAKE 100K ON YOUR PATROLS DO THE FOLLOWING>

1.Make your way north of Ireland and even with Loch Ewe, head west to the white water area on the map and sit. Convoys galore roll through there.
2. Sink only tankers, nothing else unless its bigger than any of the tankers like passenger liners and so on. Then sneak out of the convoy and look for another. Repeat.
3. When bored of convoy hunting, head south just outside of Brest by about 5 grid squares (large ones not the small ones when you zoom in) then patrol in circles.
4. Dont try to sink anything less than a C3 with a torpedo. If the weather is fair, go to deck gun and have at it.

If anyone were to do this, what I just said, you will easily reach over 100k. DO NOT attempt to sink a c2 cargo, have discipline and patients, save your torpedos for the bigger things like a c3 and UP! The rest, just deck gun or let them pass you by depending on the weather. It does take a little bit of your time, but when you find you are at 89k and you have 6 torpedos left, you will suddenly realize, the time you spent, was well worth it. And the medals you give to your crew, will be well appreciated and will only improve your submarine operations in the future. There it is, the abridged version of Stinkhammers typical war patrol.

No way of saying this without offending but....when you do, the ones who want to make 100k, finally reach it, I can teach you how to make 200k. Take this last statement with a grain of salt.

cueceleches
07-13-2005, 04:46 AM
Well, 200k in one patrol???? I would love to imagine what Lüth, Kreschtmer or Shepcke would have said about it!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Going for those numbers makes SH3 become a shoot-shoot game instead of a sim...Though I would like to try just once and see how it feels! Anyway, I keep my more reasonable scores of 35k to 60k per patrol...it makes me feel more comfortable.

Faamecanic
07-13-2005, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:

TO MAKE 100K ON YOUR PATROLS DO THE FOLLOWING>

1.Make your way north of Ireland and even with Loch Ewe, head west to the white water area on the map and sit. Convoys galore roll through there.


You must be doing this EARLY in the war. Do this after 1943 in shallow water and your as good as dead.

I dont know how many times I have stalked a convoy, waited for best firing position, taken out a few tankers, only to have my best efforts to evade teh escorts be a fruitless effort.

I go silent, dive, vary depths, speed up to standard after DC attacks, knuckle left/right, go UNDER convoys for cover.... only to be picked up by ASDIC and DC'ed to death. It seems to be REALLY hard to avoid escorcts late 1943 out to end of war, especially if there are 4 or 5 escorts.

Maybe I just suck at evasion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Grey004
07-13-2005, 10:12 AM
I do use Stinks method and I must say it works,(playing at 89% realism).

However,I don't travel up to Loch Ewe but stay south and slightly south west of Ireland,BF 11 to BF16,foraying a little north of BF 13,occasionally.

You don't often encounter convoys,but you do get a lot of small tankers,T2's +3's and C2's +3's in the earlier years then 42 onwards there is a build up of Liberty and Victory ships.They all generally run together in two's.

I've hit the 100k mark quite alot,but I don't go all out to achieve this,I generally take out anything that floats and flies ,unless odds are against me.Giving me an average tonnage of between 45 to 87k per patrol plus the renown for the seagulls that spit at me.

But getting back to the original question,it invariably depends on weather conditions.In heavy winds and fog at most 3 fish any other time 1 or 2,depending whether or not I fluffed the 1st shot.

A little tip is,if you are unsure that a single fish will send one to the bottom. Set up 2 fish for a salvo at 9m depth with 0deg spread and target either dead centre or at engine room no more than 800m and no less than 380m,then let rip.

Like in real life,you'll get lucky with a single hit and sink.

stinkhammer6
07-13-2005, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by cueceleches:
Well, 200k in one patrol???? I would love to imagine what Lüth, Kreschtmer or Shepcke would have said about it!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Going for those numbers makes SH3 become a shoot-shoot game instead of a sim...Though I would like to try just once and see how it feels! Anyway, I keep my more reasonable scores of 35k to 60k per patrol...it makes me feel more comfortable.

You should then try to get at least 40k, simply for the fact at that tonnage sunk you get the german cross in gold, provided your crew has the ajoining iron crosses to allow them to receive the medal. Always break the 40k mark at any costs. Ive had a bad bad baaaad day like 2 days ago where all was going wrong, all fish seemed to be in dud mode, pure stormy weather etc. Get 40k just for the medal so you will have one less member of your crew suffer from fatigue, I dont care what you have to do, pass up small ships, fire multiple shots at tankers, if you are at 38k and no fish left, do what ever it takes, ram stuff, surface and have your best sailor wing a curry wurst at the the ships pilot and knock him out.

Im in 42 and it is getting tougher, more escorts and planes to bother you and sneak up on you. I couldnt get near a convoy last night due to the escorts so I went as deep as I could of about 160m and ahead slow, I checked my TDC screen and zoomed in and seen I was within range of the lead tanker, a second was behind it so I crept up a little further and went to P depth, started getting pinged and some DD were moving in on me.

I threw up the scope, found the tanker in the front, set a solution and fired, found the aft tanker behind it, solution and fired. Lowered scope and dove deep again on flank. The first tanker went down, the second one was damaged but not sunk. I was going flank under the convoy heading out the opposite side, by doing this it generally forces the escorts to the one side, front and back to follow you into the convoy slowing them down, leaving only 1-2 to possibly pick you up. I then, while in the middle of the convoy went to a quick quiet on ahead slow and coasted out the other side.

After some wiggling around and getting depth charged several times I did manage to get out of there with one tanker down. Tough, yes it was but still possible. Also, what about sending off a salvo of impacts all set on 6m depth on medium FAAE? Fire and stay back just enough out of escort range and watch the chrono while looking out your scope. Ill be trying this when the escorts in convoys get a little tougher and later on in the year.