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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 01:54 PM
Get rid of this stupid trim (cheat) capability once and for all. It's ridiculous that this one thing has totally screwed up this game. Put trim on a slider and you almost don't need an elevator.

All you have to do is limit trim to only a few clicks negative and positive. Why does your trim allow so much variance? A plane can loop with trim alone. Totally stupid. And all it does it make cheaters happy.

Fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 01:54 PM
Get rid of this stupid trim (cheat) capability once and for all. It's ridiculous that this one thing has totally screwed up this game. Put trim on a slider and you almost don't need an elevator.

All you have to do is limit trim to only a few clicks negative and positive. Why does your trim allow so much variance? A plane can loop with trim alone. Totally stupid. And all it does it make cheaters happy.

Fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 02:02 PM
Learn to fly.

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 02:04 PM
Apparently RBJ's absence has left a vacuum

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 09:12 PM
May his mono-brow rest in peace.

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georgeo76 wrote:
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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 09:32 PM
The__Dude wrote:
- Get rid of this stupid trim (cheat) capability once
- and for all. It's ridiculous that this one thing
- has totally screwed up this game. Put trim on a
- slider and you almost don't need an elevator.
-
- All you have to do is limit trim to only a few
- clicks negative and positive. Why does your trim
- allow so much variance? A plane can loop with trim
- alone. Totally stupid. And all it does it make
- cheaters happy.
-
- Fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh come on now......is THAT your only beef??!!

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 09:54 PM
Anyway, he has reason: trim plus control surfaces shouldn't allow a plane to make turns beyond aerodynamical limits. This is an issue of the FMs in this game.

If that was posible, then every WW2 aircraft would have had this actioned together with the controls, but the main reason for an aircraft not making tighter turns is not the control surfaces not moving further, but speed, mass distribution and air resistance.

Some people are taking combat profit of a feature that's not well adjusted to reality.

And RBJ was their living god. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-14-2003, 09:56 PM
The__Dude wrote:
- Get rid of this stupid trim (cheat) capability once
- and for all. It's ridiculous that this one thing
- has totally screwed up this game. Put trim on a
- slider and you almost don't need an elevator.

But:

1. Smoke
2. Extrenal views
3. Padlock


... are not cheating too? It's a game mate ... go back to the Noobs playing Lock-on. You dont need trim there /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 12:03 AM
The__Dude wrote:
- Get rid of this stupid trim (cheat) capability once
- and for all. It's ridiculous that this one thing
- has totally screwed up this game. Put trim on a
- slider and you almost don't need an elevator.
-
- All you have to do is limit trim to only a few
- clicks negative and positive. Why does your trim
- allow so much variance? A plane can loop with trim
- alone. Totally stupid. And all it does it make
- cheaters happy.
-
- Fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-

And to think, just a couple of days ago, I asked 'Where is RBJ'?

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XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 12:10 AM
georgeo76::
-- Apparently RBJ's absence has left a (power) vacuum

They are now Jockeying for the vacant position.

XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 03:17 PM
I see the average IQ around here hasn't improved any and only two of you responders can read.

Let me state this slowly for the others:

RBJ wants Oleg to make his trim slider work quicker.

I want Oleg to get rid of the wide trim variance completely. Set limits on trim so that it cannot be exploited. You think that's n00bish then you're just excusing your own use of it.

The only reason anybody would want to keep it is to exploit it. And many of you are. You won't admit it, but you are.

those who can read with comprehension may reply.

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XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 03:25 PM
I got a little rolly thing on my joystick that trims next to the throttle slider works a treat.

Oh and my chair has up / down and I can swivel it in circles hurrah.

10 Days to XMas.

michapma
12-15-2003, 03:33 PM
Dude,

Can you explain what you mean about wide trim variance? I'm familiar with the effects of using trim in IL-2 and remember reading RBJ's theses about the shift trick in FB. I've been away a few months and honestly don't know what you mean. I always understood that the root of the problem was with the energy retention and lack of airframe stress modeling in trim-induced tight turns.

I kind of figured that the slow-down-the-application-of-trim fix was unfortunate, since it doesn't address the real problem, and I don't like the slow application of trim since I consider it unrealistic and it makes trimming for level flight and climbs harder.

So what have I missed?

Mike

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XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 03:33 PM
Just to be different I've mapped throttle to my slide.
You should give it a go - it's great! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 05:21 PM
Oleg needs to un-feck the flight models and then speed trim back up.

All other recomendations are just dumb.

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XyZspineZyX
12-15-2003, 05:29 PM
Cheesy exploits (trim on a slider for bat turns - Externals for blackouts - so on) are for pansies that never learned to really fly and fight in this game.

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