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MRsteve
10-21-2004, 12:18 PM
Hi all-first post!,
About a month ago, I formatted my PC and naturally installed FB+AEP before really finishing the set up of the operating system.

So I play AEP happily smiling everytime my high spec PC went into a seizure at 0 range with my favourite me262 and at other times of extreme graphical use.

So I carry on setting up the PC, but instead of using microsoft JAVA (is that there by default) I installed the SUN JAVA RUNTIME files, well my framerates soared with no freezing whatsoever for the first time ever....

Was that the day you replaced the crappy system you dare to call high spec? you may ask. No and nor was it, it would seem, a coincidence....

Tonight I told a friend on HL about this and he curiously installed the said file....he then joined my server........

FRIEND ON SERVER - "WTF 40fps on PERFECT...Never before" he cries!!!!!

Here is the link
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html


The file is second from top called
J2SE v 1.4.2_06 JRE

I will not be held responsible for your water coolers exploding or your keyboard warping or similar.....Only try this is you are confident in installing/uninstalling software.

Comp guys, any reason for this?

Thanks for reading, hope it helps
MRsteve http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


3 more people have tryed it with 100% success!

Hawk_9th
10-21-2004, 01:16 PM
thanks for the heads up man ill have to test it tonite for myself just intime for pf perfect

BSS_Goat
10-21-2004, 01:36 PM
Hawk: Let me know how it works maybe you can talk me through it ....(Im a computer dumb@$$)

Old_Canuck
10-21-2004, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawk_9th:
thanks for the heads up man ill have to test it tonite for myself just intime for pf perfect <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif I'll just keep watching this thread until the tech_savvy guys get it sorted out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sunflower1
10-21-2004, 01:40 PM
Oh yeah, let's keep track of this!!!!

Zen--
10-21-2004, 01:44 PM
Interesting that you mention this and thanks btw...I had already installed this a few weeks ago because of a java problem unrelated to FB/ACES, but I noticed offhandly that my FPS had improved online. I didn't put much thought into it until now, I just figured the server was running more smoothly than normal.


In PF I routinely have above 45fps in perfect mode compared to the 25 in ACES....I'll need to check ACES again to verify if there is an actual improvement but I thought I had noticed one. I wonder if this version of Java is the reason....hmmm.


<S>

MRsteve
10-21-2004, 02:40 PM
Thks for reading guys/gals.

Old_Canuck do you fly as Crazy_Canuck in HL?

TheJoyStick
10-21-2004, 04:29 PM
Wow.. PF with perfect settings I don't stutter at all anymore, whereas before I had stutter if I looked around, or something like that.

Especially when flying over bases with flak. Not a stutter at all anymore.


Also, I can have more than 2 Bittorrent DLs going at once, when before my PC would crash if I had 2 or more running.


I'm not sure if the update contributes to my sudden increase in performance in PF, but I sure thank you for fixing my BT =)


P.S. - I don't know how to check FPS in-game, which is why I'm not sure if there was a difference or not.



Dell p4 1.5/512MB RAM/ radeon 9600 pro

WTE_Dukayn
10-21-2004, 04:43 PM
How bizarre. Will have to try this

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-21-2004, 04:50 PM
IL2 uses java in its scripting process. I would assume this Sun Java is better then Microsofts.

=S=

SeaFireLIV
10-21-2004, 04:53 PM
Well I` confused. How`d you know what your computer`s running and how to change it? Sounds complicated...

MRsteve
10-21-2004, 04:53 PM
good call HaVoK thats what I was thinking, wasnt sure how il2 used the java though - now I know

Steve

Enjoy the extra FPS guys

Old_Canuck
10-21-2004, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MRsteve:
Thks for reading guys/gals.

Old_Canuck do you fly as Crazy_Canuck in HL? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not me. Haven't been in Hyperlobby for a long long time.

BTW, great use of symbolism in your latest 'toon SeaFireLIV

VW-IceFire
10-21-2004, 05:12 PM
So where do you grab this file? I've actually got a Sun Java runtime going but its an older one. Is there is a new one that makes a difference.

MRsteve
10-21-2004, 05:15 PM
not sure if version makes a differance...check top of thread for link/info.


Been told this improves COD also ;-)

MRsteve

LeadSpitter_
10-21-2004, 05:54 PM
Thx for the post Mrsteve. I got a noticable increase in fps. I was a little skeptical seeing everyone talking about it on HL and it being your first post and all but decided to give it a go anyways.

I got 10-20fps extra under 1000m with gunsite view over the large cities and 30 extra fps at 5000m.

I suggest everyone try this you will be happy.

gates123
10-21-2004, 05:59 PM
thats almost as good as a vcard upgrade. nice work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Lateralus_14
10-21-2004, 06:01 PM
What do I have to do with this? Do I have to uninstall or reconfigure something? Or do I just downoad the file and run it?

LStarosta
10-21-2004, 06:09 PM
I really see no increase, but that's probably due to my old, crappy rig.

Yeah, install and run the software like any normal installer.

Freycinet
10-21-2004, 06:18 PM
any need to uninstall the default (?) microsoft java first?

(on XP)

rvaneyk
10-21-2004, 06:33 PM
this is realy amazing .....no stuttering no framerate fluctuations no freezing anymore ..........Bravo !!! :-)

Stanger_361st
10-21-2004, 06:49 PM
Do you start the wep page java program or just start the game I saw no increase in FPS

stelr
10-21-2004, 06:50 PM
Sounds great! Can anyone answer the previously asked question regarding whether or not one must first "uninstall" the Windows default version?

Zatorski
10-21-2004, 06:52 PM
I believe this, I remeber a long time ago it took forever to save a track and some fellow wrote a program that optimized java on your machine and voila, track saved in seconds. I am sure that was incorporated into the game code on later releases. I had an older version of Java, thanks for the reminder to upgrade.

9th_Spitin
10-21-2004, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJoyStick:
Wow.. PF with perfect settings I don't stutter at all anymore, whereas before I had stutter if I looked around, or something like that.

Especially when flying over bases with flak. Not a stutter at all anymore.


Also, I can have more than 2 Bittorrent DLs going at once, when before my PC would crash if I had 2 or more running.


I'm not sure if the update contributes to my sudden increase in performance in PF, but I sure thank you for fixing my BT =)


P.S. - I don't know how to check FPS in-game, which is why I'm not sure if there was a difference or not.



Dell p4 1.5/512MB RAM/ radeon 9600 pro <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You post this in the UBI IL2 forum. LOL. I just hope you intend on buying the game as well.

TheJoyStick
10-21-2004, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:


You post this in the UBI IL2 forum. LOL. I just hope you intend on buying the game as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Already did.

9th_Spitin
10-21-2004, 07:07 PM
Just saying that you admit to downloading bittorrents and you also have PF already when most dont.

stelr
10-21-2004, 07:15 PM
[Bump]

Uninstall default java 1st....or just download and install?

v/r
Stel

TX-EcoDragon
10-21-2004, 07:18 PM
Cool!

I haven't tested it, but will get going on it, sounds like it must be worth it!

Oh and there are lots of things that people download with BitTorrent that are plenty legal. . .

*Bump*

9th_Spitin
10-21-2004, 07:20 PM
rgr, and maybe jumped the gun, but I just want to see Oleg make a profit on this so it will be worth his time to do more great sims.

Sorry for taking this off topic.

Merlin (FZG_Immel)
10-21-2004, 07:23 PM
tried here, and no improvements neither losses of FPS..

it sux. such things never works with me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tsisqua
10-21-2004, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
Just saying that you admit to downloading bittorrents and you also have PF already when most dont. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man! OT, but this is the 3rd time I have seen someone accused of piracy for owning PF. It is OUT in Europe, and anyone that wants to can have it shipped from there. It is out for sale, already . . . just not here where I live, so I am waiting like a kid on Christrmas Eve http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now, I already have the Sun Java, but I am off to update it. I remember that I had serious Java problems last year, and this would be a welcome fix, providing that it works for me as well as it seems to have for some of us.


Thanks for the heads up, and, Oh yeah . . .

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif Welcome To The Madness http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

tsisqua
10-21-2004, 07:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
rgr, and maybe jumped the gun, but I just want to see Oleg make a profit on this so it will be worth his time to do more great sims.

Sorry for taking this off topic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good on you, Mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

TheJoyStick
10-21-2004, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
Just saying that you admit to downloading bittorrents and you also have PF already when most dont. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No problem.

RealHondo
10-21-2004, 08:03 PM
1) The most recent Sun Java Runtime Environment is 1.5 (they even call it Java 5)

2) Once the MS Java Runtime Environement (or virtual machine) is installed it can't be uninstalled. Recent MS operating systems should be able to deny access to it and allow usage of a Sun JRE.

Bearcat99
10-21-2004, 08:38 PM
I did notice a slight increase.. and it is a bit smoother.. I just installed it over the old one. Berlin is a lto smoother and that was always one of the killer maps.

BfHeFwMe
10-21-2004, 08:51 PM
Even UBI permits use of bittorrent to help distribute it's official patches, the best and quickest way to get them sometimes. Many other legit uses, why would he be testing the game and running two more downloads of it? Easy on the trigger big guy.

adlabs6
10-21-2004, 09:32 PM
I uninstalled my previous Sun Java version prior to installing this new version. I didn't notice any change in perfect mode at 1280x1024x32. It still chugs with the framerate in the teens like it did before. Are you guys talking about only perfect mode or excellent/high too? I usually run on high landscape details to allow a little more headroom on my system.

I really wish that PF could have included a better water effect for medium detail level users. Even LockOn's water on medium looks and runs great on my PC. This screenshot is a crop from a 1280x1024, and was taken on all LOW settings, except for medium water. Framerate was 46 in this shot, but in the pit and in combat its between 25 to 50, same as FB for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/adlabs6/ScreenShot_046.jpg

MRsteve
10-22-2004, 03:54 AM
Hi all again, Im so glad this has helped some of you.....I personally didnt remove any files before install, but this maybe the right thing to do.

Any chance of stickying this somewhere? I think its gonna help a few more people yet.

Once again glad it helped some of you

MRsteve http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BSS_Goat
10-22-2004, 03:58 AM
Bump
How about some install tips.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
10-22-2004, 04:40 AM
AFAIK some time ago MS lost a legal battle with SUN and so lost the right to its Java Virtual Machine (JVM). They therefore reissued their XP Service Pack 1 which simply had the MS JVM pulled out of it. If you have installed your OS and SP1 in the last six months or so (could even be the last year) you shouldn't have the MS JVM on your system. e.g.,; http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8699

As stated by RealHondo, SUN fixed their JVM so much recently that they called it version 5 rather than version 1.5. See this Inquirer article for more details;

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18798

I installed v5 on my work computer and indeed it is faster. Forgot to update it on my gaming computer. Will give it a go tonight. Thx for reminding me. If FB/PF uses Java code, it must call on the JVM to compile it at runtime, so the relevant part of the game should run somehwat faster. However, whether you notice it or not will all depend on whether the FB/PF java code was a bottleneck or not. i.e., yo might find improvements for low to middle end systems but nothing noticable for high end systems. YMMV.

The SUN JVM is a program like any other program you install on your computer. It sets its system associations to .jar files. When a .jar file is executed, Windows starts up the SUN JVM which then reads in the .jar file, compiles it into the local machine language (in this case Windows) and then runs the code.

To check if you already have the SUN JVM on your computer, just go to Add/Remove Programs and look for something like "J2SE Runtime Environment X", or "Java 2 Runtime Environment, SE 1.X", X being your current version. Uninstall it and reboot. Then install the latest J2SE and reboot. The latest SUN JVM can be obtained from here;

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp

Choose "Download JRE" in the middle of the page, half way down.

If you have the older MS JVM on your machine, uninstalling it is not so straightforward. Look here for the instructions;

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555107

This is only for Windows XP. Make a system restore point, read the instructions a couple of times, drink a stong cup of coffee...

Alexi

BBloke
10-22-2004, 04:51 AM
Thanks Alexi,

I was just about to post the legal bit about Sun and MS and MSVM being pulled from SP1.

If anyone is curious on whether they have Java then check here:

www.trend.com (http://www.trend.com)

Click on Personal and start a "Scan Now!"

The intergace uses a java program and checks to see if you have a compatible version and what it is. If you dont it will ask if you wish to install SunJava.

Just another 2 cents into the pot.

PS: forgot to mention its a online virus scanner

WTE_Dukayn
10-22-2004, 06:20 AM
Well I've put the SUN JVM on and yeah, WAY less stuttery in FB/AEP. Good find.

Marek_Steele
10-22-2004, 06:25 AM
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp

Just to add, this page should give you a more detailed info about VM running.

Again you can find java 5.0 here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
Just select J2SE 5.0 R2

There are even RC bins for windows64

BSS_Goat
10-22-2004, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Dukayn:
Well I've put the SUN JVM on and yeah, WAY less stuttery in FB/AEP. Good find. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you unistall old or just run the installer?

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-22-2004, 07:09 AM
A little smoother here and many things (not just FB) run better/load faster. In most cases gains are marginal, but I'll take whatever I can get.

I just did the install over what I had without removing anything.

TB

NippleCorn
10-22-2004, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RealHondo:

2) Once the MS Java Runtime Environement (or virtual machine) is installed it can't be uninstalled. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not according to this link:

http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/38206/38206.html

It worked for me!

Marek_Steele
10-22-2004, 08:00 AM
If it happens as with manual 1.4 series installs, It won't install over but parallel being 1.5 the one used by default. If you instaled over go to add/remove and check if you now have 2 uninstall options one for 1.5, other for 1.4. Also check on c:\progra~1\java how many dirs you have, and then on Control Panel if you have two different shortcuts, one being "java" and the other "java plug in".
I'd uninstall first given past experience.

Puck1
10-22-2004, 08:07 AM
Wow that worked great for me. Thanks Steve!

Philipscdrw
10-22-2004, 09:26 AM
This isn't likely to cause security issues or anything?

gates123
10-22-2004, 09:40 AM
I was actually able to run perfect at a somewhat playable manner, online even with an ATI9800pro. Before I couldn't even play offline. Excellent settings online is now butter which I couldn't do before. I always thought is was a cpu bottleneck in my AMD 2500+ (1.8ghz). Guess not. Again great find.

adlabs6
10-22-2004, 09:43 AM
Ok, now I'm lost.

Which version of Java are we talking about? The original poster claims that J2SE v 1.4.2_06 JRE helped improve his game. Now I see that Java 1.5 (5) is being mentioned as better? Is Java 1.5 better by default?

I just installed J2SE v 1.4.2_06 JRE yesterday, I guess I'll have to uninstall and get Java 1.5 now.

ScorpionITA5
10-22-2004, 09:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NippleCorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RealHondo:

2) Once the MS Java Runtime Environement (or virtual machine) is installed it can't be uninstalled. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not according to this link:

http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/38206/38206.html

It worked for me! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the link above I found this:

- No need to uninstall MSJVM. First downlaod sun java from http://java.sun.com/getjava/index.html. When installed, after about 10 minutes, ensure the check box is ticked for Java (Sun) in internet explorer - tools - internet options - advanced. Then uncheck all the tabs from the settings in internet explorer - tools - internet options - advanced - Microsft VM.This should be just below Java (Sun). Then reboot and forget about it.

- do not uninstall microsoft java unless you really need to and know what you are doing. If you play games on sites such as msn zone and pogo.com microsoft java is needed. I have just finished fixing a pc with Xp that the user was having problems on a few sites. The sun java is good but some sites require microsoft java. Also in Xp sun java cannot be made the default with ease. Many people find that on a reboot they have problems with some pages and quite a few game sites. If you have deleted microsoft java and want it back do a websearch for it. There are many sites that have the microsoft java download.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
10-22-2004, 01:06 PM
My home computer has never had MS JVM on it and in two years I've never noticed a problem with viewing web pages, playing games, etc.

Alexi

sunflower1
10-22-2004, 01:12 PM
Howdy folks,

I'm running a 6 week old installation of XP SP2. I just installed the Java5 and it didn't seem to make any difference in anything that I've noticed yet. I went into IE options and did those things, though I don't use IE except to visit the mother ship.

I didn't seem to have any other Java in add/remove and no JavaVM in the list on the advanced tab.

LStarosta
10-22-2004, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
Just saying that you admit to downloading bittorrents and you also have PF already when most dont. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I download game updates and demos via bit torrent. Arrest me.

adlabs6
10-22-2004, 01:55 PM
Ok, I removed JRE 1.4.2_06 and installed Java 5. Perfect mode is the same for me. Still the biggest killer of performance isn't the water, but those palm trees everywhere. They drop the framerate to single digits when they draw in.

AWL_Spinner
10-22-2004, 02:02 PM
Ok, the version of Service Pack 1 WITHOUT MS Java is actually described as "1a" by Microsoft (go to their downloads page and the file is xpsp1a_en_x86.exe).

I'm doing a rebuild of XP this weekend in readiness for PF (well, not only that, it's been a while and my system is getting flakey).

Hence, currently install will be :

XP
SP1a
SP2
Sun Java 1_5_0
DirectX 9.0c
Catalyst 4.10

Then everything else.

Cheers, Spinner

From the Microsoft FAQ :

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Technical Changes
€ Windows XP SP1a does not include or install the Microsoft VM, which provides support for running Java programs.

Note If you are running Windows XP or Windows XP SP1 with the Microsoft VM, you can continue to update the Microsoft VM by using Windows Update. If you are running Windows XP without the Microsoft VM, you do not have to install updates to the Microsoft VM. Therefore, these updates are not offered to you when you visit Windows Update. Microsoft is no longer able to provide a download of the Microsoft VM for computers that do not already have the Microsoft VM installed.

For more information, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/java

To determine if you are running the Microsoft VM, follow these steps:
1. Click Start, and then click Run.
2. Type cmd, and then click OK.
3. At the command prompt, type jview and then press ENTER.

If you are not running the Microsoft VM, you receive the following error message:
'jview' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One13
10-22-2004, 06:52 PM
I have installed the lastest version of Java but when I test it on the java website it still says I have an old version of windowsVM and I could install a newer version of java. Should I deinstall the windows version, and if so how?

JG54_Arnie
10-23-2004, 04:59 AM
Hmm, very usefull. For me it didnt increase FPS a lot, but I lost the stutter I always got when the enemy gets close. For example in a quick mission where I practise gunnery with 8 Fw's vs some VVS scum. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I always got a stutter of a second or more when the enemy got within firing range, so I never shot in the first engagement, but now this stutter is completely gone.. Very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-23-2004, 05:50 AM
Some genuinely useful information an excellent first post!

congratulations and welcome!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

609IAP_Recon
10-23-2004, 06:52 AM
You think this will speed up the generation of a mission - it's always been very slow for me across all versions of IL2?

S 8
10-23-2004, 07:31 AM
Dunno if it that java or my internet connection but suddenly the browser just fly throught webpages.It just loads up in a second.Haven´t check if there is any imrovment of the game fps yet tho.

AlGroover
10-23-2004, 07:37 AM
A noticeable improvement for me to. LOMAC seems to run better as well.

GH_Klingstroem
10-23-2004, 08:02 AM
Yup my FB runs smoother now as well! thx a lot!!

westcoastphil
10-23-2004, 08:06 AM
Big improvement on web page load ups and in fact the reply window for this forum. I'm using Firefox BTW.

Furthermore I can now run perfect with only the slightest hint of microstutter over the forest. I'm running a 9800 pro 128Mb with and AMD64+ 3000.
Thanks for the tip.

scottmal1
10-23-2004, 08:49 AM
knowing absolutely nothing about 'java' etc, does this only improve framerates when playing online? or does it also improve framerates when playing offline.

73GIAP_Milan
10-23-2004, 08:57 AM
Normally i'm very sceptic and cautious with such things, but after following this thread for 3 pages i gave it a go....

Webbrowsing has'nt improved much (****ty ISP http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif) but my il2 has improved...
Il2 Sturmovik: untested YET
Il2/FB - Where i could not fly missions first due to stutters it all now goes much more smooth... i still feel like testing it more...

Anyway: Thanks and great 1st post, superb entry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Hawgdog
10-23-2004, 10:44 AM
Web browsing the same, fast cable.
Black death track, same or even possibly a couple FPS less in perfect, BUT, BUT the color is way different. Much better, Oddly better. I forgot what the things were supposed to look like
Good tip
~S~

609IAP_Recon
10-23-2004, 10:51 AM
I'll try it out - no pauses is worth more than any FPS increase...

Timex62
10-23-2004, 11:22 AM
THIS IS FANTASTIC! Before my low end rig would only run at medium settings with no more than 12 planes total. Now I can put the settings to high (and a couple of excellents) and run 24+ aircraft without a problem. This is a whole new game for me. I have never flown online due to the limitations I had, but now even with a 56K connection I might have to give online a try! Thank you so very much MRsteve! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

T_O_A_D
10-23-2004, 01:12 PM
Huh how did you surf and Use IE without Java I have to install it every time I do a format, why well because I test my internet speed using this page http://chi.speakeasy.net/ it requires JAVa to work. I use firefox anymore though.

Dang good tip I guess for the people that have lived without it for so long.

Philipscdrw
10-23-2004, 01:29 PM
I don't think anyone heard me the first time!

DOES this cause ANY SECURITY ISSUES for the PC? Is the source trusted? Is it safe to replace a core system with a 3rd party componant??

Please someone answer me!

Thanks

Tully__
10-23-2004, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
I don't think anyone heard me the first time!

DOES this cause ANY SECURITY ISSUES for the PC? Is the source trusted? Is it safe to replace a core system with a 3rd party componant??

Please someone answer me!

Thanks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sun Microsystems invented Java. Microsoft only copied it. (Edit: and not copied very well by some accounts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Sun_Ra
10-23-2004, 01:54 PM
Being a dolt, and not knowing much about the in's and out's of pc's and after reading the topic a few times i installed the JSE Runtime. Didn't notice any change in Black Death Track. Is this Runtime deal just utilized during on-line play? Thanks.

Loki-PF
10-23-2004, 02:13 PM
TOAD,

I think you are right in the sense that one must have java installed to do many things....But the point is most people have an older crappy (MS) java virtual machine. This new one is evidently much better and more efficient etc. hence the boost.

T_O_A_D
10-23-2004, 03:03 PM
Yeh I know Loki http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But my system and XP never did much of anything without the better Java. So I did it long ago and never realized I had made an improvment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif And I just reloaded machne 3 weeks ago is this file newer than that if so I'll go get it too.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
10-23-2004, 03:45 PM
I found no perceivable increase in performance in going from 1.4.2 to 1.5 (aka 5). In Black Death I saw a 1 FPS increase which could simply be a normal level of variation.

See the thread in the SimHQ forums wrt andrew's point that FB uses its own JVM, not you OS's JVM.

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=013122

Perhaps it's time Oleg updated the JVM that comes with FB/PF?

Alexi

pterodactyl77
10-23-2004, 04:04 PM
would this help w/ a ME based system? i don't fully understand this yet, but am interested, as my older system could use a boost as so advertised...

Lucius_Esox
10-23-2004, 04:29 PM
LOl,
I am a very big sceptic about this sort of thing because not to put to fine a point on it I am a bit if a Nurd when it comes to b/marks fps etc and have heard lots of claims, which, in my expereince dont seem to be substantuated. The most recent being the 4.10 cats, which apart from visual quality did squat for my fps, which was pretty average result from what I have read. I have to say at the outset my fps gain is enough to notice but that is not really what has changed that much. Cant explain it but it really does run faster. Stutters thus far appear to have been eliminated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The whole shebang runs smoother/better. I noticed someone saying that the biggest difference would come to low/mid range m/c, mine is mid range by todays standards. Have only played about half an hour but this is the best performance tweek I'VE EVER SEEN FOR A GAME,,, so far http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Still testing, and smiling.

XP2800, 9800pro, 768 pc2700, Ga7vaxp mobo, 5.1 live. Os Xp pro sp1, Directx 9.0c, cat4.9's (doomfix version)

TheJoyStick
10-23-2004, 04:45 PM
I never was able to play IL2FB campaigns, but I tried em a little bit ago and they ran fine.

Threadstarter - You rock, man.

Tully__
10-23-2004, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pterodactyl77:
would this help w/ a ME based system? i don't fully understand this yet, but am interested, as my older system could use a boost as so advertised... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what Java is currently installed on your machine.

scottmal1
10-24-2004, 03:00 AM
I'll ask again! doe's this java 'thing' improve offline play or online play only??

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-24-2004, 03:03 AM
YES

I would imagine that if you gain any performance increase from it at all, it will be both on and offline as the java code is used by the game engine itself.

So should apply to both flavour's of play, both on and off line

tanimbar
10-24-2004, 03:42 AM
Hello,
I have a low-end PC - AMD xp 1900 and FX5700 - I followed Andrew's tip on SimhQ

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=013122

and replaced Oleg's Java with Sun's 1.5. My Blackdeath runs went from 22 Average to 24. That's a big increase, on my rig, for a little effort. The game is also smoother now.

Thumbs up. Well done and thanks.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
10-24-2004, 04:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tanimbar:
Hello,
I have a low-end PC - AMD xp 1900 and FX5700 - I followed Andrew's tip on SimhQ

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=013122

and replaced Oleg's Java with Sun's 1.5. My Blackdeath runs went from 22 Average to 24. That's a big increase, on my rig, for a little effort. The game is also smoother now.

Thumbs up. Well done and thanks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tanimbar, try changing something in IL2FBSetup and then see if your game will start again. Mine didn't. I had to go back to the original java.

Alexi

Schutze_S
10-24-2004, 07:50 AM
Great post MRSteve I can see some ppl are seeing improvements http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Is this the correct way to have it set up?

http://www.schutze.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Images/Java.gif

johneeutah
10-24-2004, 09:42 AM
Some help I found for uninstalling M$ Java (create a system restore point first):

"There is easy way to uninstall microsoft java virtual machine completly, just use Microsoft's unmsjvm tool

Uninstaller is no longer distributed by Microsoft, but you can download it from http://jlpz.free.fr/msn/misc/unmsjvm.exe

See uninstall.log http://google.fi/groups?threadm=p90hd095qmrr56ipnaq7mkf0rr77r9chpj@ 4ax.com

It is known issue that unmsjvm breaks Internet Explorer's applet tag support, but this is not problem anymore since Sun Java 1.4.2_05 fixes the problem during installation.


Digitale -July 30, 2004 (Article Rating: "


...then install Sun 1.5.

Hope this helps,

johneeutah

WUAF_Badsight
10-24-2004, 01:48 PM
i had Suns 1.42 JAVA on my computer as i found that Java had been taken off by a SP1 re-install (i think)

some web-sites wouldnt load / run properly for me is why i went hunting for Java

anyway

after i installed 1.5 JAVA from SUN i went to my add/remove feature & it listed 2 installs of J2SE runtime enviroment

one was 1.42 & it was 100 Mb-ish & the other was 1.5 & was 70-ish Mb

at this point i still hadnt started FB or run it , but i thought it would probably be best to un-install both & only have one installed (wish i had done at least a small bit of testing first now looking back)

after the re-install of 1.5 (or J2SE 5.0 as its also called) having only this new version of java on my computer i can say that my games FPS isnt really faster

maybe just 1 or 2 on average but what is noticeable is that i seem to have FB run a bit smoother , pauses seem to be slightly less now .

jetsetsam
10-24-2004, 02:11 PM
Yes the game is smoother in Perfect, and I no longer get the stutters each time there is radio communication

TacticalYak3
10-25-2004, 06:06 AM
Just to add yet another testimonial.

My system - P4 2.8GHz, 1GB RDRAM, Radeon 9700TX (128MB) with CAT 4.9, All graphics maxed in game on Excellent Mode.

I can play the game with 4AA/8AF achieving 55-60+ fps (as reported by FRAPS). Prior to the java install (which is the first time that I have ever used them) for the same mission I was only achieving a high 40 fps.

For me this has allowed me to increase from 2AA to 4AA while staying at my desired @60 fps.

FYI - During my testing I did notice that the java provided no real improvement when using 2AA, but for some reason became really noticeable when I switched it to 4AA. Anyone else notice this?

Vacillator
10-26-2004, 02:45 AM
And another. On an AMD XP2600, 9800Pro flashed to XT, 1GB RAM, Audigy 2ZS, bla, bla, I seem to have got rid of just about all of the minor glitches and stutters I had before. Fps numbers are up as well but I wasn't too scientific about testing so guessing at maybe another 5 to 10 in Black Death.
Thanks MRsteve!
PS Installed 1.5 straight over, with no changes to setup or deletion of MS Java.

tanimbar
10-26-2004, 02:57 AM
Alexi,
You wrote, "Tanimbar, try changing something in IL2FBSetup and then see if your game will start again. Mine didn't. I had to go back to the original java.".

I have changed IL2FBsetup a number of times since I loaded Java 1.5 and everything is fine. Looks ,ike you are out of luck. Try uninstall/install. Good luck.

MRsteve
10-26-2004, 03:02 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Do the bump, do the bumpety bump! Nearly at 1000 reads......

Im so glad this has helped so many of you, and look forward to flying against/with some of you in a non stuttering combat zone.

Its just a shame the fix stops all P2P traffic!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (joke!)

Surely theres many more fixes of this sort that would improve matters.For example how many of you with VIA chipsets know about the "VIA latency fix" or how many of you upgrade their .inf driver files for their chipset/motherboard.


GOOGLE is your friend!!!!!Get to know him!

Good hunting,
MRsteve http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

AWL_Spinner
10-26-2004, 03:17 AM
Go on then, what's the VIA latency fix? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have the VIA 4.53 Hyperion driver set, using the MS Service Pack 2 drivers for the AGP interface as recommended by VIA.

I'm guessing you probably also have lots of juicy hints and tips for BIOS settings?

Excellent thread, hope this one gets bumped for a while, thanks!

Cheers, Spinner

WUAF_Badsight
10-26-2004, 04:48 AM
im running on a old POS computer that uses VIA chips on the M/B

man o man is my interest ever sparked now . . .

Brock.Landers
10-26-2004, 06:52 AM
A noticeable improvement in smoothness. I wish I had been a bit less eager and clocked fps for a given trk file before and after but patience has never been a virtue of mine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Nevertheless, on my XP2200 / 1024Gb / 9800pro it's running smooth as glass in missions with lots of AI and scripting. I'm guessing the XP2200 is the main bottleneck in my system and therefore the Java VM has really helped take some load of the CPU.

Jim81
10-26-2004, 07:13 AM
SORRY GUYS reading these pages i lost the point of discussion !
can you tell me if i have to install this : J2re- 14206 or something else..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and do i have to uninstall something or make a set up in the game or internet explorer ? Thank you !

PS : actually on my sistem i have Java Web Start only and i m with XP + Sp 1 Thanks.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-26-2004, 07:16 AM
http://www.viaarena.com/

one source of via drivers may contain some information of use

The 'via latency fix' referes to problems such as sound distortion /crashes/ freezes caused when using creative sound blaster live cards and 'some' via chip sets.

It may relate to other issues also but I am still researching this

you may find this application useful when investigating your system specs

http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang=en&pageid=1

note that alot of the 'fixes' recomended by this software such as bios ect can be found using search engine and it should not be necessary to pay for any of them. They are simply offering to do the searching for you I got my bios upgrade simply by hunting around on the manufacturer site of my mother board. None the less the information provided by this application is very useful.

D-XXI
10-26-2004, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MRsteve:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Do the bump, do the bumpety bump! Nearly at 1000 reads......

Im so glad this has helped so many of you, and look forward to flying against/with some of you in a non stuttering combat zone.



Its just a shame the fix stops all P2P traffic!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (joke!)

Surely theres many more fixes of this sort that would improve matters.For example how many of you with VIA chipsets know about the "VIA latency fix" or how many of you upgrade their .inf driver files for their chipset/motherboard.


GOOGLE is your friend!!!!!Get to know him!

Good hunting,
MRsteve http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


MRsteve,

For more improvement do you need to replace the FB-JAVA lib as suggested in: http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=013122 ?

Did you do that also?

MRsteve
10-26-2004, 01:47 PM
In response to altering your sturmovik program folders my advice( rightly or wrongly) would be dont as this has had good and BAD effects(users unable to unload il2.exe etc) The programmers will see to this if anyone will. Just install the java runtime see where that gets you,
MRsteve

PS Has anyone else noticed that the me262 is the best of all* ;-) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif


*no response necessary ;-)

MRsteve
10-26-2004, 02:10 PM
and of course do the "BUMP" nothing but the "BUMP" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif,I hope your all Funkadelic fans, if not well I cant help ya ;-)

But really how many of ya cant go on google and find us some more fixes? its all on there and more ;-)

MRsteve

ImpStarDuece
10-26-2004, 05:59 PM
I may not be able to bounce any of you online but things get a little BUMPy when i land.

Greenwidth
10-27-2004, 07:51 AM
Strange effects for me...
Maybe +4-5 fps in PF but, when viewing a web page the the screen goes fuzzy and often resizes, stretching the page horizontally, in both IE and Firefox.
The mouse is shifted as well so i have to use keyboard to close the window, after which all is well again...
Uninstalled.

griego
10-27-2004, 01:08 PM
No change at all running with no AA or antiso.
At 1024x768 50fps looking out cockpit. Looking down 28fps to 33fps

with 2xQ AA and 2x antiso. I get slightly less fps than before.
Before 33fps looking out cockpit 25 looking down.
Now... 33fps looking out cockpit 16 to 24fps looking down.

I had Java installed with sp1 but when upgraded to SP2 I guess it uninstalled it. I couldn't find it in add/remove anyways. or in internet options adv tab.

Amd 2500+xp @2.0mhz
window xp
1024x768 res 32bit
audigy zs

GT182
11-30-2004, 09:55 AM
I just saw T_O_A_D's post referring to the MajorGeeks site. They say to uninstall Microsoft's Java.... what's up with that, won't it bugger up your PC? I thought Java was needed for your PC. Now I'm totally cornfused. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Major Geeks.com (http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35407). The scroll down to <span class="ev_code_Yellow">Keeping your computer safe and secure: </span>and read <span class="ev_code_Yellow">2.</span>

antifreeze
11-30-2004, 01:00 PM
Regarding Greenwidth's browser problems, I had that too, plus when playing back media, the players would freak out also. (Using Win2k)

Sun has zero end-user assitance on their site; it is 100% developer help. Apparently they know about the graphic instability of the newer versions though.

I uninstalled too.

carguy_
11-30-2004, 03:17 PM
Thx for bumping the thred,I just found it.Must check this out when I get home.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

norad_razor
01-06-2005, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
any need to uninstall the default (?) microsoft java first?

(on XP) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you have XP and have updated to SP1a or SP2 MS VJM won't be there. Microsoft had to remove it due to copy right issues with Sun on Java. Now I'm not a techno wizzard, I've got two IT guys who rent from me here. I ask them the hard questions.
For the record I'm running MS VJM and have seen absolutly no difference in frame rates, and No you can't dl it from MS anymore either though there are a few places on the net where you still can. It's not illegal to do so, just MS can't supply it anymore "officially"

~S~

Hawgdog
12-01-2005, 01:50 PM
still good thread, bump

Saunders1953
12-01-2005, 02:06 PM
Hawgdog: Is that a question or a statement? Because for me it's a question--will installing Sun Java Runtime files still work minor miracles after all the patches, etc. since last year?

Thanks be to anyone who knows.

Hawgdog
12-01-2005, 07:23 PM
I uninstalled any all traces of Java, sun or xp etc.
reinstalled latest version, got about 10fps more in the usual black death track.
yup, still a good post

billboyoung
12-01-2005, 07:42 PM
My new rig AMD 4000 7800GT had no Java installed and I was getting horrible stutters and pauses running perfect with water=2 even though I got 40fps on Black Death average with vsync on. It runs so smooth now thankyou so much guys, I thought I had a problem with the Audigy 2 soundcard as pauses usually occurred with pilot's voices. Anyone not sure DO IT, no gain in fps but the smoothness makes it so much more enjoyable.

Zatorski
12-01-2005, 08:01 PM
Wow, I haven't had a post notification from IL2 for ages!!
I just orderred a AMD64 dual core, and yes, I will install the newest Java runtime. This thread deserved to be reserected.

LameDuck.
12-01-2005, 08:15 PM
Here's mine:
XP SP1 no MS JRE.
Sun JRE 5.0 Update 1 coincidentally in place before installing FB+AEP+patches.
Files in the /bin/ and /lib/ untouched original.
Works fine for me. <shrug>

Happy to add to the confusion? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Saunders1953
12-01-2005, 08:22 PM
Hawgdog, Billboy, Zatorski---Thanks! I will try it out.

LameDuck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 08:23 PM
I went to the site in the link provided in the first post, but there are too many choices for someone like me. I know little about this stuff.

I'm running XP sp2. Can someone please point out exactly what I am supposed to download? Links are appreciated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz

WTE_Ibis
12-01-2005, 08:30 PM
http://www.java.com/en/download/windows_xpi.jsp

Pirschjaeger, I have windows xp prof. with update1
and 2. I downloaded and installed as instructed and
ran the black death track before and after installation.
Results: zip,nothing. exact same fps within a fraction of a frame. Maybe it works for some but I can say I found no difference at all.
Good luck.
Cheers, Ibis

.

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 08:48 PM
Ibis, I guess we have the same operating system. Thx for the link. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I built this pc last spring but simply put it together and installed the drivers. No tweaks, no configs, just everything in default. From your previous posts it seems you know a fair bit about drivers and such. Maybe you have tweaked yours to the max and that could be why you got no improvements.

I haven't downloaded the Java yet. I just finished a clean install and all the updates, including all my anti-virus silliness. That nonsense takes days with my Chinese net speed(ADSLow). I'm going to be cautious about Java.

My system:
Winfast 6800 TDH 256mb
AMD 64 3000+ Venice
Asus A8NE-FM 1.8-3.0 Ghz 939 socket
Corsair DDR 400 1G ram
550 Watts power supply

This was supposed to be a kick-a$$ setup 8 months ago but I think it's degraded to being just "ok" already. I'm gonna sell and build a new one soon.

BTW, I realize I can get a lot more out of this pc with tweaks and updates but with my limited knowledge and my sh1te net, it's just not worth the effort.

I'll let you know if I see a difference after I install Java.

Fritz

chris455
12-01-2005, 09:13 PM
I installed the Sun Jave runtime environment last year when all the hullabaloo first surfaced. It's still working good on my system with 4.02.

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 09:22 PM
Chris, your avatar text and quote are both über. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
12-02-2005, 01:25 AM
I simply installed the Java and tried the Mistel mission in single missions. I didn't find a difference. But that's not to say the Java doesn't help. I simply don't config or tweak. Everything is running on default settings.

Fritz

polak5
12-02-2005, 01:31 AM
I used to play WW2online wich takes alot of muscle on the pc.

I started playing and the game was slugish, then i reformatted(cuz i had virus).
THen i jumped back in ww2online and i could not believe how fast it would run, no lag, no static. the same went when i started this game.

Then I installed a couple of more games, and my music, photos, and vids... that was the bad part.
I played ww2online and the game was back to being statiky.

signalnorth
12-02-2005, 01:56 AM
Thanks Alexi,

I was just about to post the legal bit about Sun and MS and MSVM being pulled from SP1.

If anyone is curious on whether they have Java then check here:

http://www.trend.com

Click on Personal and start a "Scan Now!"

The intergace uses a java program and checks to see if you have a compatible version and what it is. If you dont it will ask if you wish to install SunJava.

Just another 2 cents into the pot.

PS: forgot to mention its a online virus scanner

BBloke

Can't find this 'personal' to click on. Whereabouts on the page is it?

WTE_Ibis
12-02-2005, 03:24 AM
Fritz that setup should be ok, this maybe a dumb question but do you defrag your hard drive often?
Sorry, but sometimes the simplest of things can be missed.
I know I was having a lot of trouble years ago and posted here, after many suggestions without success
I ran Nortons speed disk and win doctor.Speed disk is a defrag app and like magic every thing was much better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Pirschjaeger
12-02-2005, 03:32 AM
I defrag in safemode 3-5 times per week. It's an obsession. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

LameDuck.
12-02-2005, 09:49 AM
3-5 times each week !? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Regarding this Java issue, I haven't seen any response from the Ubi/1C Maddox team. I wonder if they might have some insight into this? Has anyone asked?

Hawgdog
12-02-2005, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by LameDuck.:
3-5 times each week !? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Regarding this Java issue, I haven't seen any response from the Ubi/1C Maddox team. I wonder if they might have some insight into this? Has anyone asked?

Same here. I'd have to guess 3-5 times a week, easily.
reboot, and play either IL2 or COD2
cheap performance boost
get CCleaner and run it before you degrag

Banger2004
12-02-2005, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by signalnorth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Thanks Alexi,

I was just about to post the legal bit about Sun and MS and MSVM being pulled from SP1.

If anyone is curious on whether they have Java then check here:

http://www.trend.com

Click on Personal and start a "Scan Now!"

The intergace uses a java program and checks to see if you have a compatible version and what it is. If you dont it will ask if you wish to install SunJava.

Just another 2 cents into the pot.

PS: forgot to mention its a online virus scanner

BBloke

Can't find this 'personal' to click on. Whereabouts on the page is it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

signalnorth, under 'Popular Resources' , Home and Home Office, click on 'Virus Scan'. Follow the instructions and a few seconds later the program tells you if you have java installed. You can then decide if you want the program to install for you, or just leave the page.