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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:52 AM
Can we get some french aircraft since they will probally be overmodeled too being olegs french and russian, we need something that can fight against the russian planes and have effective weapons both mgs and cannons.



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I would really like to see these french planes in the game, and would enjoy flying them.

Morane-Saulnier MS405/406
http://www.legendshobbies.com/classicair/CAF418%20MORANE%20SAULNIER%20M.S.jpg


Potez 630
http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Ppotez63.jpg


bloch 150 151 and 152
http://www.flottille12f.com/images/bloch150_jpg.jpg


http://www.hellas.org/military/air_force/images/mb151-1.jpg


bloch 155
http://www.flottille12f.com/images/bloch155_jpg.jpg


H. 75
http://gaubs.free.fr/--DATES--/Photos/H-75.jpg


Cauldron-Renault CR 714 Cyclone
http://mapage.noos.fr/papeguay/cr714.jpg


Dewoitine D.520
http://www.simviation.com/pageimages/d520runwy.jpg


Arsenal VG 33
http://www.flottille12f.com/images/arsenalvg33_jpg.jpg



This game needs some more prop fighters that can put up a descent fight with whats in the game. I much rather see these aircraft then concepts prototypes and planes then seen hardly any to no combat experience.






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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:52 AM
Can we get some french aircraft since they will probally be overmodeled too being olegs french and russian, we need something that can fight against the russian planes and have effective weapons both mgs and cannons.



http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/images/frenchfightersbookreviewbg_1.jpg


"LETS GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE... RETREAT RETREAT!"


jk.. dont get your new snail logo in a twirl

I would really like to see these french planes in the game, and would enjoy flying them.

Morane-Saulnier MS405/406
http://www.legendshobbies.com/classicair/CAF418%20MORANE%20SAULNIER%20M.S.jpg


Potez 630
http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Ppotez63.jpg


bloch 150 151 and 152
http://www.flottille12f.com/images/bloch150_jpg.jpg


http://www.hellas.org/military/air_force/images/mb151-1.jpg


bloch 155
http://www.flottille12f.com/images/bloch155_jpg.jpg


H. 75
http://gaubs.free.fr/--DATES--/Photos/H-75.jpg


Cauldron-Renault CR 714 Cyclone
http://mapage.noos.fr/papeguay/cr714.jpg


Dewoitine D.520
http://www.simviation.com/pageimages/d520runwy.jpg


Arsenal VG 33
http://www.flottille12f.com/images/arsenalvg33_jpg.jpg



This game needs some more prop fighters that can put up a descent fight with whats in the game. I much rather see these aircraft then concepts prototypes and planes then seen hardly any to no combat experience.






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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:06 AM
Oleg has done a proper job of modelling the French Aircraft. Most were stripped of their motors and they were used on me232 Powered Gliders.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:59 AM
yes, lets get some polish aircraft and some greek aircraft
and some belgium and chek aircraft also.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:27 AM
It'd be cool to have some Battle of France aircraft. I don't particularly care for most of the French aircraft,but I'd like to see the Dewoitine D.520. Someone was modelling it,but it remains to be seen if it'll be completed....

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:57 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Can we get some french aircraft since they will
- probally be overmodeled too being olegs french and
- russian,


Uh?

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 03:26 AM
I'll have anything French/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 04:39 AM
Why? For the most part, the French were less effective than the Poles. There were some true patriots, but, by and large, the French disintegrated into Vichy. The only real resistance offered was by the British, who were shoved into Dunkirk. There were others, including Canadians - landed in Brest after Dunkirk - who tired to make some effort, but the French just "blew" away into appeasment, other than those few outposts in North Africa, which refused to capitulate.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:25 AM
peine27 wrote:
- Why? For the most part, the French were less
- effective than the Poles. There were some true
- patriots, but, by and large, the French
- disintegrated into Vichy. The only real resistance
- offered was by the British, who were shoved into
- Dunkirk. There were others, including Canadians -
- landed in Brest after Dunkirk - who tired to make
- some effort, but the French just "blew" away into
- appeasment, other than those few outposts in North
- Africa, which refused to capitulate.
-

Read a few history books and you'll learn french fighters downed around 1000 german a/c during the battle of france. Guess what these planes would have been used for during battle of Britain if germans still had them ? lol The D520 was considered a good opponent to the 109 but was produced too late in too little quantities, so it couldn't overturn the outcome.

Just read what General Adolf Galland says about it in his book "The first and the last". You'll see I'm not inventing anything.

I guess the W.Bush propaganda about the french defeatism has made another victim lol (sorry i can't help a litttle irony).

With respect.

PS : back to the topic, we already have the MS, maybe the D520 would be cool but that's in no way a top priority for most players.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:34 AM
cigogne wrote:The D520 was considered a good
- opponent to the 109 but was produced too late in too
- little quantities, so it couldn't overturn the
- outcome. we already have the MS,
- maybe the D520 would be cool but that's in no way a
- top priority for most players.

Well,the French fighters aren't really a priority for me either,but I say if there were ever a "forgotten battle" the French fighter defense vs. the Luftwaffe would be one. With the new Western front maps this could be a reality. Most of the French fighters weren't very good from what I've read, but the D.520 wasn't one of them. It could hold it's own against the 109Es. If another French fighter is gonna be modelled,I say the D.520 should be it...


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:43 AM
I'm all for it. Western europe maps are the priority for me though. I'd like a spit mk1 and the dewo D.520

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:50 AM
I completely agree with you here, Leadspitter! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Here's hoping we get some cockpits for those Moranie-Saulniers.

I didn't know Oleg was part French. Ubi is French, obviously, but Oleg Maddox/Medoks? Naaah. Maybe he's part tatar or bashkir or something.... hard to tell by looking at photos of him, plus I don't mean to be, like, ethnically judgemental :P

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:11 PM
bumpo


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:47 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:48 PM
Question: Can we get some french aircraft?

Answer: No. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

They rather give us Japanese planes, so useful over the plains of Europe... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:55 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:

- They rather give us Japanese planes, so useful over
- the plains of Europe... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


They are useful if you want to release the game in Japan... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:01 PM
TAO-Squadron wrote:
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- They are useful if you want to release the game in
- Japan... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Now we know why the Manga-like muzzle flashes. Japanese like things like that. Soon, we'll have gigantic mechs and Pokemon monsters fighting in Kursk.

We'll have to use many rounds to defeat Godzilla!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:03 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:15 PM
TAO-Squadron wrote:
- Si tu lo dices...


Ya te digo, t*o... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:17 PM
I think you name them wrong...they are called "LIBERTY" aircrafts...you know, like the fries.

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:25 PM
Bah...

Just slip a RAFALE into LO:MAC, I'll be more than happy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Oh... now that I think of it, my, oh why, couldn't this be possible? r-a-f-a-l-e... great plane, yup.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:28 PM
I'd like to fly the D.520 !

The problem with D.520 (and with all the other French a/c) is that, after the armistice of june 25 1940, all development of was stopped. Just a very basic production, of very few planes was resumed by Germans during their occupation. At least to my knowledge.
Thus, D.520 (& Co.) would be quite obsolete compared to later WW2 a/c we have in FB.
However, it was very maneuverable and well armed (4 MG + 1 20 mm cannon), thus it would still be a match in dogfight, I guess.

The more a/c we have, the more we'll have fun !!!!
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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:40 PM
cigogne wrote:
- I guess the W.Bush propaganda about the french
- defeatism has made another victim lol (sorry i can't
- help a litttle irony).

What irony? It's true!
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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 05:06 AM
sirtaxster wrote:
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- cigogne wrote:
-- I guess the W.Bush propaganda about the french
-- defeatism has made another victim lol (sorry i can't
-- help a litttle irony).


Are you a fan too? lol

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 07:17 AM
MaxScelerate wrote:
- Bah...
-
- Just slip a RAFALE into LO:MAC, I'll be more than
- happy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Oh... now that I think of it, my, oh why,
- couldn't this be possible? r-a-f-a-l-e... great
- plane, yup.

Too modern. No style. How about some Mirage F.1s?

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fluke39
09-15-2003, 11:12 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Can we get some french aircraft since they will
- probally be overmodeled too being olegs french and
- russian, we need something that can fight against
- the russian planes and have effective weapons both
- mgs and cannons.

- Morane-Saulnier MS405/406
- Potez 630
- bloch 150 151 and 152
- bloch 155
- H. 75
- Cauldron-Renault CR 714 Cyclone
- Dewoitine D.520
- Arsenal VG 33


OK so i presume you are taking the P*ss

but as i have said before and was mentioned above i truly feel the battle of france is a forgotten battle - even in britain which is geographically next to france and even fought in the battle of france. - not only is it a forgotten battle but a forgotten battle which was an incredible event - i don't think anyone at the time thought what happened would have been possible (i think even the germans were surprised!)

therefore i would be nice to see at least some of the following - as it seems their numbers and victories are more than quite a few of the planes already featured in FB:

LeO 451 Equipped 8 first line groupes - considered frances best bomber to see combat. -used as bomber and transport by allies in N. Africa in 1942 (while spares lasted)
2,000Kg Bombload, 1 x 20mm cannon (dorsal) 1 x 7.5mm mg forward/upward


Amiot 143 Bomber - 138 built - all saw service despite being antiquitated - they were very resilient. raids included 197 night raids, dropped 338,626 lbs of bombs for loss of 4 aircraft
800Kg Bombload(external), 4 x 7.5mm mg


Potez 630/31/33 208 fighter bomber delivered before capitulation (5 fighter squadrons, 2 naval and numerous smaller units)
4 x 50Kg Bombload(external),12 x 7.5mm mg ( 3 fixed-fuselage, 4 wings,3 fixed aft,2 flexible rear)


Breguet 690 light attack bomber 224 delivered before capitulation - fought well during invasion.
29 aerial victories
8 x 50Kg Bombload(external),1 x 20mm cannon (forward) 2 x 7.5mm mg forward, 1 x 7.5mm mg rear defence


MS406 (Already modelled) - most numerous french fighter at outbreak of war and german invasion - swiss modifications of 406 were kept in service until 1959!
1 x 20mm cannon (through hub) 2 x 7.5mm mg in wings


Bloch 153 Although (Bloch 150) started badly (protype couldn't fly until bigger engine and wings were used!) the Bloch was considered a good aircraft although difficult to fly.593 were delivered by the time of capitulation equipping 8 G/C'S although it saw limited combat.
2 x 20mm cannon, 2 x 7.7mm mg or 4 x 7.5mm mg


Dewoitine D520 one G/C equipped by may 10 - another 4 G/C in time to combat luftwaffe - more were around but not in front line service. 108 confirmed victories 39 probables, for loss of 100 (including accidents/ground strafing) - considered superb fighter.
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Message Edited on 09/15/03 10:39AM by fluke39

Message Edited on 09/15/0310:41AM by fluke39

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:25 AM
You already got your French planes. They were disabled and deleted three weeks after you bought your game for historical accuracy!

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:35 AM
Just in case anyone is interested, the Dewo D520? is modelled in WW2online. From what I have learn't from flying it in game, is the fact that it can fight 09's (E) on a "even keel" more or less. Although it does tend to be a BnZ fighter rather than a TnB, its also great at altitude. Deck fighting is a no no as u will soon find it bleeding E like a stuck pig. But overall a nice ride. And this isnt a sell for WW2 its just that it seemed relevant due to the discussion in this thread.


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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 12:05 PM
Your quote "something that can fight against the russian planes " seems to show an amazing ignorance of history.

If you look up the most basic history book you may discover that France was not at war with Russia, it was actualy invaded by Germany. Unless of course you were part of the Milice, busy rounding up old ladies for deportation - but then they didn't fly planes.



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