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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 10:54 AM
Trying out the P51 for the first time the first thing that struck me was the engine sound - bit like a modern Japanese motorbike - did the mighty merlin really sound like that?makes the 109 sound like Diesel.

BTW even the AI seem to have trouble flying the P51 on a full fuel load - set up a QMB against P51's on full fuel and start at 200m then laugh your socks off as they crash trying to dodge your bullets.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 10:54 AM
Trying out the P51 for the first time the first thing that struck me was the engine sound - bit like a modern Japanese motorbike - did the mighty merlin really sound like that?makes the 109 sound like Diesel.

BTW even the AI seem to have trouble flying the P51 on a full fuel load - set up a QMB against P51's on full fuel and start at 200m then laugh your socks off as they crash trying to dodge your bullets.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:46 AM
The Stang was a notorious rookie killer with that rear tank filled because it shifted the center of gravity so far off from normal so I'm not surprised programmed routines have trouble dealing with it.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 12:11 PM
No, sadly the wonderful sound of the Merlin is not done justice, perhaps this will change.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 02:05 PM
Fbuster wrote:
- BTW even the AI seem to have trouble flying the P51
- on a full fuel load - set up a QMB against P51's on
- full fuel and start at 200m then laugh your socks
- off as they crash trying to dodge your bullets.
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Of course they have trouble; you aren't supposed to do anything other than straight and level with the rear tank full! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Here are some quotes from Richard Burns, a P-51 pilot.

"You were warned only to fly straight and level with that tank (rear fuselage) full, and not to engage in any aerobatics or sharp manoeuvres if the tank was nore than a third full."

"Normal operating procedure was to take off on the fuselage tank and draw half the fuel, then switch to the drop tanks, switching from one to the other to balance them out. This way if you got into combat and let go the drop tanks your plane was clean and in good flying trim, plus you had two full main tanks to get you home. With full drop tanks and rear fuselage tank the plane couldn't be trimmed for hands-off flight. This was tiring and you were glad when some of that fuel was gone and the centre of gravity moved forward. <u>Only once did I get into combat with a fairly full rear tank and it wasn't nice.</u> The stick forces tended to reverse in a sharp turn. On that occasion we were bounced over the sea, but happily the two enemy fighters didn't want to mix it and made off after their initial pass."

It's a mistake to think that Mustangs escorted the bombers all the way to Berlin; they didn't. A P-51 with fuel to get to Berlin would not have been much use outbound over the Channel or North Sea. That's why the escorts operated in relays, with Spitfires, P-38s and P-47s all playing a part before the P-51s took over at the longest range from home. Each wave of fighters escorted the bombers part of the way and would catch up the bomber stream when they had burned down to 'fighting' weight with enough gas to get home from the point at which the next wave took over.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 04:31 PM
Here's how it should sound...

Some cool clips here...

http://www.aviationshoppe.com/Aircraft%20sounds.html

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 05:03 PM
S! Spinnetti! Those sounds are just what I would expect! They sound awesome. The engine sounds in FB are good IMO, but don't sound as "throaty" as their real-life counterparts. Hopefully this will improve as time goes on.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 05:19 PM
Spinnetti wrote:
- Here's how it should sound...
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- Some cool clips here...
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- <a
- href="http://www.aviationshoppe.com/Aircraft%20sou
- nds.html"
- target=_blank>http://www.aviationshoppe.com/Aircra
- ft%20sounds.html</a>
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-Now thats more like it!

Pity FB is such a combination of the sublime and ridiculous.

Sublime: Graphics - textures - physics (yes including FM)

Ridiculous: Gun flashes - vertical smoke columns - etc.

Sound doesn't quite come under ridiculous but ( nothing personal against the sound programmer) it falls well short of what is achievable these days, the right sound effects can make a huge difference to a sim like this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 06:09 PM
Saw a show on Reno last night on D-Wing. They had in the pit cameras on both Dago Red and Voodoo. They sounded an awful lot like what we have in FB.

They were still running Merlins BTW. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 01:57 AM
Dunno about the Pony, havent flown it yet, but the other Merlin engined beast, the Hurricane, sounds crappy when at fine pitch and full revs.....it sounds like it is badly over revving to me.
However, wind back that prop pitch a fair bit, and put a load on that engine, and the basey growl really becomes apparent.

It's not only the Merlins either, anything with manual prop pitch you can get a far better sound out of by coarsening the pitch.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:23 AM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
- Saw a show on Reno last night on D-Wing. They had in
- the pit cameras on both Dago Red and Voodoo. They
- sounded an awful lot like what we have in FB.
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- They were still running Merlins BTW.
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LOL. There is a Spitfire that flies around where I live, alot. The FB Merlin sounds nothing like that Packard Merlin Spifire. There is not even the 'crackle' when the throttle is retarted.




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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 03:57 AM
That all said...its pretty good for a synthesized sound system that ensures that the volumetrics are good.

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:11 AM
Sounds like a P-40 to me. I ws hoping for a wonderful sound of the Merlin /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:34 AM
Somewhat OT but this summer I made it to the EAA airshow in Oshkosh, WI and the engine sound I really thought interesting was the I-16. Hard to describe...I had'nt really heard anything like it before. It was suprisingly loud with a funky low-end almost "chopping" sound.Certainly not the nice, refined Merlin growl. I dont know if it was the engine, prop or what but it was pretty cool. The Ju52 Tri-Motor was also a real treat to see and hear.
Too bad there is'nt a way to incorporate those specific sounds into the game...

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