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JamesBlonde888
06-18-2006, 08:07 PM
My first 'real' sim was The old F-19 and then the one that hooked me was Their Finest Hour.

Any one want to remenisce?

JamesBlonde888
06-18-2006, 08:07 PM
My first 'real' sim was The old F-19 and then the one that hooked me was Their Finest Hour.

Any one want to remenisce?

tigertalon
06-18-2006, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesBlonde888:
My first 'real' sim was The old F-19 and then the one that hooked me was Their Finest Hour.

Any one want to remenisce? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I spent THOUSANDS of hours with Chuck Yeagers Air Combat. Classic, 6 flyables: F4 and MiG-21 for vietnam, MiG-15 and F-86 for Korea and Fw190 and P51 for WW2... There I learned very well 109 outturns a P51.

Other sims I tried, but somehow just tried, until venerable Janes WWII fighters.

And along came Il-2...

shinden1974
06-18-2006, 08:44 PM
I like memories of the old flight sims, mostly because they were such great times, especially the mid '90's.

I think most people at the time figured it would only grow and eventually we would see study sims of every great modern jet and by now we would have the 'definitive' all theater, high fidelity, every-plane WWII sim...how naive we all were. Il-2 is the closest we've come and it's really despite many obstacles. Jet's: we have the old masterpiece F4 made new...but still old and the Jaw dropping yet flawed and SF'd (for flaming cliffs) LOMAC.

I simmed F-15 strike eagle, and hellcat ace...but my first truly loved sim was AOTP (aces over the pacific) from dynamix...came with a large photo filled manual unheard of nowadays. In a lot of ways it was better than the sim that 'replaced' it later, 1942:PAW. The catchy theme song still gets stuck in my head sometimes when I'm flying over the PTO in PF.

My other favorite was Fleet Defender...still, to this day the only study sim of the Tomcat...that a modern version of this sim doesn't exist is a crime against humanity.

I was a big fan of Falcon 3.0 and even bigger of the add-on Mig-29, I've always liked flying for the bad guys...I guess because I can enjoy getting shot down as well as victories...

I loved Flanker until LOMAC, which I'm flying now...even though I'm just waiting for SF to destroy everything, the dreams of a dynamic campaign for flanker continues, after nearly 10 years, to elude the fans of this sim.

Codex1971
06-19-2006, 06:48 AM
Ahhh the memories...it was F/A-18 Interceptor on the Amiga that got me hooked. Oh boy now I'm showing my age! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://amigareviews.classicgaming.gamespy.com/fa18inte.htm

DuxCorvan
06-19-2006, 07:30 AM
I loved TFH and then SWOTL. I think they had the best campaign system that can be built inside a sim. Besides, it was quite exciting.

Capt.LoneRanger
06-19-2006, 09:43 AM
Flown them all.

I began with FighterPilot on my CPC464 on a Tape and almost played everything that flew.

Most memorable sims are SWOTL, Aces-series, DiD's EF2000, Hind and Apache, and all of the Janes Series. The Sim I still miss most is Janes Longbow 2. I hope for the few HeloSims announced, most of all for LockOns BlackShark. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

danjama
06-19-2006, 08:03 PM
I'm a young'un, but i still have my fairshare of memories! EAW is to me, the game that started me off. I remember discovering the "realistic" option , and trying it out. Woah i thought, what is this new sort of motion my plane is doing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Very nice, i was hooked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Played EAW for good few years, from like 97-2000. I also played CFS1/2 at the same time. I also discovered B17TME, after seeing an article in PCGamer, and scanned every shop in Greater London til i found it. Played the game to death, bombing runs for hours strait. Great fun. Shame the fighters sucked. Shame it wasnt online. Still good for a fun offline run, if i have 2 hours to spare. Then again, usually i spend my time on il2 online these days, which ive been playing since i bought the original in.....hmm, must of been 2001. Nothing i'd played was like it. And here i am. Six years with il2 and 1C. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope for many more.

Like i said, i'm a youngun compared to some people, but i have many experiences that i could write thousand word articles relating.

Oh i also play/played LOMAC, Eurofighter Typhoon, FS98 and a few others, which, IMHO, just didnt earn a mention in a reminisce post...

Oh wait i just mentioned them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

JamesBlonde888
06-19-2006, 08:55 PM
Some absolute classics, especially Chuck Yeager and SWOTL, both of which I was crazy about. I never mastered the bomb run in SWOTL however and rarely even made it to the target until B-17(Microprose)came out. Janes WWII fighters was brilliant in terms of the advances but the campaigns were quite dull so I spent most of my time 'Running the Gauntlet'

Another bunch I lovedf were the old Dynamix/Sierra 'Aces' series starting with Red Baron then Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific. Good times. The first real effort by a sim at introducing a wide variety of a/c types, historical markings and dynamic campaigns.

Lucius_Esox
06-20-2006, 04:19 AM
Great memories, I remember Aces over Europe on the 64,,. Thought Longbow 2 was great and still got the old g/port ch's from that period,, TAW, F15 "This is Bahrain airport clearing you for takeoff" hehe.. played most of em I think.

It proves something to me though, I enjoyed my simming no less then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My other favorite was Fleet Defender...still, to this day the only study sim of the Tomcat...that a modern version of this sim doesn't exist is a crime against humanity.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, this was an excellent sim

RCAF_Irish_403
06-20-2006, 04:53 AM
backl in the mid 90's a friend of mine had AOTP...i had bigtime fun, although i had no clue what i was doing...last summer i bought PF and that was it!

Capt.LoneRanger
06-20-2006, 05:25 AM
Anybody remember Amigas "Interceptor"? That was the first real flight-sim I had, that deserved the name and used polygons instead of sprites.

On the other hand, Christ, I even played Falcon on a PC without graphics card.... It was just different text-symbols, LOL.

The first release of Falcon for the Amiga got me into multiplaying. Used to play it a lot with a friend of mine by a null-modem I built myself http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BSS_Goat
06-20-2006, 12:38 PM
Lets not forget "POUND 'IM LEAD!"


MIG ALLEY

R988z
06-21-2006, 06:29 AM
anyone remember Dambusters on Commodore64? ok maybe not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Super EF2000 was my favourite throughout most of the mid to late 90s, I loved the immersive campaigns and huge flight map, I only stopped playing it a couple of years ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BGs_Ricky
06-21-2006, 07:09 AM
I have probably flown every flightsim available on the Amiga 500, my favourites being TFH, Flight of the Intruder and Knights of the Sky. Great sims, great immersion and campaign systems.
When I got my first PC back in 1997, I started with Flying Corps, then RBII, EAW, Mig Alley, CFS1, Rowan's BoB and finally Il-2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

My favourite missions to play were ship attacks in a Bf-110 in TFH, free hunting over the front in Knights of the Sky and RBII and LAN dogfights Dora vs. Tempest in EAW with my mates http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
06-21-2006, 07:14 AM
Awwww EF2000 was great.

I'll never forget the typical clearance with the nice accent and all the words perfectly cut together with completely different tonations.

"Trondheim - Warne - taxi - Condor" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Hurri-Khan
06-21-2006, 09:38 AM
F/A-18 interceptor in amiga500 was my 1st love also http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Tried few C64 sims before that. The B-17 by microprose was the 1st one to interest me in WW2. First PC combat flight sim I flew was heroes of 357th, released around same time as wing commander http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif First online sim: IL-2 sturmovik.

Here's another amiga classic: Fighter Bomber;
http://amigareviews.classicgaming.gamespy.com/fighterb.htm

And the heroes of 357th;
http://www.mobygames.com/game/heroes-of-the-357th/screenshots


&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt;

johann63
06-21-2006, 10:48 AM
I shot down many a bomber and bombed many a flattops with My mac IIsi

http://www.fscwv.edu/users/rheffner/b17/images/hotp_APR.gif
http://www.fscwv.edu/users/rheffner/b17/images/hotp_TAK.gif

Ciscobird
06-21-2006, 12:15 PM
Spent countless hours playing this one... Wings of Fury (http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/wof.shtml)

Carriers and ships in my version were colored pink, always wondered why. http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/woftitle.gif http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/wofplanes.gif

Sillius_Sodus
06-21-2006, 12:35 PM
I played a few sims on the Commodore Vic 20 but what really go tme hooked was Microprose's Gunship on the Commodore 64. When I switched to PC's, in the late 80's, Microprose was da bomb when it came to sims. F-19 Stealth fighter was a classic, I loved the combination of air combat, ground strike and sneaking around and I can still remember my sweaty palms as the radar energy bar came within a hair of touching the detection bar during a photo run on a sub in Murmansk harbour! Knights of The Sky by MP was also great. The ability to hunt down specific aces or be challenged by them was very immersive.

My first LucasArts sim was Battlehawks 1942. Short campaigns but it was the first sim that started to look like gun camera films. Then of course you have Their Finest Hour and SWOTL. Those were interesting because if you didn't want to fly you could play a fairly good wargame with the sim. IIRC the only other sim to have this feature was DID's Total Air War.

EA's Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, enough said. EA's SU-25 Stormovik was also a pretty good sim with an interesting story line. Too bad they mainly do sports games now.

As for Jane's sims, it was their USNF/ATF series that did it for me. Loved the dialog ("do him!"). The Lonbow series was ok but I found WWII Fighters a little dull. I'll have to back to it to see how it compares to IL2. I much prefer EAW.

I probably spent more time finding just the right hotas configuration for EF2000 than actually playing it but enjoyed every second of futzing. Best wingman command system, padlock and views I've seen. I especially miss EF2000's "player-wingman" view in IL2.

I have flown dozens more and while many were forgettable, they probably did help advance the genre and keep it alive long enough for sims like IL2 and LOMAC to make their appearance. Flight sims are a very small segment of the gaming market after all.

Good Hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

I_KG100_Prien
06-21-2006, 12:43 PM
First flight sim I flew was Flight Simulator on my Atari XE when I was a kid... Then when I upgraded to a PC (a SCREEMIN 286!) I played around with the Chuck Yeager sim... Got out of it for awhile until my dad brought home "Their Finest Hour".. I played that sim to death.

I can still remember calling the local "Egghead" software store almost weekly when SWOTL was due to hit the shelves.. I think the clerk got tired of me calling http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Loved Aces of the Pacfic, and Aces Over Europe. Red Baron by Dynamix.. Falcon 3.0 was awesome.. I'm probably going to pick up 4.0 next time I run across it. Eurofighter 2000, and Janes Fighters Anthology stayed on my HD for some time. Then I fell into the dark abyss known as Quake: Team Fortress, then later into MMORPG's (UO!).. Didn't start simming again until I picked up Forgotten Battles.

I sometimes find myself wanting to get my hands on all of these old titles and setting up an old Dos/Win95 box to run them on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Can't wait until BOB:SOW comes out.. Hopefully Oleg and crew fix the things that irritate me the most about IL2 (The craptastic AI). I think we'll have a winner with that one.

Worf101
06-21-2006, 01:06 PM
"Their Finest Hour"
"Aces Over Europe"
"Aces Over The Pacific"
"Red Baron"
"Blue Max"
"Wing Commander"

This is why my career went down the crapper.. I had no P.C. and used to sneak into work on the weekends just to play. It was worse than Crack!!!

Da Worfster

pogobbler
06-21-2006, 01:28 PM
Funny how, as limited as pretty much all the flight sims of the past have been, they were still fun to play, weren't they? I think the first I can recall playing was one for the old Atari 2600. It was a non-Atari brand game, I think, and I can't recall the title for sure, though it might've been Air Raiders or something like that. I remember the father of a friend of mine was very into computers at the time (the mid to late '80s) and there were some flight simulators he had for his PC that I played a few times, one featuring WW1 air combat, possibly a Red Baron themed game... another featuring an A10... I didn't really play enough to recall the titles, though I was impressed with them at the time. I remember, during college, playing Microprose's F19 Stealth Fighter on a roommates "portable" Commodore 64. A year or two later, I roomed with a friend (the aforementioned one whose father was into computers) who had a 286 PC that I played some of those games mentioned earlier on, though they were copies and we never had the instructions, so we had to figure the controls out on our own. Not a flight simulator, but somewhat related, I remember spending hours having fun playing Silent Service 2 (I think it was 2, at least), a WW2 Pacific Submarine simulation. I remember once, having damaged a Japanese Carrier enough so that it was dead in the water, smoke billowing from it, but not sinking, its escorts having left it for dead, and I was out of torpedos and my deck gun was destroyed, so I couldn't complete the deal. Even tried ramming the darn thing to no avail! Oh yes, also during college, some friends and I all got Atari Lynx portable game systems and, among other games, of course, had great fun playing Warbirds, a WW1 flight simulator/dog fighting game, with 3 or 4 of us linked up. One of the first games I recall (or noticed) that modelled, to an extent, engine torque... you rolled much more easily one direction than the other unless you shut the engine off to take the torque out of the equation. Really, it was a remarkably good game for the time... definitely underrated, I'd say, as was the system as a whole. There was another flight type game for that system that was reasonably fun, Blue Lightning, but it was much more 2d and not as fun as the more 3d Warbirds was. When I finally got a PC, I played Air Warrior 3 quite a bit, then got into Combat Flight Simulator 1 and 2, when they came out. Once I got IL2, Forgotten Battles I really couldn't play the CFS games anymore, except to see how they just didn't match up at all to IL2 and its expansions. My experiences with my other favorite genre of games, car/racing simulators, pretty much mirror the flight simulator path, with decent games in each of the systems mentioned culminating in, first, Grand Prix Legends and, now, GT Legends, though I still play Gran Turismo 4 on the Playstation 2 for fun... it's just not nearly as much a simulation as the right PC games.

carguy_
06-21-2006, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ciscobird:
Spent countless hours playing this one... Wings of Fury (http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/wof.shtml)

Carriers and ships in my version were colored pink, always wondered why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I started off from BoB on C64 but this game was the first very well developped IMO.I was never bored with it.Although I rarely ever went through a level cuz all I was doing was downing Zekes instead of pounding the islands.From that time on I knew I was an Ace.

Ciscobird
06-22-2006, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
Although I rarely ever went through a level cuz all I was doing was downing Zekes instead of pounding the islands.From that time on I knew I was an Ace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One of my favorite things to do on Wings of Fury was to dogfight with and send a plane trailing smoke crashing into undamaged enemy barracks and/or gun embracements, or even better into fellas running to safety. Their running bodies would go flying up in the air once the aircraft plows through them.

To sensitive ones hey, hey, it's just a game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Mysticpuma2003
06-22-2006, 11:31 AM
My first flight sim was European Air War, and even to this day it still has some features that I would love to see in IL2, my favourite being the 'bomb-camera' which as it says, let you view the target from the bombs point of view.

Can't think of a thing I'd rather see (camera wise) in IL2 other than that.

Also I remember the first time I broke 6,500 Metres and, what's this (as a grin broke out on my face), Vapour Trails? Wow. Now that was special.

AND it came with a PROPER manual to read, including ACM and tactics! Now that was a game.

I then moved on to F-22 Lightning 3, but lost interest in firing a missile at an invisible target,well one that had a radar lock way into the horizon, or so the computer told me, and then I knew that close combat dogfighting was the way air combat should be played.

Then along came Oleg with IL2 and that's where I've been since.

As for the future...well to be honest I worry. Why?

Well it has taken me about two years to get a rig together that runs IL2 with DirectX 9.0c water, comfertably. I just won't be able to justify buying a new PC (SLi, 2gig ram, Conroe P4 and Vista loaded!), just so that I can progress to BoB:SoW and it's graphical glory.

So IL2 will be my chosen sim for a long time to come (and BoB wont have US planes for a long time after it's made, as US weren't involved initially for BoB, and I love the P-47!), and happy days they will continue to be!

Good post, cheers, MP.

Fox_3
06-22-2006, 11:40 AM
BoB Their Finest Hour on the Commodore-Amiga was my gate way drug. Played using a Sega Mega Drive joy pad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Treetop64
06-22-2006, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ciscobird:
Carriers and ships in my version were colored pink, always wondered why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, it is the navy, after all.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyhoo, for me it was the old flight sim on the Commodore 64, way back in '91, that featured an SR-71. The thing was probably made of no more than eight polygons!

Then I upgraded to an Amiga 500 and got the F-18 sim. In it there were a series of missions where renegade MiGs penetrated the airpspace over the San Francisco Bay area, and you had to launch from your carrier to intercept them.

Then - among many others - came Their Finest Hour, MS Flight Sim 95, and Total Air War (one of my all time favorites!).

Hurri-Khan
06-22-2006, 12:38 PM
Wings of Fury was nice, but I wouldn't really count it as simulator though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Another game in similiar category was classic "wings";

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/wings/screenshots


&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt;

Doolittle81
06-22-2006, 12:50 PM
"Mig Alley Ace" by Microprose
1984. Atari 800. 8bit.
Originlly 8k Ram, which I think I upgraded to a whopping 32K !!!

http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/boxes/hi_res/Mig_Alley_Ace_US_Gold_k7.jpg
http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/boxes/hi_res/Mig_Alley_Ace_US_Gold_d7_2.jpg

From a review: . €œYou are the pilot of an
old 1950 Mig jet fighter as you got head to head in varied confrontations
against the computer or an opponent. The screen is split in half, top
half/bottom half so each pilot can see what the other is doing, its like
cheating, but how else can 2 people play at the same time and still have real
view perspective? The game action is good and can get intense at moments.
Just like the real old time Migs, your plane is difficult to keep complete
control over so you have to get used to it. Another added amount of reality is
that your ammo (bullets, sorry no medium range missile here...) they curve downward,
making the killing of your target very difficult, but with some skill
and with a watchful eye you pick up a trick or two on how to use gravity to
your advantage.€
http://www.thelegacy.de/pics/screen/m/migalleyace.gif

mazexx
06-22-2006, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Flown them all.

I began with FighterPilot on my CPC464 on a Tape and almost played everything that flew.

Most memorable sims are SWOTL, Aces-series, DiD's EF2000, Hind and Apache, and all of the Janes Series. The Sim I still miss most is Janes Longbow 2. I hope for the few HeloSims announced, most of all for LockOns BlackShark. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noob http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Fighter Pilot was my third simulator after Psion Flight Simulator in 1982 and Night Gunner on the Sinclair Spectrum... Those where the days when men where men and flight simulators used green for ground, blue for sky amd some jagged white wireframe for airfields... I recently fired up Fighter Pilot on my old Speccy and I realized it was running at 3-4 fps. I never recall beeing annoyed about that. It was just amazing back then...

A screenshot from it:
ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/screens/in-game/f/FighterPilot.gif

After that I've also flown them all I guess. I agree with most of your memorables list. I would maybe place the aces series on top in the nostalgia league. The first "Red Baron" really made an impression on me (those 256 color VGA graphics rocked!), and Aces of the Pacific and Aces over Europe rocked too. I naturally enjoyed Longbow 2 too. Falcon 3 was also one of those games that stayed a long time on my hard drive...

/Mazex

mazexx
06-22-2006, 01:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R988z:
anyone remember Dambusters on Commodore64? ok maybe not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Super EF2000 was my favourite throughout most of the mid to late 90s, I loved the immersive campaigns and huge flight map, I only stopped playing it a couple of years ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure remember it, but I played it on the Spectrum. Good stuff as I remember it... You could man all positions of the Lancaster but the replayability was rather limited http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

/Mazex

Bo_Nidle
06-22-2006, 01:27 PM
"F-16 Combat Pilot" on magnetic tape for the Commodore 64. I played this for hours and was very impresed when I encountered a wire frame Hind!!!!

My kids were incredulous when I showed them this pic....I have to admit, so was I! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
http://62.168.142.47/~lemon/games/screenshots/full/f-16_combat_pilot_02.gif

Lock-On would have been considered the wildest fantasy
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zarodinu/recit/lockon/1_a10/00m.jpg

carguy_
06-22-2006, 03:26 PM
Nice one Bo_Nidle!Gives faith that we can go even further from that.

mazexx
06-22-2006, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
"F-16 Combat Pilot" on magnetic tape for the Commodore 64. I played this for hours and was very impresed when I encountered a wire frame Hind!!!!

My kids were incredulous when I showed them this pic....I have to admit, so was I! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Lock-On would have been considered the wildest fantasy
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he, my son who is soon to become four years old will have LOMAC on his list as his first flight simulator. I would love to share some laughs with him regarding how awful the graphics where "back in the good ole days" in 20 years or so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It really is an interesting thought how sims will look in 2026... Moores law etc...

/Mazex

Cold Meat Platter
06-22-2006, 04:46 PM
I think gunship on the C64 laser designated my sim cherry. Or possibly f19 stealth fighter, whichever came first. One thing I remember is that after i had blown my pocket money on it in john menzies i gazed in wonder the entire bus journey home at the chunky manual and keyboard overlay thinking - bloody hell - this is the most complicated thing I have ever seen. This must be exactly like flying an apache.
It must have taken 15 minutes to actually load the game to a point where you could fly an aircraft and if you had the good fortune to complete your mission it took 5 minutes to load the debriefing and another 15 to load the next mission. Yet I sat happily flicking throught the manual checking the stats of the ZSU and BMP while the border of the screen went mentalist. All to play a wireframe slideshow.
Now I tut if the frame rate goes below 30.