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Brain32
12-20-2006, 10:01 AM
Now first of all it's just a suggestion, and it seems like something that would not take much work to do and would make many people happy. Now I don't really know how much work is it so if it's too much - forget I said anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The adition would be MG151/20 in the nose as an optional loadout for the BF109G14 and BF109G10. Now I know the background of this issue but:
1. It was infact quite common for German 109's IIRC, so it's not a fantasy wish.
2. By default they would still have mk108 like Hungarian examples should
3. We already have various aircrafts performance based on various tests, I know that allegdly
only Hungarian 109's met factory specs and since they had mk108 only, we have them, but if we look at the whole game and especially the latest aditons, I don't think anybody would mind something as small as this, infact I think most would be happy having this option http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DKoor
12-20-2006, 03:29 PM
I support this idea, in fact such proposals were/are not new, and the bad thing is that it was never implemented.
Somehow loadouts for existing aircraft are on bottom of priorities.

Worthwhile proposition nevertheless.

edit*
I feel that droptank for G10 is the most needed "add-on" to the existing arsenal, since even on full tank G10 doesn't have envious range. It is beast plane I love it, but the lack of droptank renders it unusable for longer missions.
Anyhow nose MG151 is a worthwile proposal especially to those who dislike elephant cannon. I don't belong in that group since I always liked 3cm cannons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

La7_brook
12-20-2006, 09:12 PM
been wanting, hoping for it for years , dont think your every see this , next stop BoB, even then i think u will need too YELL REALY LOUD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

cmirko
12-21-2006, 12:16 AM
friendly bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif would like the 151/20 as a christmas present in later 109's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG52Karaya-X
12-21-2006, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Now first of all it's just a suggestion, and it seems like something that would not take much work to do and would make many people happy. Now I don't really know how much work is it so if it's too much - forget I said anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The adition would be MG151/20 in the nose as an optional loadout for the BF109G14 and BF109G10.

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12-21-2006, 07:49 AM
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Mysticpuma2003
12-21-2006, 09:33 AM
I agree with you Brain, and expanding on it, it does seem strange that the loadout on the planes is so 'fixed'.

I like the P-47, and it always surprises me that when I loadout with Extra Ammunition I can't choose the Drop Tank as-well.

It's just little oddity's like that which make no sense.

I mean the 190's can have wing cannon's and drop tank, and yet the '47's can only have one or the other.

Obviously I went a little off-track there with the '47, but I agree with your original post whole-heartedly.

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tigertalon
12-21-2006, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
I agree with you Brain, and expanding on it, it does seem strange that the loadout on the planes is so 'fixed'.

I like the P-47, and it always surprises me that when I loadout with Extra Ammunition I can't choose the Drop Tank as-well.

It's just little oddity's like that which make no sense.

I mean the 190's can have wing cannon's and drop tank, and yet the '47's can only have one or the other.

Obviously I went a little off-track there with the '47, but I agree with your original post whole-heartedly.

Cheers, MP.

Yeah, on P47 standard ammocount with all loadout options should be 425, and a separate option labeled as 'extra-low ammo' should give you 200 rpg.

I hope they will do it completely different for bob: every weapon/wing rack should have it's own roll down menu with all possibilities, so you can pick whatever loadout combination you want. Historical unacceptable ones should then be greyed out by host.

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IIJG69_Kartofe
12-21-2006, 11:04 AM
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3.JG51_BigBear
12-21-2006, 11:26 AM
Another bump for the cannons.

RegRag1977
12-21-2006, 12:10 PM
Oh, yes please 20mm canon for G10, G14! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifAnd Fw190A8/A9 in fighter configuration with only 2 20ies and 2 13mm firing seperately (like in F8 and D9)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
12-21-2006, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Oh, yes please 20mm canon for G10, G14! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifAnd Fw190A8/A9 in fighter configuration with only 2 20ies and 2 13mm firing seperately (like in F8 and D9)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

We have that on the A4/5/6 and it doesnt work out. If you remove the outer cannon you get the ETC rack under the belly which means --> 0 performance gain. Sad but Oleg decided to model it this way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Vike
12-22-2006, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Now first of all it's just a suggestion, and it seems like something that would not take much work to do and would make many people happy. Now I don't really know how much work is it so if it's too much - forget I said anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The adition would be MG151/20 in the nose as an optional loadout for the BF109G14 and BF109G10. Now I know the background of this issue but:
1. It was infact quite common for German 109's IIRC, so it's not a fantasy wish.
2. By default they would still have mk108 like Hungarian examples should
3. We already have various aircrafts performance based on various tests, I know that allegdly
only Hungarian 109's met factory specs and since they had mk108 only, we have them, but if we look at the whole game and especially the latest aditons, I don't think anybody would mind something as small as this, infact I think most would be happy having this option http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Even if i prefer the MK108 for its multipurpose astonishing possibilities,even for the G6 & G6/AS,i

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For this thread!

RegRag1977
12-22-2006, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Oh, yes please 20mm canon for G10, G14! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifAnd Fw190A8/A9 in fighter configuration with only 2 20ies and 2 13mm firing seperately (like in F8 and D9)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

We have that on the A4/5/6 and it doesnt work out. If you remove the outer cannon you get the ETC rack under the belly which means --> 0 performance gain. Sad but Oleg decided to model it this way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes... Of course i meant changing it without ETC rack.
I hate to shoot with two different kinds of weapons at the same time, and i just wonder if it is difficult to programm those changes.

I think the Fw190A is the only A/C to have such a strange weapon config. and truly i don't get the point at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif What was the idea of making 13mm and 20mm firing when pressing the same trigger...
(BTW, Wasn't there a selector in the Fw that allowed all guns to fire seperately? Maybe was it too difficult to model, i don't know...)

Anyway, having an Anton with only 2 20s firing seperately should be possible (we already have it on F8 and D9, why not making it an option for all Antons?)

Just asking, no whine! This Sim KICKS http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif!

I love 109s and 190s and won't change on that, but if the firing mode was remodelled (more options like leaving outer guns in FW and 20mm for G14 G10) i would be so happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bartolomeo_ita
12-22-2006, 07:51 AM
Oh, yes please 20mm canon for G10, G14!

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JG53Frankyboy
12-22-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh, yes please 20mm canon for G10, G14!

quote </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is a wish since these planes appeared in the game..............
i dont like it to avoid a MK108 overkill in late war missions with using the Bf109G-6/AS , its perfoamce is just too strange in my eyes.
a bread and butter Bf109G-14 with its most used weaponconfiguration, the MG151/20, is missing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG52Karaya-X
12-22-2006, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
this is a wish since these planes appeared in the game..............
i dont like it to avoid a MK108 overkill in late war missions with using the Bf109G-6/AS , its perfoamce is just too strange in my eyes.

Agreed, the G6/AS is an odd bird with very strange performance, full pressure height being 6k just like the G14 with DB605AM although it (the G6/AS) SHOULD have a 605ASM and thus a higher full pressure height like the G10/K4 (7k). It would also be nice to have a corrected G10/G14 sea level speed of 580km/h rather than 570km/h.


a bread and butter Bf109G-14 with its most used weaponconfiguration, the MG151/20, is missing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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MOH_Hirth
12-23-2006, 06:00 PM
Give us P-36 cockpit!

Recon_609IAP
12-23-2006, 07:45 PM
Please add a dogfight server capability to limit loadouts.

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VW-IceFire
12-23-2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
Please add a dogfight server capability to limit loadouts.
If you're server is running Gennadich's Server Commander then this ability is available.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by MOH_Hirth:
Give us P-36 cockpit!

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Vike
12-27-2006, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Now first of all it's just a suggestion, and it seems like something that would not take much work to do and would make many people happy. Now I don't really know how much work is it so if it's too much - forget I said anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The adition would be MG151/20 in the nose as an optional loadout for the BF109G14 and BF109G10. Now I know the background of this issue but:
1. It was infact quite common for German 109's IIRC, so it's not a fantasy wish.
2. By default they would still have mk108 like Hungarian examples should
3. We already have various aircrafts performance based on various tests, I know that allegdly
only Hungarian 109's met factory specs and since they had mk108 only, we have them, but if we look at the whole game and especially the latest aditons, I don't think anybody would mind something as small as this, infact I think most would be happy having this option http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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HellToupee
12-27-2006, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Yes... Of course i meant changing it without ETC rack.

a8/9 always had the etc rack, it also helped balance out the cg.

RegRag1977
01-01-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by HellToupee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Yes... Of course i meant changing it without ETC rack.

a8/9 always had the etc rack, it also helped balance out the cg. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks HellToupee http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifCould you please tell me what the CG stands for? (English is not my first language)

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-01-2007, 01:40 PM
Ahh load outs are cool but I want more planes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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NonWonderDog
01-01-2007, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Thanks HellToupee http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifCould you please tell me what the CG stands for? (English is not my first language)

Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif "Center of Gravity," i.e. center of mass. The stability of the plane is mostly influenced by the position of the center of mass (average location of all the mass) in relation to the center of pressure (average location of all aerodynamic forces) of the aircraft. Quite simply, a plane or rocket will be stable as long as the CG is in front of the CP.

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-01-2007, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MOH_Hirth:
Give us P-36 cockpit!

Indeed! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was just talking about the P-36 the other day. We was pose to have it flyable long ago I wonder what happened.

We got one last chance to get it added so lets be heard.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
01-01-2007, 04:30 PM
One SMALL thing that would be great to see is a new icon type. The new icon would be a host setting, and would be the same for all planes (with side ID as a toglle as well). The new icon would be an ASCII field in the host settings.

Ie: set the icon to "POOPY" and every plane is IDed "POOPY." OTOH, you could set it to:

+
.
*

Something like that, then we'd get a TINY icon to make BnZ bouncing possible, but it would be virtually invisible up close.

tater

Vike
01-02-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Vike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Now first of all it's just a suggestion, and it seems like something that would not take much work to do and would make many people happy. Now I don't really know how much work is it so if it's too much - forget I said anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The adition would be MG151/20 in the nose as an optional loadout for the BF109G14 and BF109G10. Now I know the background of this issue but:
1. It was infact quite common for German 109's IIRC, so it's not a fantasy wish.
2. By default they would still have mk108 like Hungarian examples should
3. We already have various aircrafts performance based on various tests, I know that allegdly
only Hungarian 109's met factory specs and since they had mk108 only, we have them, but if we look at the whole game and especially the latest aditons, I don't think anybody would mind something as small as this, infact I think most would be happy having this option http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif *BUMP* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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There is also the wing-monted rockets,two tube launched 21cm WGr rockets,named "Pulk-Zerstorer"...

http://www.librairie-ac.com/images/produits/L29052.jpg

...that have been used with the Me109s; http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RegRag1977
01-03-2007, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Thanks HellToupee http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifCould you please tell me what the CG stands for? (English is not my first language)

Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif "Center of Gravity," i.e. center of mass. The stability of the plane is mostly influenced by the position of the center of mass (average location of all the mass) in relation to the center of pressure (average location of all aerodynamic forces) of the aircraft. Quite simply, a plane or rocket will be stable as long as the CG is in front of the CP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks sir!

It's clear now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
01-03-2007, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Vike:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif *BUMP* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

There is also the wing-monted rockets,two tube launched 21cm WGr rockets,named "Pulk-Zerstorer"...

http://www.librairie-ac.com/images/produits/L29052.jpg

...that have been used with the Me109s; http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Yes, we already have it on the FW190s but for some reason not on the Bf109s. In real life you could also jettison the tubes after expending your rocket-propelled-grenades, but not in FB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-03-2007, 10:25 AM
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Aaron_GT
01-03-2007, 11:22 AM
And the Tempest is actually a lower boost early model at +9. If we had +11 or +13 it would be even better!

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01-03-2007, 02:22 PM
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JG52Karaya-X
01-04-2007, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
And the Tempest is actually a lower boost early model at +9. If we had +11 or +13 it would be even better!

Bump for the 11 Pounds Booze Tempest! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Vike
01-04-2007, 05:42 AM
LOL Karaya! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
Yes, we already have it on the FW190s but for some reason not on the Bf109s. In real life you could also jettison the tubes after expending your rocket-propelled-grenades, but not in FB

Oh,i didn't know that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
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Marcel_Albert
01-04-2007, 06:36 AM
I don't know if it's a small addition , but a Ki-46 flyable woud be so great to add to this sim , it's such a beauty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Manu-6S
01-05-2007, 01:19 AM
I like mk108, with the terrible handling of the late Bf109s I don't have many occasions to aim a enemy.

Yes... primary I would that the controls become stiff at 600 and not 450....

About loadout I wish Bob will have more options, to build a "custom plane with this but not that".

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01-05-2007, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Vike:
Could the Me110 jettison its tubes too IRL? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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01-05-2007, 04:02 AM
I like all the suggestions, and wanna add one more:

WGr's for the Me-262a2 also.

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Gnasha
01-05-2007, 12:34 PM
I like all the suggestions, and wanna add one more:

WGr's for the Me-262a2 also.


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jagdmailer
01-07-2007, 12:18 PM
Yes please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MG 151/20 motorkanone for Bf 109G-10 & Bf 109G-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have been requesting this for at least 2 years now....Sign me up!

Still hoping for a "March 1944" Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" with MW50... :-(

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JG52Karaya-X
01-07-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Still hoping for a "March 1944" Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" with MW50... :-(

JagdMailer

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Vike
01-08-2007, 08:53 AM
Hey guys,i just discovered an interesting version of the Me109-G:

- The G1/R2,described here (http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/web.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&auswahl_uv=77&auswahl_hv=1&versionscategory=9) -

The Me109G1/R2 was an Ultra-Light fighter,

with:

-NO armor shield for the head/back
-NO bomb rack
-NO GM1 boost container
-NO gunpods addition possible

and with:

-DB605-A engine
-2x MG17
-1x MG151/20

I would suggest a simple implementation in the sim for this G1/R2,maybe like this:

Me109G2-FM slightly improved,
Me109F2-DM

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csThor
01-08-2007, 08:57 AM
Personally I'd rather have a "late" Bf 109 F-2 with the upgraded MG 151/20 instead of the peashooter MG 151/15.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
01-08-2007, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Vike:
The Me109G1/R2 was an Ultra-Light fighter,

withOUT:

-armor shield for the head/back
-bomb rack
-GM1 boost container
-gunpods addition



Only planes that really used GM1 (very very few) got the GM1 tank, all other G1s only had the necessary pipings installed... so not much a weight loss there. What do you mean by gunpod additions?


and with:

-DB605-A engine
-2x MG17
-1x MG151/20

No change to our G2 there

Sorry but I dont see much sense in adding this version to FB.

20mms for the G10 and G14 should be a much much higher priority


Personally I'd rather have a "late" Bf 109 F-2 with the upgraded MG 151/20 instead of the peashooter MG 151/15.

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Vike
01-08-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:

Only planes that really used GM1 (very very few) got the GM1 tank, all other G1s only had the necessary pipings installed... so not much a weight loss there. What do you mean by gunpod additions?

I meant without gunpods;This plane was not planned to use wing-canons! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
No change to our G2 there

Sorry but I dont see much sense in adding this version to FB.

20mms for the G10 and G14 should be a much much higher priority

I agree,but when i read sentences like "Me109Gs were heavy and unmaneuveurable"...LOL


Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
What about an F-1 instead with a 20mm MGFF/M as Motorkanone!?

Yes,why not,but iirc,the F1 did have the awful tail-drop problem...Sure,the MGFF/M woulb be cool,otherwise.

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corpse_grinder1
01-08-2007, 05:01 PM
My only request is small in compared to some...just an early war Spitfire Mk1,not to take away from the upcoming Battle of Britain....but,IMHO if there was Bf109E-4,then why not a Spitfire Mk1? Just my 2 cents....

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JG53Frankyboy
01-08-2007, 05:39 PM
how far we went from the topic start with the wish for a MG151/20 hub canon option for the G14 and G10 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Brain32
01-08-2007, 06:17 PM
Now you see how many people care about 109. I guess they all gave up on it, can't blaim them not that I'm different but I atleast still fly them offline http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG52Karaya-X
01-09-2007, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by corpse_grinder1:
My only request is small in compared to some...just an early war Spitfire Mk1,not to take away from the upcoming Battle of Britain....but,IMHO if there was Bf109E-4,then why not a Spitfire Mk1? Just my 2 cents....

Because the E4 and all other Emil versions were used in Barbarossa, thats why they got included into the original IL2. The Spitfire MkI didnt see any action on the Eastern Front and as Oleg is doing BoB anyway plus nobody made a new 3D model and cockpit for it there's a 0% probability we'll see it in FB.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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269GA-Veltro
01-09-2007, 09:13 AM
Bump for the MG-151/20!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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arrow80
01-09-2007, 11:54 AM
sing me up for MG 151/20 motorkanone fur G-10/G-14!

RegRag1977
01-12-2007, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:

About loadout I wish Bob will have more options, to build a "custom plane with this but not that".



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DKoor
01-12-2007, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by RegRag1977:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:

About loadout I wish Bob will have more options, to build a "custom plane with this but not that".



AMEN http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>*That* would be totally awesome.
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DustyBarrels77
01-12-2007, 04:53 PM
can this be moved to gd like the request of hvars and rocket tubes on the mustang and a-36 allison engined version of the mustang. K14 site in p38 late and p47d and other suggestions, thanks alot mods.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Brain32
01-12-2007, 07:25 PM
I think my thread stayed here for as long as it did, becasue unlike those suggestion you stated above, my suggestion actually sounds reasonable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
01-13-2007, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by DustyBarrels77:
can this be moved to gd like the request of hvars and rocket tubes on the mustang and a-36 allison engined version of the mustang. K14 site in p38 late and p47d and other suggestions, thanks alot mods.

bad luck, all your mentioned wishes are needing 3D work ............ so highly doubtfull that they will be made.

these canon options for the 109s are not needing any 3D work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

269GA-Veltro
01-13-2007, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Yes please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MG 151/20 motorkanone for Bf 109G-10 & Bf 109G-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<span class="ev_code_yellow">Have been requesting this for at least 2 years now....Sign me up!</span>

Still hoping for a "March 1944" Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" with MW50... :-(

JagdMailer

Bump!!!!!!!! What jagdmailer says.

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01-14-2007, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by Vike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
What about an F-1 instead with a 20mm MGFF/M as Motorkanone!?

Yes,why not,but iirc,the F1 did have the awful tail-drop problem...Sure,the MGFF/M woulb be cool,otherwise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was with the pre-production series F-0, where the tail allowed for vibrations which could match those of the engine at certain rpms and would thus lead to cracks in the tail structure. However this was fixed in all of these machines by mounting extra strenghtening plates in the rear of the tail. Production planes had stronger tail sections from the beginning!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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IIJG69_Kartofe
01-14-2007, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Yes please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MG 151/20 motorkanone for Bf 109G-10 & Bf 109G-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<span class="ev_code_yellow">Have been requesting this for at least 2 years now....Sign me up!</span>

Still hoping for a "March 1944" Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" with MW50... :-(

JagdMailer

Bump!!!!!!!! What jagdmailer says.

And the same is for the 250Kg bomb for the Friedrich!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey !!! And the droptank??

Don't forget the droptank!

DKoor
01-14-2007, 05:37 AM
Loadouts for Bf-109F4 too, if that hasn't already been mentioned.
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Vike
01-17-2007, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
That was with the pre-production series F-0, where the tail allowed for vibrations which could match those of the engine at certain rpms and would thus lead to cracks in the tail structure. However this was fixed in all of these machines by mounting extra strenghtening plates in the rear of the tail. Production planes had stronger tail sections from the beginning!

I agree,MG-FF/M would be great for the 109F

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01-18-2007, 01:00 PM
Bump!!!!

Bf-109G-10

- MG151/20

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109G-14

- MG151/20

Bf-109F-2

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109F-4

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

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01-18-2007, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Bump!!!!

Bf-109G-10

- MG151/20

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109G-14

- MG151/20

Bf-109F-2

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109F-4

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

P.S: Please edit if it's wrong.


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JG53Frankyboy
01-18-2007, 01:49 PM
well, most propably only the addition of MG151/20 as armament options for the F-2, G-14 and G-10 would need no 3D work ...............

koivis
01-18-2007, 02:19 PM
BUMP also.

I've been doing some small research about late Bf 109 variants, namely their service delivery amounts per month and per type. Here's some hard data:

1944
Variant--------July Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec Total
Bf 109G-14-----19--267-629--691-216-150-1972
Bf 109G-14/U4---2----0--17---12--33--82--146
Bf 109G-14/AS---0---15-164--303--98--87--667
Bf 109G-10------0----0---0---18-255-268--541
Bf 109K-4-------0----0---0--167-133-146--446

All data found here: http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bjagd.htm
from original RLM documents. Those are pretty hard to deny.

The /U4 variant is the one with MK 108.
AS you see the big majority of G-14 variants were equipped with MG 151/20. Probably the early G-10s were also with MG 151s. Also note that the G-14/AS variant is what we know ingame as "G-6/AS". This is wrong, because "real" G-6/*** were using DB 605AS engines, whereas G-14/AS used DB 605ASM, with MW50 injection. Therefore, it's sometimes stupid to enter a server in which there is G-14/AS flyable but NO normal G-14!!!
Also, the performance of the ingame AS version is odd, as it's just a G-14, which is faster at all altitudes. Instead is should be almost as fast at sea level, and top out between 7 abd 8 K, not at 6 K. At those altitudes it should be the fastest Bf 109, except maybe the K-4.

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Danschnell
01-19-2007, 04:09 AM
Yeah. The Gr.21 rocket has always been my favourite weapon... and yes in real life all types of german aircraft could carry them, and jettison the tubes after launch.

It is unfortunate that in the game there are so many types that don't include them, and that if you do decide to take them, your plane becomes a useless dogfighter because of the drag from the expended tubes. Online, I don't take Gr21s even when they'd be useful, because I'd never make it out alive with all that drag http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Vike
01-19-2007, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Danschnell:
Yeah. The Gr.21 rocket has always been my favourite weapon... and yes in real life all types of german aircraft could carry them, and jettison the tubes after launch.

It is unfortunate that in the game there are so many types that don't include them, and that if you do decide to take them, your plane becomes a useless dogfighter because of the drag from the expended tubes. Online, I don't take Gr21s even when they'd be useful, because I'd never make it out alive with all that drag http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Here is the Me109-G6/R2:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/Me109Rox.jpg

And there is the Me109-G6/R2/R3 (>with droptank):

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/Me109Rox2.jpg

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There for the link (http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/web.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&auswahl_uv=111&auswahl_hv=1&versionscategory=9)

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IIJG69_Kartofe
01-19-2007, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Bump!!!!

Bf-109G-10

- MG151/20

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109G-14

- MG151/20

Bf-109F-2

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109F-4

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

P.S: Please edit if it's wrong.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">BUMP! </span>

DKoor
01-19-2007, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by IIJG69_Kartofe:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Bump!!!!

Bf-109G-10

- MG151/20

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109G-14

- MG151/20

Bf-109F-2

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

Bf-109F-4

- 1xSC 250

- 1xType D Droptank

<span class="ev_code_PINK">- R1 wing gondola (MG151/20) = "bomber destroyer"</span>

P.S: Please edit if it's wrong.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">BUMP! </span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1 edited http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Levon1981
01-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Now first of all it's just a suggestion, and it seems like something that would not take much work to do and would make many people happy. Now I don't really know how much work is it so if it's too much - forget I said anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The adition would be MG151/20 in the nose as an optional loadout for the BF109G14 and BF109G10. Now I know the background of this issue but:
1. It was infact quite common for German 109's IIRC, so it's not a fantasy wish.
2. By default they would still have mk108 like Hungarian examples should
3. We already have various aircrafts performance based on various tests, I know that allegdly
only Hungarian 109's met factory specs and since they had mk108 only, we have them, but if we look at the whole game and especially the latest aditons, I don't think anybody would mind something as small as this, infact I think most would be happy having this option http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature"><br/><br/>This is my sig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I absolutely agree, because of it's better ballistics the MG-151/20 suits much better for fighter vs fighter combat, although it doesn't do MK-108's damage. Moreover I suggest that we have an optional MG-151/20 for Bf-109K-4 too. I've read that sometimes in field conditions the MK-108 was replaced by MG-151/20 cannon, due to pilots' requests.

arrow80
02-01-2007, 07:56 AM
bump

JG52Karaya-X
02-01-2007, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Levon1981:
Moreover I suggest that we have an optional MG-151/20 for Bf-109K-4 too. I've read that sometimes in field conditions the MK-108 was replaced by MG-151/20 cannon, due to pilots' requests.

The 20mm and 30mm could not be exchanged in the field. You would among other things also have to replace the spinner bore and do some changes to the cockpit as well (ever noticed the Mk108 sticking into there?). Thats why the Mk108 on the late Gustavs is traded as "U4" (= Umrüstbausatz), these could only be applied either directly during production or in larger maintenance/repair bays.

On the Bf109K4 only few early production models had a 20mm because of lack of supply on the 30mm.

Stackhouse25th
02-02-2007, 10:32 AM
why dont u chaps just learn how the velocity on the 30mm cannon works? or implement rearm refuel so u can return to base and get more 30mm in case u missed.

JG53Frankyboy
02-02-2007, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
why dont u chaps just learn how the velocity on the 30mm cannon works? or implement rearm refuel so u can return to base and get more 30mm in case u missed.

well, from my experience from the COOP based onlinear VOW2 the most allied pilots would be happy NOT to face so much MK108s in late war missions............... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
the only way to avoid this is to use the Bf109G-6/AS (weaponrestrictions used) - but this plane, well........
i would like to have more the typical late bred&butter 109 , the G-14, with the more ususal weapons for missionbuilding.

if im free to choose, i always take the MK108 - mostly a one hit kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MOH_Hirth
02-02-2007, 04:46 PM
My last:

P-36 cockpit and Spitfire MK-I, but is too late...

JG54_Lukas
02-02-2007, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
why dont u chaps just learn how the velocity on the 30mm cannon works?

Because the 20mm cannon was a common loadout on the G-14 and G-10?

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Bartolomeo_ita
02-02-2007, 11:54 PM
hey what about the g6's turn rate? I think it sucks... to be honest i prefer a g2 without weapon than a g6 :|

JG52Karaya-X
02-07-2007, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
hey what about the g6's turn rate? I think it sucks... to be honest i prefer a g2 without weapon than a g6 :|

Thats because both G6s are missing a good 2 secs of their turntime...

The G2 has a best turn time of ~20-20.5 secs, the G6s with barely 70kg more come in at an excessive 23secs, thats more than a gunpoded G6 needed in real life for a full turn!

They should actually have a best turn time of 20.5-21 secs!