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Afromike1
03-30-2009, 02:44 PM
Does anybody know what up with the current BOB scene so far? I havnt checked back for a while, has their been progress lately to make this game? Does anybody still know when the release date will be?

Urufu_Shinjiro
03-30-2009, 02:50 PM
I can only assume that Oleg is super busy trying to get this thing done by the end of the year.

slipBall
03-30-2009, 03:41 PM
These are the most recent words that I have read from Mr. Big
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthre...opics/2692397/2.html (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2692397/2.html)

Afromike1
03-30-2009, 08:59 PM
Arn't there only like 5 people in total making the actual game? Why doesnt Oleg just hire more people, im sure he has made a lot of money so far from IL2.

VW-IceFire
03-30-2009, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Afromike1:
Arn't there only like 5 people in total making the actual game? Why doesnt Oleg just hire more people, im sure he has made a lot of money so far from IL2.
From the video that they put together that came with IL-2 1946 on the bonus DVD I'm fairly certain the team is MUCH larger than that.

What gave you that impression?

Also based on the latest interview the team at RRG is assisting Oleg's team with content creation (models and textures presumably).

EdStraker
03-31-2009, 05:19 AM
....I'm thinking that BOB is just a BIG RUMOUR!!

Uufflakke
03-31-2009, 06:30 AM
The grass looks very detailed and imagine you would get those tracks in the fields. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/SOW02.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/SOW03.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/SOW01.jpg

And here you will see some more new screenies (well, they look new to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif):

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/cat...ow/screenshots/2009/ (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/category/sow/screenshots/2009/)

HayateAce
03-31-2009, 08:04 AM
New Oleg quote:

"Still can't asnwer when.... Even don't ask me please."

Xiolablu3
03-31-2009, 08:20 AM
WHat is that aircraft in the 2nd pic Uuflakke?

FoolTrottel
03-31-2009, 08:33 AM
Avro Anson.

Uufflakke
03-31-2009, 08:45 AM
Just like FT said: Avro Anson. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Insuber
03-31-2009, 12:02 PM
IMHO,

Project's schedule (and therefore budget) can go astray for different reasons:

1. wrong initial manhours estimate: likely the case for a new product like BoB, where everything had to be built from scratch, from graphics engine, to maps, planes, etc. If you underestimate by say 50% the manhours, your schedule will double if workforce is the same

2. changes: new features are added, either because of customer demands or simply because of people's creativity, and additional manhours must be spent, hitting again budget and schedule.

3. productivity: I hope this is not the case, but poorly skilled resources, lack of motivation etc could lower the productivity and inflate manhours

4 .... loss of personnel, miscommunication between the different teams, bad planning of resources, cashflow issues ... you name it.

Of course we'll never know, but normally if a project starts badly, it finishes worsely, and schedule issues become budget issues and end up as quality issues.

We risk in other words not getting it at all, or getting a flawed product needing a lot of patches to work decently. I underline RISK, not certitude, that is something you can mitigate or prevent with an adequate action plan and good management skills.

But this is only frustration venting ... given that BOB was first announced for sep 2006, if I remember well.

Regards,
Insuber

HayateAce
03-31-2009, 01:33 PM
Bob Nukem!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
03-31-2009, 04:06 PM
We need to also remember that Oleg, in his last interview, clarified the dev time for SoW. It has not been in development since it was announced, it was initially a seldom worked on side project based on enhancing the il2 engine. They then determined a whole new engine should be made and actual full time development only began after 1946! So considering the time it took from beginning of development of il2 until it's release in 2001, SoW is progressing quite rapidly. We have just been under the mistaken assumption that SoW has been in development a lot longer than it really has.

Feathered_IV
04-01-2009, 05:18 AM
They then determined a whole new engine should be made and actual full time development only began after 1946!

Quite possibe. Especially when you look closer at the in-game shots that came with the 1946 disk. Much of it is actually taken from a pimped up version of Il-2. The volumetric clouds for example, that they touted as an all new innovation, are currently possible just by changing a few numbers in the cloud config. Nothing new there.

Several other shots from the bonus DVD are probably misleading too. The landscape could easily be that of Birds of Prey (not the other way around, as many here imagined). Only the 3D models are somewhat authentic. Although some of these are admittedly developed for shared use by a number of different game titles currently under development through 1c.
I suspect that the DVD was thrown together in a great hurry to try and give a greater impression of progress than really existed.

I don't expect SoW any time soon. To be honest, I don't really expect it at all. I find Oleg's comments on Il-2 offering him great freedom to be just PR spin. He is struggling with a skeleton crew of staff, and a vast flock of disorganised overseas 3rd-party enthusiasts, on contract with a promise of pay on the sometime-never (like with PF). The job is far too big for him and his resources are far too small and scattered. No way in hell will we see anything released before this time next year. And quite frankly I doubt Maddox games' ability to remain solvent much further than that either. Simple math.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Skarphol
04-01-2009, 03:13 PM
Well, I think there is no indiaction that this is vapourware. In every interview he states that they are working hard and making progress. But I think there is a lot of indications that not all is well in the project.

Skarphol

slipBall
04-01-2009, 03:20 PM
The game is coming, the waiting is the hard part

JarheadEd
04-01-2009, 11:30 PM
Looking at this link........ http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/cat...ow/screenshots/2009/ fom uufflakke I see a M19 GMC, M-10 tank destroyer and a M24 Chaffee. Those, if from a BOB:SOW update are way too late war to be BOB. Are they from Project Galba?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/JarheadEd/grab00011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/JarheadEd/grab00021.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/JarheadEd/grab00031.jpg

Feathered_IV
04-02-2009, 06:06 AM
Blue-screen WiP images from 3rd party contributors....

Insuber
04-02-2009, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They then determined a whole new engine should be made and actual full time development only began after 1946!

Quite possibe. Especially when you look closer at the in-game shots that came with the 1946 disk. Much of it is actually taken from a pimped up version of Il-2. The volumetric clouds for example, that they touted as an all new innovation, are currently possible just by changing a few numbers in the cloud config. Nothing new there.

Several other shots from the bonus DVD are probably misleading too. The landscape could easily be that of Birds of Prey (not the other way around, as many here imagined). Only the 3D models are somewhat authentic. Although some of these are admittedly developed for shared use by a number of different game titles currently under development through 1c.
I suspect that the DVD was thrown together in a great hurry to try and give a greater impression of progress than really existed.

I don't expect SoW any time soon. To be honest, I don't really expect it at all. I find Oleg's comments on Il-2 offering him great freedom to be just PR spin. He is struggling with a skeleton crew of staff, and a vast flock of disorganised overseas 3rd-party enthusiasts, on contract with a promise of pay on the sometime-never (like with PF). The job is far too big for him and his resources are far too small and scattered. No way in hell will we see anything released before this time next year. And quite frankly I doubt Maddox games' ability to remain solvent much further than that either. Simple math.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly agree. Additionnally, an evident lack of management capabilities in the team.

Ins

major_setback
04-02-2009, 03:39 PM
I think there is a serious risk that as the fanbase becomes older they will lose interst in this project. Younger players may have no real interest in this era.
I used to play this game every day. I only played online one time in the past six months (it only needed one idiot to call me a name and I left, quickly). I have only played offline on about 6 occasions in the past 6 months.

I used to be waiting for BoB, I got tired of that. Now I haven't the energy. It will be nice to see it when it comes though.

I updated my rig 3 years ago in anticipation of BoB. This game costs a lot. I'll have to see if I will be playing in the future. Maybe; if I get another computer. It doesn't worry me though at all, I've found other interests now.

JG52Uther
04-02-2009, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by major_setback:
I think there is a serious risk that as the fanbase becomes older they will lose interst in this project. Younger players may have no real interest in this era.
I used to play this game every day. I only played online one time in the past six months (it only needed one idiot to call me a name and I left, quickly). I have only played offline on about 6 occasions in the past 6 months.

I used to be waiting for BoB, I got tired of that. Now I haven't the energy. It will be nice to see it when it comes though.

I updated my rig 3 years ago in anticipation of BoB. This game costs a lot. I'll have to see if I will be playing in the future. Maybe; if I get another computer. It doesn't worry me though at all, I've found other interests now.

WOW I could have written that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-02-2009, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Insuber: Additionnally, an evident lack of management capabilities in the team.

Ins

Where is this evident? I think it's pretty evident that Oleg knows exactly what he wants and that's what he gets, seems like management has it under control to me...

slipBall
04-02-2009, 04:13 PM
Where the hell is the faith and loyalty? The man has a big dream, and is trying to make it happen for himself, and us. If there was no chance of it happening, he would have told us all by now. Just chill out and get ready instead of http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif I want it now

Alikaswat
04-02-2009, 05:20 PM
All I can tell you is if you're still waiting for BOB, you're an idiot.

ElAurens
04-02-2009, 07:06 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


The sniveling in this thread is beyond belief.

toogame
04-02-2009, 08:38 PM
Put it this way, when BOB is released the sales will hit the roof, suspense has made everyone wanting to go out a buy even pre-order.

Codger1949
04-03-2009, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
I think there is a serious risk that as the fanbase becomes older they will lose interst in this project. Younger players may have no real interest in this era.
I used to play this game every day. I only played online one time in the past six months (it only needed one idiot to call me a name and I left, quickly). I have only played offline on about 6 occasions in the past 6 months.

I used to be waiting for BoB, I got tired of that. Now I haven't the energy. It will be nice to see it when it comes though.

I updated my rig 3 years ago in anticipation of BoB. This game costs a lot. I'll have to see if I will be playing in the future. Maybe; if I get another computer. It doesn't worry me though at all, I've found other interests now.

WOW I could have written that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, me too.

UnknownTarget
04-04-2009, 08:21 AM
Good luck waiting for BoB. How long has it been? Seriously, A) Oleg made the mistake of announcing it too early, B) made the mistake of, having done that, not updating the community on the progress of the project, and finally C) not finishing the game within a reasonable time span.

Also, all the screenshots we've been shown so far honestly look too much like IL-2 to me; I remember reading the replies on the forum when those shots and video came out of the Spitfire over the British Coast; people were drooling over them and all I could think was "Geeze, those graphics are old. And it looks like it flies just like IL-2".

I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for posting this instead of praising how awesome Oleg is and how we should all give him time and patience and love him and all his work and bla bla bla - but we've done that for quite a long time now and all we've gotten is a few shots of ancient tech. Where are some time lapse videos of this supposed dynamic weather in action? What about this new damage model? Any of this? Any of this recently?

slipBall
04-04-2009, 09:05 AM
You have to keep in mind how huge a project this really is. If you read his words, it sounds like they just about reached the crest, and its downhill from here.

(quote)
Right now about 60%. This means that from that time we will go much faster. Because 60% is together with close to ready totally new 3D engine, that took the most development time before. In Parallel we were making models, textures, and many other things, which where changed many times during these years due to changes of acceptable technology and new good ideas how to make it... Also the RRG team currently on 90% works for BoB. This is a great help from them.

Still can't asnwer when.... Even don't ask me please.
Criesis makes it slowly for sure and its hard time now. But we are working hard as well.

Swivet
04-04-2009, 10:12 AM
BOB who? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
IL246 is it, as far as WW2 sims for me..not losing sleep over SOW until it's actually released. The longer it takes the more they will put into it..With the mods released IL2 just keeps me "that" much more interested...I'm not even thinkin about anything else until it's on the store shelf...If i put it outta my mind, i will be more blown away when it finally does come out. I barely have enough time for this sim as it is.

csThor
04-04-2009, 10:48 AM
Quite frankly the silence is relaxing (to me). At least no contests between posters who has the most ridiculous expectations or who has most obviously lost his marbles ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously: When Oleg made updates all he got was another new level of (unrealistic) expectations and "Want! Gimme! Now! Yesterday!" I think he doesn't need that, we don't need that, either, and it does not help the project move towards the finish. At one point he will have to put the cards on the table, but taking my experiences with "Development Updates" into consideration I'd say silence is the better alternative until you really have flesh on the bones (remember the howls when all we got as updates were screenshots?). My 0,02 ...

Insuber
04-04-2009, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Where the hell is the faith and loyalty? The man has a big dream, and is trying to make it happen for himself, and us. If there was no chance of it happening, he would have told us all by now. Just chill out and get ready instead of http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif I want it now

No crying, just indifference rising ... or agnosticism in your metaphor. Faith must be fed with preaches, shows of the pope Oleg on the balcony, miracles, images of saints and so on. We haven't got any them from loooong time. I'm afraid that this religion is loosing appeal and followers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Insuber

DrHerb
04-04-2009, 11:44 AM
Admit it...when BOB is released.....you all are gonna buy it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Afromike1
04-04-2009, 01:41 PM
I think I good solution to all this fan-hate is for the Oleg team to make a Twitter account http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

That way we can know every step of their developing progress.

McHilt
04-04-2009, 01:57 PM
I don't understand all the whining about the expected updates every time again.
Let the Man do his work and be happy with what you're given. csThor: that silence is not bad at all... (although I have to admit I check the update page on a regular basis http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif but that's because of my high level of curiosity)

Hell, let's stick to the sunny side and bet on a mindblowing piece of work... I believe in Oleg.

Insuber
04-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by DrHerb:
Admit it...when BOB is released.....you all are gonna buy it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Of course ... if the prophet will be back, faith in him will revive. Simple. If he makes a preach, or gives us a simple sign of his existence, more adepts will come.

Ins

doogerie
04-06-2009, 01:04 AM
the last update I saw was from just after the new year it said that the game will be finished this year to be honist I am happy to wate .Think about this Il2 is amazingly good so i am ahppy with that for the time being BoB intests me as it was as Churhill said "Our finest hour" but i am ahppy to whate for a game that can do this part of our history justace.

Feathered_IV
04-06-2009, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by DrHerb:
Admit it...when BOB is released.....you all are gonna buy it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm thinking no. Nowadays, the thought of going through all the angst, arguments and thousands of dollars necessary to keep up to date just make me so tired. I don't think I can really go through all the waiting and hoping and checking for news, bug fixes and everything else that goes with it. The sh*t storms over who's plane is porked and patches delayed six months after they are promised. Checking in every single day for some scrap and tidbits. I'm exhausted by seven years of Oleg Maddox. I'll take my money and plug myself into Neoqb central instead this time. My PC meets their recommended specs. Maybe I'll buy it sometime later "if all goes well". Reap what you SoW.

doogerie
04-06-2009, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Alikaswat:
All I can tell you is if you're still waiting for BOB, you're an idiot.

No you're an idiot for writing that it will come when it comes i am not going to be holing my breath for it but i think it will be out in the next 2 years

orville07
04-06-2009, 04:44 AM
*Yawn* Sorry people but these threads are becoming insufferably dull and boring. I don't know why I even bother reading them anymore. People who claim to know the inner machinations of what is going on, in fact know nothing and it is all merely speculation. They are entitled to speculation, conjecture and their apparently expert "extrapolation" but please don't pretend it is anymore than that. "Reality is that part of the imagination we all agree on". It will be out when it is out. Sheesh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif