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dixiechick1964
01-15-2006, 12:44 PM
Hi all..
Whats the correct setting to get the gunners in the HE111s to droop over after you kill them, and i think i also heard way back when FB first started something about blood on the inside of the cockpits of the 109s.
Currently my gore settings in the ini. file is at 0.

dixiechick1964
01-15-2006, 12:44 PM
Hi all..
Whats the correct setting to get the gunners in the HE111s to droop over after you kill them, and i think i also heard way back when FB first started something about blood on the inside of the cockpits of the 109s.
Currently my gore settings in the ini. file is at 0.

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-15-2006, 12:46 PM
Change it to '1' - I think the blood has been taken out to appease the fluffy-bunny brigade, though.

dixiechick1964
01-15-2006, 12:51 PM
LOL..
thanks.. you dont want my opinion on fluffy-bunnys..

slo123
01-15-2006, 01:08 PM
i think they shoulda left the gore um duh thats why it's a setting the fluffy bunnys could turn off and every else could leave it on i myself say bring it back i want the gore easier to know u can stop shootin cause the pilots dead if his face is splattered on the canopy

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-15-2006, 02:10 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/bunnies.jpg

han freak solo
01-17-2006, 12:55 PM
Yeah, back in patch 3.07 we had gore like this.

http://www.lssdigital.com/rufemission05.jpg

http://www.lssdigital.com/rufemission06.jpg

We don't need that sort of thing out in the general public you know.

steve_v
01-17-2006, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/bunnies.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://x702.putfile.com/videos/a5-220182363.wmv

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-17-2006, 04:22 PM
You realise I'm too scared to go to bed now, don't you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

slo123
01-17-2006, 06:44 PM
which is why u would hae a setting u do in other games i have a few hunting ssims where u can turn off blood and animal dieing and all that stuff

LStarosta
01-17-2006, 06:46 PM
Yah, horse-strafing in P47's is hella tight.

Liberator_13th
01-17-2006, 08:21 PM
Uhhh....is this a joke? Never heard of gore settings... Maybe I need a better graphics card...

Someone help me!!!!

I have an Integrated ATI RADEON xpress 200. And it sucks!!

slo123
01-17-2006, 09:23 PM
no u dont there is no gore any more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif they got rid of because the "fluffy bunnys"

Skycat_2
01-17-2006, 11:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liberator_13th:
Uhhh....is this a joke? Never heard of gore settings... Maybe I need a better graphics card...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't need a better card becuase there really never was much of anything to see. The 'gore' was limited to the Bf-109F and the He-111 and maybe one other plane if I remember correctly, and only amounted to a pinkish-red smear on the canopy glass near the pilot's head in external view. It wasn't flying limbs or shredded pilots or even blood splattered all over your instrument panel in the first-person view.

The slumped pilots were put into only some of the new planes in Forgotten Battles; the P-47 had a weird bug where two pilots would appear in the cockpit (one slumped, one upright) and it looked ... uhhh ... suspicious ...

Jane's WWII Fighters had a hidden gore setting for blood splatters inside the cockpit, BTW. I thought it was cool when I first saw it but without some way of modeling the pilot's accompanying loss of ability (IE, loss of arm or shattered legs, etc.) it really is just a graphic novelty. As for the gore showing in external views so you can seef when other players are killed, my vision isn't good enough that I can tell either way unless I'm watching other planes in F2 view or something.

I'm fairly certain that HanSoloFreak is pulling your leg about the severed limbs, even allowing the possibility that he might have been a beta tester for a never released 3.07 patch. His screenshots are a clever exploit of the fact that bailing pilots pass through their aircraft ... if you look closely at the bottom image you can see see where the pilot's arm has been cloned out.

F0_Dark_P
01-18-2006, 05:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skycat_2:
Jane's WWII Fighters had a hidden gore setting for blood splatters inside the cockpit.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> remember that i downloded a mod to Janes WWII Figthers to increase the gore xD that was nice.

want gore to the next patch!!1

SeaFireLIV
01-18-2006, 05:38 AM
Bah. I`ve given up about the blood, it was a really great touch of realism. In my early rookie pilot days i was following my flight leader (ah those were the days) after we shot up a few HE111s and there was just one left, still flying.

"Let`s go closer and see if the crew are dead, says the leader. I wondered what he meant, surely you couldn`t see the dead crew...

We flew real close and I zoomed my view briefly. Not only could you see slumped crew members, but the red stuff all over the canopies!

"Yep. All dead, plane`s going down," confirms the leader.

I was well impressed.

But then Oleg had to censore it all with FB+. What a royal shame. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Friendly_flyer
01-18-2006, 05:49 AM
Slumping pilots would be a god thing. I don't need blood and innards all over the cockpits, but being able to see if the pilot was dead or not in all planes would have been nice.

gotha_g.IV
01-18-2006, 05:59 AM
I like to see splashed brains on the windscreen, broken bones, bones sticking out of limbs, heads blown off, etc etc.

Like i have time to watch that kind of stuff, i'm way to busy to keep the plane in the air! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Fox_3
01-18-2006, 06:15 AM
The front gunner on the MBR-2 used to hang over the side of his open position surrounded by gore. The rear gunner on the U2V also did the same but without the gore.

triad773
01-18-2006, 09:46 AM
I had started a topic ealier this month when I first noticed the gore level in the config file. Got similar posts. I agree it is too bad they took it out. If it was that well hidden to begin with then I think they should have left it. If it were off by default then it would truly be up to the flyer to have it on (or not). To not have it in adds to those who might argue that such a game as this (and similar) glorify war by omitting such. Besides, even with such a setting enabled, it isn't to such a extent that people would play it just for the gore level. To fly with as much realism as possible is desirable, no?

Worf101
01-18-2006, 10:08 AM
I find it strange that we're here begging for the minimum when the average First Person Shooter is an absolute gore fest. I mean Call of Duty 2 has minimal gore, no pools of blood etc blown off limbs.. but when you pop a guy with a head shot you see a splash of red and his helmet goes flying (if you're unlucky though you then see him back up sans helmet firing away at you like mad). Lot's of dead bodies but no holes in em. Least ways you know when they're dead.

In "FarCry" you had gore out the ying yang. Holes in bodies, pools of icor the whole nine yards. You could turn it off, but I didn't as it was fun to play "make a face on da body" sometimes. IL2/FB/AEP/PF should have an optional gore setting so you can see some reaction to your shooting an marksmanship. Heck if you can tell you killed the rear gunner or pilot it make for a more immersive game to mie as well as bring the game in line with the current "reality" of computer games.

Worf101 99th Pusuit Sqaudron 332nd V.F.G. "Spit Fire"

Cold_Gambler
01-18-2006, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
I find it strange that we're here begging for the minimum when the average First Person Shooter is an absolute gore fest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HEAR HEAR!
It's not like those titles' sales suffer because of it either.
Slumping with a red smear is pretty darn tame (just like "darn") in comparison.

major_setback
01-18-2006, 11:37 AM
If I remember rightly the first IL2 had lots more ground crew/personnel at airfields and they were sent running in all directions when you attacked. Someone wrote earlier post that this was removed for the same reason...to stop us strafing them ( which I concede might not be suitable for some youngsters to see). It's a shame we don't have this though...it's far more realistic that way!

This is a shot from the original IL2 game...do we have people running anymore? (It might be that they are only there as they come from the vehicles on the airfield).

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/scr030414005kopia2.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-18-2006, 12:03 PM
I've just run a QMB airbase attack, Crimea map - they're still there...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Runners.jpg

Can't remember ever seeing running American or Japanese troops though. Anyone?

triad773
01-18-2006, 01:47 PM
Is there some setting in the config file I missed? What say we repost this in Oleg's Ready Room to see if we can get this restored to what it was? It's not like it would be enough to change the rating, would it? Little dudes running from your flaming guns would be great, but I don't remember seeing them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

joeap
01-18-2006, 02:38 PM
Try it strafe some trucks...got to be close to see them though.

SeaFireLIV
01-18-2006, 02:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triad773:
Is there some setting in the config file I missed? What say we repost this in Oleg's Ready Room to see if we can get this restored to what it was? It's not like it would be enough to change the rating, would it? Little dudes running from your flaming guns would be great, but I don't remember seeing them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The little dudes are still there, right up to today, but doesn`t appear to work for japanese/US Pacific theatre trucks.

As for getting at Oleg to return the blood, leaning bodies to FB, well, a number of us tried that, but between being ignored and those who, for some reason that i still can`t fathom, insisted on interjecting and poo-pooing the idea it just never happened. There are a lot of guys out there who want to fight a war virtually, but balk at even a tiny bit of blood on the cockpit glass.

And they`ll give you all kinds of reasons why not to have it.

slo123
01-18-2006, 02:59 PM
some1 start a poll to see who wants the gore and who doesent

major_setback
01-18-2006, 03:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
I've just run a QMB airbase attack, Crimea map - they're still there...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Runners.jpg

Can't remember ever seeing running American or Japanese troops though. Anyone? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aah, but 'my' men are running long before the attack..as if obeying an air-raid warning. The gunsmoke on the picture is from anti-aircraft whatsits, not enemy fire.
'A bit more realistic if they take cover before you're hitting the airfield.

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-18-2006, 03:44 PM
Hmmmmm....curiouser and curiouser....I'll investigate further. Agree with you about legging it before the attack run - it's what I'd do.

slo123
01-18-2006, 04:13 PM
ok fine i'll post a vote on whether we want gore or not

Skycat_2
01-18-2006, 04:13 PM
As far as I know the little men only run from German vehicles. They used to run from road convoys as well ... the problem is that they are so small that they're hard to see from the cockpit unless you're right on top of them. I don't think they run from tanks or trains, just the truck convoys.

tagTaken2
01-18-2006, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:

In "FarCry" you had gore out the ying yang. Holes in bodies, pools of icor the whole nine yards. You could turn it off, but I didn't as it was fun to play "make a face on da body" sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

One of the scientists in RtCW was being unhelpful, so I kicked him to death. Then I kept kicking the body for the next five minutes until there was a patch of blood like 10 feet wide.

Probably could have filled the room if index finger hadn't gotten sore.

han freak solo
01-18-2006, 05:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skycat_2:

I'm fairly certain that HanSoloFreak is pulling your leg about the severed limbs, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhhh, that's an arm not a leg. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-18-2006, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:

Aah, but 'my' men are running long before the attack..as if obeying an air-raid warning. The gunsmoke on the picture is from anti-aircraft whatsits, not enemy fire.
'A bit more realistic if they take cover before you're hitting the airfield. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but YOU set that up at an airfield. In a normal situation, like on on the road, they don`t actually start running until you begin to dive at them, even if you don`t shoot. Quite realistic I say.

Skycat_2
01-18-2006, 07:07 PM
First, more running men ... This is taken with v4.02m while I was strafing a German column on the QMB Moscow map:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Skycat/FB%20Pilots/RuningMen402b.jpg

I started experimenting with the He-111 in v4.02m. I set the He-111 as 'empty' so it wouldn't shoot back. On my first pass I killed the top gunner, dorsal gunner, nose gunner and I think the waist gunner ... there was no blood with High Gore turned on in conf.ini but the dead gunners all slumped over with eyes closed and head down. I didn't even bother taking a screenshot of that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Next I went Old School and did my He-111 experiment in "IL-2 Sturmovik" v1.2ov:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Skycat/FB%20Pilots/BloodyHe111b.jpg
No matter how many times I did the experiment, I never saw any gunner except the nose gunner die or show blood. In fact, it looked like the top gunner was could take direct hits and still soldier on.

Next I moved on to the Bf109F-4:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Skycat/FB%20Pilots/Bloody109a.jpg
I had one instance where the canopy popped off at the same moment the pilot died; the canopy floated away while the blood streaks remained around the dead pilot like a curtain. Kind of wierd!
I wanted to see what would happen if I was piloting the F-4 and got killed:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Skycat/FB%20Pilots/Bloody109b.jpg
I tried the same experiment in the I-16 (it doesn't have gore) and there was no change to the first person view when I got killed, just a message that said I had been killed.

Finally, I set up a mission where I could frag a friendly MBR float plane. This is the macabre results:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Skycat/FB%20Pilots/BloodyMBRa.jpg

han freak solo
01-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Wow! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Compared to the rest of the video game market that's but a drop in the ol' blood bucket.

Since I never see it in this sim, it evokes gruesome thoughts. It is just a game though, no matter what it represents.

[pot stirred]

GuNzABlaZiN
01-18-2006, 08:30 PM
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9483/chuckdanger6gz.jpg

Not only did IL2 version 1.2 have blood and gore, it also had Chuck Norris. And not only that, the blood that is all over the front of that airplane is in fact yours. See, Chuck Norris, being the grand master that he is, round-house kicked your plane so hard, that your heart had to ctrl-e out of your chest, only to be caught and squeezed into a fine mist by Chuck Norris' almighty hand.

han freak solo
01-18-2006, 08:33 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Stoyanov
01-19-2006, 01:58 AM
the fallen 109 pilot looks unreal because the pilot is fastened with belts to his seat. However I'm for the high gore settings, they rally add to the immersion of the game.....