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JohnClabo
02-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Hi there, hopefully no one gets upset with me asking for some friendly advice/help.

I used to play many aircraft combat games back in the day. After nearly 6 years of being away from the genre, Im wanting to dogfight again.

I had a question about this game...

Is IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles the same game that everyone here is playing? If not, what is...

Does IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles give me American fighters and British spitfires as well?


If you guys and girls could help me out here I'd REALLY appreciate it.

Thanks again,
John

WWMaxGunz
02-26-2007, 02:47 PM
The series is the same but has evolved. Depending on where you are you may have to order the
last disc set out as it may well not be in stores near you, it was not marketed in US stores.
Example, I bought from GoGamer (link) (http://www.gogamer.com) but missed the pre-order.

What you want is IL2 Sturmovik:1946, a two DVD set though the full game is on disc 1.

After that, the latest patch and possibly next to last is v4.08m at about 140MB, and
there are more official missions also for download.
Then you find the Essential Downloads for the community resources and you are set.

6 years. Well I can tell ya, this makes EAW and CFS look like AotP did compared to them,
only more so!

Yes there are Brit and US planes. Will you have issues with some planes? Probably, it
depends on your POV. There are so many different plane types and variants it is incredible.

We have this and we await SOW:BoB (Storm of War:Battle of Britain) which will have fewer
planes at much higher detail levels. It is good we have time because hardware requirements
for that will be steep!

BTW, welcome to the community at large and the UBI ZOO in particular!

BadA1m
02-26-2007, 02:55 PM
What he said! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stanford-ukded
02-26-2007, 03:02 PM
If you're looking to play online and are new, I'm going to unashamedly plug http://www.battle-fields.com and their UK-Dedicated servers. A fair few aces hang around on the forums who are always happy to help. If you can jump on team speak, guys there will also happily help you along in real time.

They've just released a third server - UKD3 - which is now full-real. UKD1 is fast action, no cockpit and the easiest to learn on. UKD2 offers locked cockpits but still allows externals - one step up on the difficulty ladder.

Hope to see you there!

JohnClabo
02-26-2007, 03:14 PM
Was 1946 released in the US? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

If not...Does anyone still play Forgotten Battles? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

VW-IceFire
02-26-2007, 03:29 PM
Nobody that I know of plays Forgotten Battles online. Its old, its very much out of date, so its best that you get IL-2 1946.

If you are in the US then there are two places you can get 1946.

http://www.gogamer.com/
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/

Either is good. I got my copy from NWS as they were the only ones to ship to Canada.

IL-2 1946 is completely worth it as the price is the same as the original game but with allot more content. If you want the Spitfires and Mustangs and Thunderbolts then you'd be better off with this than original Forgotten Battles as this one has much more!

JohnClabo
02-26-2007, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Nobody that I know of plays Forgotten Battles online. Its old, its very much out of date, so its best that you get IL-2 1946.

If you are in the US then there are two places you can get 1946.

http://www.gogamer.com/
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/

Either is good. I got my copy from NWS as they were the only ones to ship to Canada.

IL-2 1946 is completely worth it as the price is the same as the original game but with allot more content. If you want the Spitfires and Mustangs and Thunderbolts then you'd be better off with this than original Forgotten Battles as this one has much more!

Ok and that'll work on a North American PC?

FA_Retro-Burn
02-26-2007, 06:26 PM
Yes. I recieved my copy from gogamer.com.

JohnClabo
02-26-2007, 08:23 PM
Awesome...well when I find 40 bucks laying around *could be a while... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif* I'll see you in the skies!

VW-IceFire
02-26-2007, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by JohnClabo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Nobody that I know of plays Forgotten Battles online. Its old, its very much out of date, so its best that you get IL-2 1946.

If you are in the US then there are two places you can get 1946.

http://www.gogamer.com/
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/

Either is good. I got my copy from NWS as they were the only ones to ship to Canada.

IL-2 1946 is completely worth it as the price is the same as the original game but with allot more content. If you want the Spitfires and Mustangs and Thunderbolts then you'd be better off with this than original Forgotten Battles as this one has much more!

Ok and that'll work on a North American PC? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No such thing man...all PC's are the same regardless of where they are from. There are hundreds if not thousands on this forum from North America all who did this...myself included.

Bearcat99
02-26-2007, 10:11 PM
The sim is a resource hog.. but it pays back huge rewards... if you have a decent rig you should have no problems... you may have to tone down the settings a tad... but even on lesser settings the sim is a stunner. Over 200 flyables... from Britian,Germany,Russia,Italy,Japan.. and of course the U.S. It doesn't hage every plane from WWII.. and you cant make your own.. but it has most of the usual suspects...

Bottom line.... get 46.. you wont be sorry.

JohnClabo
02-27-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The sim is a resource hog.. but it pays back huge rewards... if you have a decent rig you should have no problems... you may have to tone down the settings a tad... but even on lesser settings the sim is a stunner. Over 200 flyables... from Britian,Germany,Russia,Italy,Japan.. and of course the U.S. It doesn't hage every plane from WWII.. and you cant make your own.. but it has most of the usual suspects...

Bottom line.... get 46.. you wont be sorry.


I've got the following under the hood...tell me whatcha think and if it'll run the game well.


AMD 4700+ X2 Dual Core
2gigs of high speed ram
Sound Blaster X-fi
ATI 1900XTX 512mb
Asus mobo *forget the exact model but its really nice*

And I'm Rock'n the old school Microsoft Sidewinder precision pro 2..its a bit lose in the dead zone due to years and years of use, but it still works. I'll buy a new one when I get some extra cash.

WWMaxGunz
02-27-2007, 02:07 PM
No wonder it'll take you a while to drag up $40! I'm sure you will though.

You really need a better stick though and if yer tight fer bucks, see about BUILDING a
set of pedals as shown on many websites.

BadA1m
02-27-2007, 05:32 PM
I've got the following under the hood...tell me whatcha think and if it'll run the game well.


AMD 4700+ X2 Dual Core
2gigs of high speed ram
Sound Blaster X-fi
ATI 1900XTX 512mb
Asus mobo *forget the exact model but its really nice*

That'll do...... that'll do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Scen
02-28-2007, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by JohnClabo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The sim is a resource hog.. but it pays back huge rewards... if you have a decent rig you should have no problems... you may have to tone down the settings a tad... but even on lesser settings the sim is a stunner. Over 200 flyables... from Britian,Germany,Russia,Italy,Japan.. and of course the U.S. It doesn't hage every plane from WWII.. and you cant make your own.. but it has most of the usual suspects...

Bottom line.... get 46.. you wont be sorry.


I've got the following under the hood...tell me whatcha think and if it'll run the game well.


AMD 4700+ X2 Dual Core
2gigs of high speed ram
Sound Blaster X-fi
ATI 1900XTX 512mb
Asus mobo *forget the exact model but its really nice*

And I'm Rock'n the old school Microsoft Sidewinder precision pro 2..its a bit lose in the dead zone due to years and years of use, but it still works. I'll buy a new one when I get some extra cash. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not going to have any problems running this game. Well worth the money.

A quick Tip for you. This sim is not like the sim you used to play with 6 years ago. It can be a bit frustrating because the flying learning curve is steeper. Not so much you can't figure it out but this aint like old times.

Just be patient and take your time.

I'd say the biggest difference with this Sim versus one 6 years ago is that this one requires you to learn what tactics work best for your particular airplane. In the past they where rough approximations and this one is a lot more realistic. Still a PC sim but it's real good at modeling so you need to do some reading.

Anyways... In the end I think you will be very happy with this sim. After getting the hang of it I think you will be very happy you did.

Good luck and I hope to see you soon!

JohnClabo
02-28-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Scen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JohnClabo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The sim is a resource hog.. but it pays back huge rewards... if you have a decent rig you should have no problems... you may have to tone down the settings a tad... but even on lesser settings the sim is a stunner. Over 200 flyables... from Britian,Germany,Russia,Italy,Japan.. and of course the U.S. It doesn't hage every plane from WWII.. and you cant make your own.. but it has most of the usual suspects...

Bottom line.... get 46.. you wont be sorry.


I've got the following under the hood...tell me whatcha think and if it'll run the game well.


AMD 4700+ X2 Dual Core
2gigs of high speed ram
Sound Blaster X-fi
ATI 1900XTX 512mb
Asus mobo *forget the exact model but its really nice*

And I'm Rock'n the old school Microsoft Sidewinder precision pro 2..its a bit lose in the dead zone due to years and years of use, but it still works. I'll buy a new one when I get some extra cash. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not going to have any problems running this game. Well worth the money.

A quick Tip for you. This sim is not like the sim you used to play with 6 years ago. It can be a bit frustrating because the flying learning curve is steeper. Not so much you can't figure it out but this aint like old times.

Just be patient and take your time.

I'd say the biggest difference with this Sim versus one 6 years ago is that this one requires you to learn what tactics work best for your particular airplane. In the past they where rough approximations and this one is a lot more realistic. Still a PC sim but it's real good at modeling so you need to do some reading.

Anyways... In the end I think you will be very happy with this sim. After getting the hang of it I think you will be very happy you did.

Good luck and I hope to see you soon! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats great thanks! Everyone has/is being extremely open and welcoming. I cant wait to fly with you guys. I might have the game today, we'll see if it comes.

JohnClabo
02-28-2007, 11:15 PM
Ok got the game....there's definately a big learning curve. I turned too quick and ended up doing a few barrel rolls lol.

Quick questions now...There's a button in the main menu that says "Multiplay". How do I find other people to play with? Do you guys just have servers that I need to know about or whats the story behind that?

Thanks again guys and gals.

tigertalon
03-01-2007, 05:50 AM
Grab a hyperlobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=9) client, install, and there you go!

Wellcome to the madness btw! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JohnClabo
03-01-2007, 12:41 PM
Perfect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now one more question...How do I get to the view where there's NO cockpit or anything but just the cross hairs...I was doing a tutorial mission and they had it up there but I cant seem to find a way to get to that view... :S


Thanks again everyone. This game is hard as hell but I love it!

JohnClabo
03-01-2007, 01:54 PM
Oh and how do I start my engine on a bomber? lol

Cloyd
03-01-2007, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by JohnClabo:
Perfect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now one more question...How do I get to the view where there's NO cockpit or anything but just the cross hairs...

SHIFT+F1 toggles all of the so-called "Wonder Woman" views. But, don't ever admit that you use it. You'll give all of the fullrealhardcore guys a stroke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cloyd

JohnClabo
03-01-2007, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Cloyd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JohnClabo:
Perfect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now one more question...How do I get to the view where there's NO cockpit or anything but just the cross hairs...

SHIFT+F1 toggles all of the so-called "Wonder Woman" views. But, don't ever admit that you use it. You'll give all of the fullrealhardcore guys a stroke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cloyd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noted...and what about those darn bombers...how do you start their engines... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JohnClabo
03-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Hmm and all Shift f1 did was bring me closer to the sights, while still being within the cockpit. :S


I seriously appreciate everyones support/help.

PriK
03-01-2007, 11:07 PM
When you get used to everything make sure you come back and post your thoughts on why the P-51 won the war.

Cloyd
03-02-2007, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by JohnClabo:
Hmm and all Shift f1 did was bring me closer to the sights, while still being within the cockpit. :S

Oops, sorry. CTRL+F1 is the correct "no cockpit" toggle.

Cloyd

BadA1m
03-02-2007, 01:10 PM
You need to map "select engine" or "toggle engine" controls if you have seperate engine start enabled in the difficulty settings. I don't recall if there is a default setting, but I don't think so. Welcome to the madness M8.

WWMaxGunz
03-03-2007, 02:18 AM
What BadA1m said!

While you are flying solo press Escape and then click on CONTROLS.
You can make better use of your keyboard and HOTAS quickly there, never stick with all the
defaults as they are wasteful! You have a throttle so why waste the number keys on throttle
when those are better used as prop pitch (unless you have that on a rotary or slider)?
Remap your view keys and your gun triggers but do make sure you have button and key for each.
Arrow keys make better/easier primary (elevator and rudder) trim controls, set neutralize
for each as something like ctrl and then both arrows of the axis they would neutralize, you
won't have to remember which as both will work.

Really, remapping the keys/buttons/axes is a very good thing. While you are there, check
out all the unassigned functions like bombsight aiming and multi-engine selects. If you
can set macros up then you can get really tricky with those!

WWMaxGunz
03-03-2007, 02:20 AM
S! BadA1m!

Frist time tonight I saw your forum name I dyslexed on it and thought it said BadIAm!

Bearcat99
03-14-2007, 10:21 PM
You will have to program a button to select either left , right, all or individual engines.. then start them. What kind of stick setup do you have?

Duhhh.. I didnt see pg 2...LOL..

You might want to peek at this too taken from another thread:

I recommend that you do this. Go into the sim.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Preflight</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">1</span>-Go to CONTROLS and make sure that you have the following functions mapped, either to a key on your keyboard or on your stick or that you know where they are in the case that they are already mapped:
A-Chocks
B-Tailhook
C-Wing Fold
D-Radiator
E-Canopy Open
F-Supercharger > <
G-Mixture > <
H-Prop Pitch > <
I-Weapons 1-4 Machine guns, cannon, rockets & bombs.
Also All of the views...F1-F5 and FOV WIDE,NORMAL & GUNSIGHT. (These are preset I believe so just know where they are).

Lastly Trim.. elevator and rudder in particular.. aileron if possible. And Toggle engines..... All, Left,Right... To say start a P-38 you would either select all and start the engine.. or select left.. start then right start. I like having the seperate controls.

2-Go to the Quick Mission Builder>go to the difficulty screen. On that first page the only thing that you should DESELECT (meaning the light will be out) is Limited Ammo. Hit Next in the lower right hand corner and another screen will pop up. On that page DESELECT - Cockpit Always On,No External Views,No Icons,No Padlock,No Map icons,No Minimap Path and No Speedbar. All else should have a light on. Then click BACK 3 times.

NOTE: Some of these settings are temporary, just so that you can remove some of the frustration factor from the sim, however you should NEVER EVER fudge on flight settings. Keep the flying portion of the sim as realistic as possible as far as stalls ..... Where you can bend things is on the settings like external views and icons etc. Some might say eliminate CEM (Complex Engine Management) as well but I think that is a bad idea... It is best to get used to how the plane will perform in it's fullness. In the beginning these changes will help you immensely in getting used to the sim and how it works. As you get comfortable you can and should tighten things up a bit. I still use externals and icons although I very very rarely fly outside of the cockpit (As in no cockpit around you at all) and I like to set my icons extremely tight... so that they show up much closer than the default settings.. but for now this is good to learn on .

Now that you have done all that Preflight stuff comes the hands on.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hands On Phase One</span>
Go to Multiplay>Create New Server>(Make sure Gametype is Dogfight)>Create>2>Dogfight 4 or 5 (Which should be Dogfight for 2 armies winter or summer). Select a base..... For this part of the exercise select a base in the rear... any one will do.. pick a plane (I recommend that you consider one initially.. and stick with it until you at least get through phase one)> select arming. In the arming screen set your fuel to 100% set gun convergence to 300 for both for now. Hit fly. You will find yourself on the Tarmac... start your engine... taxi to the runway and take off. Fly a circuit around the airfield and land. Practice trying to do touch and gos... almost landing... fly around in the sky... turn dive.... if you crash hit escape... then refly... and do it over and over until you can get up... fly around and land reasonably well. Once you can do that and you are comfortable go on to Phase 2.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hands On Phase Two</span>
Gio back into the same multiplayer DF (DogFight) server that you have been using, but this time select a base closer to the front..as in closer to the bases of the opposite color. Select your plane. Select a weapons load.... hit fly. Take off... go to the nearest enemy base and try to bomb it. The flak will be tough. Very tough. This practice will help you to learn how to take off with ordinance.. which if you set things up correctly should be different from a clean take off... it will help you to practice ground attack. It will help you to practice landing a damaged bird.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hands On Phase Three</span>
Go into the QMB (Quick Mission Builder), set up a QM. For this first one make your enemies rookies and put them in inferior aircraft. Use all the enemy slots. Initially ONLY IN THE BEGINNING for this phase, go back to the difficulty screen and make yourself invulnerable. Do that until you start to get more hits... but be aware when you are getting hit and try to still avoid it. You will have unlimited ammo... but don't spray and pray. Now you can practice your air to air gunnery. Pay attention to how the bullets behave. The numbers in the icons are in kilometers.. so when you see a plane at .30.. that is 300 meters... the convergence number you set earlier. Dont shoot when they are too far away. When you get used to the 300 meter convergence then change it to 200-275. When you find yourself getting more accurate then change the conditions.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hands On Phase Four</span>
Remove the invulnerability.... and instead of using all the enemy slots use just two. Keep them rookies and in inferior planes though. When you get comfortable with that or ready for the next level of challenge upgrade the enemy planes... maybe give yourself a wingman... you can go through that cycle until you are competent enough to at least handle yourself. AS you cycle up with upgrading the enemy planes upgrade their skill level too... add more... add more wingmen for yourself.

By that time you will be well on your way. If you do this over say... the next 14 to 28 days... you will only suck as bad or pretty near as bad as the rest of us.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Lastly.... Hit the Sturmovik Essentials Link in my sig... lots of good stuff there. Particulaly Airwarfare.com and Mission4Today...

In Pursuit: An Online Pilot's Guide to Aerial Combat (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
Neural Dream's Aircraft Reference Guide (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=316)
Hardball's Aircraft Viewer (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=325) an online version of the guide basically.. both are very good.
Uber Quick Mission Generator (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=367) - This tool will help you to create more diverse quick missions to practice with. It comes with an extensive help file and is pretty easy to use once you do it a few times.
Mission Mate (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=8) A mission building utility similar to The U.Q.M.G. but different. IMO both are good and deserving of a place on any FB simmers HD. I think MM is a bit easier to use.... but The UQMG has other features that make it a must have as well.... better to have and use both. You will never need the QMB again.
IL2 Manager 5.0 (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=355) This utility will allow you to make certain adjustments within the config file.. like graphics setting etc. on a gui. While it is highly recommended that you learn where these things are in the config file, once you know that... easy and quick is the way to go. It also has a stick editor which will allow you to set up different profiles for your joystick sensitivity settings.
IL2 Stab (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1444) Similar to IL2 Manager but without the stick editor and with a Diary feature.
VAC (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=search)- Voice Actvated Commands - This utility is very similar to SHOOT.. it allows you to interact with your PC and thus the sim with voice commands. Very useful in coops. A bit tricky.. but a good program.
Sniper's Corner (http://ourworld.cs.com/Abra772/SC_2_Eng.zip) a nice utility to help get the angles aspect of A2A gunnery in your head - Gunnery at AW.C (http://www.airwarfare.com/tactics/tactics_fwgunnery.htm)-A good explenation of the tool and what is does. Also this entire section at AW.C is a really good resource.

ACM (http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/ACM.zip) - Short for Air Comabt Maneuvers - This program will show you a short video of various combat maneuvers.... yo yos, immelmans etc. It is a very usefull tool.

There are tons more to be found here M4T Downloads (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=search) and some excellent guides on everything from setting up yourhardware to mission building here AW.C guides (http://airwarfare.com/simnetwork/index.php)but I figured these were good starting points to get us on our way and to help any newcomers get up to speed.

Lurch1962
03-15-2007, 05:33 PM
John,
Before flying a mission, Click "Controls". It's a long list of keyboard and joystick assignments, although many controls will be blank. If a control you wish to use has no assignment, mouse click the blank field to the right of a control name and hit the key(s) you'd like to assign. Each control can have two key assignments, if you wish. But if you accidentally add a second which you don't want, simply re-enter your preferred choice a couple of times to delete the unwanted one.

By the way, for the HOTAS assignments at the bottom, you move the axis of the appropriate device to have it recognized.

If you fly multi-engined aircraft and have "Complex Engine Management" enabled (in the Difficulties section), I believe you'll have to use the separate engine start controls. With CEM disabled, the usual Engine Start control will fire up all engines simultaneously.

Again, carefully review the "Controls" section! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

--Lurch--

BadA1m
03-16-2007, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
S! BadA1m!

Frist time tonight I saw your forum name I dyslexed on it and thought it said BadIAm!

LOL, That works too!

BTW How ya doing JohnClabo? Getting blown out of the sky regularly on Hyperlobby yet? It's worth it, that first kill is almost as good as sex.