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msalama
02-08-2005, 03:31 AM
Just asking out of curiosity, as they are not by any means necessary for just banging away at the baddies as we know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I personally use an abbreviated & simplified checklist for all phases of flight, meaning I go through mags, flaps, control surfaces, trim settings etc. after starting & check the radiator is fully open and mix & props @ 100% before takeoff blah blah blah... I also do check that my mixture is @ 100% before finals in order to be able to execute a go-around w/ full power if need be & apply 100% prop pitch before touchdown to get max. acceleration if needed for the same reason (but not too early in order to avoid engine backloading) and so on & on...

But how about you? I personally like to do it like this since that's how the planes are (or should be) flown IRL too. Or are flown when the time permits at any rate - if one has to scramble it's all different of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

msalama
02-08-2005, 03:31 AM
Just asking out of curiosity, as they are not by any means necessary for just banging away at the baddies as we know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I personally use an abbreviated & simplified checklist for all phases of flight, meaning I go through mags, flaps, control surfaces, trim settings etc. after starting & check the radiator is fully open and mix & props @ 100% before takeoff blah blah blah... I also do check that my mixture is @ 100% before finals in order to be able to execute a go-around w/ full power if need be & apply 100% prop pitch before touchdown to get max. acceleration if needed for the same reason (but not too early in order to avoid engine backloading) and so on & on...

But how about you? I personally like to do it like this since that's how the planes are (or should be) flown IRL too. Or are flown when the time permits at any rate - if one has to scramble it's all different of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-08-2005, 03:45 AM
well i Dont use a checklist or anything but its more like a standart procedure for a certain aircraft, i.e the bf109 at startup i check my trim sliders, flap slider and throttle if they all are correct i press(W)boost if its MW50 and then start the engine, set radiator to open and taxi/take off
after gear-up i set heading, throttle input/(prop pitch) and trim for the right climb speed.
thats about it but it mostly all depends on the A/C type im flying
and its always on full auto i dont have to think about it

the only thing i forget sometimes is when to set mixture and supercharger settings because i mostly fly German planes

tjaika1910
02-08-2005, 03:48 AM
Could be a nice thing with milage included in dynamic missions, with an increased change of failure in a/c hardware. Late war engines on the german side had a very limited lifespan. Repaired aircraft, would they have the same resitance to airframe stress?

Maybe something for BoB? Need to be careful with the handling and maintinance of your plane, acrobatics like a victory roll could be fatal after a lot of action...

msalama
02-08-2005, 04:06 AM
Interesting ideas tjaika1910, though some might argue that IL2 and its derivatives lose their original focus - and get out of hand! - if they go down that route.

But I'd be all for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Heck, I mean, if it's (pseudo)realism we're after...

flyingscampi
02-08-2005, 04:32 AM
Here's an online checklist:

Start Engine
Open throttle fully
Career across airbase
Pull stick back before you hit anything
Climb like a b*****d

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WOLFMondo
02-08-2005, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
Here's an online checklist:

Start Engine
Open throttle fully
Career across airbase
Pull stick back before you hit anything
Climb like a b*****d

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You your the guy who keeps running into people who actually use the taxi ways and runways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Diablo310th
02-08-2005, 06:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
Here's an online checklist:

Start Engine
Open throttle fully
Career across airbase
Pull stick back before you hit anything
Climb like a b*****d

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You your the guy who keeps running into people who actually use the taxi ways and runways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

ImpStarDuece
02-08-2005, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
Here's an online checklist:

Start Engine
Open throttle fully
Career across airbase
Pull stick back before you hit anything
Climb like a b*****d

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot a couple of important steps like,

Bounce like a superball when hit rough ground
Pull stick back too hard
Stall
Drop wing tip
Perform "swan dive"
End up as smoking wreckge

At least, thats the most common manouver i see pulled on line.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-08-2005, 06:56 AM
I don't use a checklist, but there are times when I should. There's not much worse than forgetting to set bomb delay in a touchy situation when timing is paramount to success.

I usually go through a process that's almost routine, so it's similar to a checklist, but not quite so regimented.


TB

msalama
02-08-2005, 07:01 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Good procedures all, Mr. flyingscampi & co!

..and about combat tactics: shoot all your ammo in one go. If the b*stard is still flying, ram his a*se. If he's _still_ flying, blame him for cheating.

Or - even better - blame Mr. Maddox for undermodelling your plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Medvedya
02-08-2005, 09:19 AM
A checklist! (furrows brow in bewilderment)

Why don't you just learn to fly for real?

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-08-2005, 09:25 AM
I fly this sim for three years now, I don't need a checklist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

DarkCanuck420
02-08-2005, 09:31 AM
I just press a bunch of buttons...I dont do it in any specific order

madsarmy
02-08-2005, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
Here's an online checklist:

Start Engine
Open throttle fully
Career across airbase
Pull stick back before you hit anything
Climb like a b*****d

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You your the guy who keeps running into people who actually use the taxi ways and runways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At last He's been Identified & it turns out to be a flying Prawn
Nothing worse than landing your beat up bomber after a 40min mission only to be hit by some **** who's to lazy to use the taxi ways.

SlickStick
02-08-2005, 12:37 PM
SlickStick's pre-flight checklist:

- Muzzle kids (I'd muzzle the wife, too, but she's a little tough to corral. I call her "Bitey")

- Pour a nice cold drink, preferably beer and place it on my desk.

- Check to see that I have enough smokes to make it through the night of flying. (If not, quick venture to the store and back to the list...I am trying to quit these cancer sticks, be sure.)

- Log onto UBI or HyperLobby and pick a server to fly on.

- Pick the base that keeps the sides as even as possible.

- Type &gt;user into the chat to see what the competition is flying and who has the most points, as they will be my first target. (Gotta check their mettle you know.)http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- Pick my plane and spawn.

- Trim rudder and ailerons, if applicable.

- Prop Pitch, mixture, magnetos and superchargers are always at default, so no need to check them prior to takeoff.

- Spool up and check to see that I have a clear path to the runway and that I'm not going to ram any friendlies.

- Take off.

- "Fight hard, win with honor, die with dignity"

- Drink beer.

- Repeat the checklist.

adlabs6
02-08-2005, 12:47 PM
I checklist non stop in FS2004, but in IL2 all I've ever done is hit "I" and go fly.

antifreeze
02-08-2005, 01:06 PM
I wish the aircraft were so detailed that they needed a checklist, but it would be superficial at best at the present detail level don't you think?
However, I do have one thing that I always check; that my USB joysticks have been recognised and enabled by Windows! How many times I've joined a VEF/VOW/Bellum mission, started my prop and crashed because the sticks haven't initiated on boot up! Grrrr...

msalama
02-08-2005, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>but it would be superficial at best at the present detail level don't you think? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, definitely! But by "checklists" I didn't really mean anything too detailed, like a printed checksheet w/ tickboxes or anything like that. And I sure don't do stuff like that myself either nosiree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I usually check and/or set - just out of habit - the following anyway (this might contain errors because it's easier to just _do_ than try to memorize afterwards):

Pre-start
---------

* Throttle 0%
* Prop 100%
* Mixture 100%
* Radiator: open
* Mags: both
* Blower: lo
* Tailwheel: locked

Warm-up
-------

Flaps: cycle trough, leave at takeoff
Mags: cycle trough, sod the engine burn-in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Flight controls: check for operation
Trim: check for operation
Prop: cycle trough (100%-0%-100%)
Mixture: cycle trough (100%-50%-10%-50%-100%)
Landing & nav lights: check for operation, leave on/off as required

Takeoff
-------

Just go...

Climbing
--------

Gear: in (when airborne)
Flaps: in (when clear of obstacles)
Throttle: 80%
Prop: 80%
Mixture: 80%
Radiator: closed

Cruise
------

Depends - throttle & prop according to how fast I want to go (noting engine limitations)
Mix: 80ish% to 3000 m., 50% above (or so, gotta listen to the engine)
Blower: lo below 3000 m., hi above

Combat
------

Depends, as you gents of course know (better than me probably)...

Mixture: according to altitude

Throttle 95%, prop 100% when I'm hauling *ss - throttle up to 110% in emergency
Throttle 0%, prop 10% when deep diving etc.

Approach & landing
------------------

(Throttle & prop always according to situation - desired glide slope, air speed etc.)

Radiator: open
Mixture: 100%
Landing light: on - but only if no enemy activity nearby
Nav lights: on - but only if no enemy activity nearby
Tailwheel: unlocked
Flaps 1 @ 350-400 kmph
Gear down soon after
Flaps 2 @ 300-350 kmph
Flaps 3 @ 300 kmph
Finals speed: 200-250 kmph
Prop: 100% before touchdown, somewhere along the final leg (for go-around power if needed)
Touchdown speed: 180-220 kmph

Tailwheel: locked when the plane stabilises

Shutdown
--------

Lights: off
Throttle: 0%
Prop: 100%
Mix: 0%
Mags: off
Tailwheel: re-locked after taxiing into parking
Radiator: closed

Or something like that anyway... and I still have time to shoot after all this, albeit badly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wert4562
02-08-2005, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Medvedya:
A checklist! (furrows brow in bewilderment)

Why don't you just learn to fly for real? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oy!

I agree whole heartedly...

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Just so you know, if you see this twice, yes, I am the Germans... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif