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bunkerratt
03-31-2006, 05:13 PM
looks like a good documentry on the tirpitz...

Kaleun1961
03-31-2006, 05:18 PM
I think you Americans have a different History channel than we do up here. Here's the URL for the Canadian version: www.historytelevision.ca (http://www.historytelevision.ca) Tongight at 8pm EST, our local History station is airing "Force Z." It is about a dive on the wrecks of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse. They are under 240 feet of water just off Singapore.

Perhaps you could post the link for the American History channel?

blue_76
03-31-2006, 05:21 PM
excellent! this time i won't miss it. starts at 10pm eastern. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bunkerratt
03-31-2006, 06:56 PM
www.history.com (http://www.history.com) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kaleun1961
03-31-2006, 08:18 PM
Thanks for the link, BR. I did a birth date thing on that website. You enter your date of birth and select from a list of different historical areas to see what happened on that day. When I ran my birth date [June 19] it returned as the date of the "Marianas Turkey Shoot" in 1944. For those who may not know it, that was the date when American carrier-borne fighters massacred the bulk of the surviving Japanese carrier-based aviation.

blue_76
03-31-2006, 08:52 PM
great documentary, i only wish i could've taped it.. maybe when they repeat it sometime http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

while commercials are on, did a little search on the tirpitz. found these art and pictures (notice the nets, they were steel nets designed to protect the tripitz from submarine attack):

http://i2.tinypic.com/sow9jn.jpg

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/overlander/tirpitz.jpg

http://www.oldgloryprints.com/Attack_on_the_Tirpitz.jpg


http://www.luftwaffe.no/Tirpitz2.jpg


http://www.luftwaffe.no/Tirpitz1.jpg

FDNYFAN
04-01-2006, 02:51 AM
A beautiful ship.
I can't help it,I love BB's.
especially when they fire,that is a great sight.

Bucketlung
04-01-2006, 09:41 AM
It was a very good show.

I still don't understand so many of the decisions made by the German navy, especially regarding the Bismarck and the Tirpitz. I don't understand how you could have such great leadership in the German army but then such questionable leadership in the navy and luftwaffe. I realize Hitler had his dumb thumb involved but every military has to deal with less than brilliant political leaders. (Except Lincoln, it was reversed with him)

Right after the Tirpitz show was a show on the Graf Spee. That story is so bizarre it is almost hard to believe it is true. I really don't understand why the German navy never treated it's capital ships with more respect. Earth to Raeder, it is called a destroyer. They're cheap and fast. Destroyers are disposable, capital ships are not.

I know it is easy to second guess, but man.

Kaleun1961
04-01-2006, 10:57 AM
I think it has to do with how German as a country evolved. They were always really a continental power and as such devoted most of their resources to their army. Britain, on the other hand was always a sea-power first, so her navy always had first priority for resources and manpower. In the wars between Britain and Germany, Britain always had the luxury of being able to neglect its army because the navy would always prevent a foe from landing. With the advent of air power it was a more closely run thing. Had Germany succeeded in destroying Fighter Command, I think even the Royal Navy would've been very hard pressed to stop an invasion by sea.

Schiffmorder
04-01-2006, 04:39 PM
Basically the destruction of the German surface fleet is a study of destruction in detail. Had they put together a proper task force for these capital ships things would have gone much better for the Germans. Having no carriers would still have proved fatal in the end, but they may have closed the sea lanes before that became an issue.

Kaleun1961
04-01-2006, 05:26 PM
Even without carriers, they could've supported amphibious landings on British shores, provided they had local air superiority. No doubt, such an invasion would have to take place in range of land-based Luftwaffe air cover. I don't think we realize how great a debt the West owes to those Churchill's "Few" who preserved Britain during that dark summer of 1940.

Bucketlung
04-01-2006, 07:50 PM
Do "air superiority" and Goering go together though?

For some reason I have trouble thinking that invasion would have ever happened but then I remember that video of Hitler dancing in Paris. He may not have been able to pass up the chance of doing that in London. Whereas he just wanted to level Moscow.

I was going to type Goering as Goring but then I decided to look up "umlaut" and saw this.

"When typing German, if umlaut letters are not available, the proper way is to replace them with the underlying vowel and a following <e>. So, for example, "Schr√¬∂der" becomes "Schroeder". As the pronunciation differs greatly between the normal letter and the umlaut, simply omitting the dots is considered incorrect and irritates native speakers".

I don't want to irritate any native speakers. I wonder where the umlaut is on a qwerty keyboard?

Kaleun1961
04-01-2006, 08:36 PM
Just use the character map under the system tools menu in Windows. You can then copy and paste the character you want or use the key combo to get the same thing.

I agree with you. Goering was not fond of "sharing" his toys, the Luftwaffe being his most cherished toy.