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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 08:47 PM
I mean, where is the historical accuracy??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Why don't we say do the equivalent of adding maps dogfighting over Manhattan...without Pacific Theatre locations, the Zero & Frank are kinda silly don't ya think? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

After all, everyone knows that the historically correct restricted forward view in the 190 would result in easy kills for the Japs.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 06/13/0303:49PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 08:47 PM
I mean, where is the historical accuracy??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Why don't we say do the equivalent of adding maps dogfighting over Manhattan...without Pacific Theatre locations, the Zero & Frank are kinda silly don't ya think? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

After all, everyone knows that the historically correct restricted forward view in the 190 would result in easy kills for the Japs.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:11 PM
Not a problem for me. The more choice the better to keep things fresh. As long as there's still a good choice of historically restricted games online, everyone's kept happy, right?


After all, The middle of the gulf of Finland is pretty much indistinguishable from the middle of the Pacific in game terms.

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:16 PM
IMO this is the worst dev.update ever.

As for the planes I don`t accept them,I won`t fly them.Too bad this time on modelling and stuff goes into such planes.

As a Willywhiner I can honestly say: Don`t give us G229 or Zero.Take more time making P51D and Me110.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:18 PM
Just more of the "Pandora's Box" opened by the Stang whiners and Jug whiners, etc.

Japanese planes are no more or less relevant than most of the Western add-ons.

If planes are added in SETS of historical adversaries....along with maps of the areas they flew in...then I see no reason not to expand the IL-2 system to other theaters.

It's the "just add this plane because I like it" one-off additions to the set that's so wrong-headed.

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:22 PM
like most dogfight servers are very realistic anyway, any plane on any side

and i dont care what the terrain under me looks like when im dogfighting

i just want to shoot some zeros down

if you dont want them dont use them

people arnt gonna make what they dont want to make, specially if they arnt getting paid for it

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:23 PM
No.
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PS:Japan has grass just like Russia.

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:27 PM
They can give us any planes they want...hell i`ll take it. The question is...will i allow it on my server or not /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:32 PM
---Why don't we say do the equivalent of adding maps
---dogfighting over Manhattan...without Pacific Theatre
---locations, the Zero & Frank are kinda silly don't ya think?

hmmm....Gotha and a map of Manhattan. hmmmm. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:32 PM
Im already creating Pacific War Scenarios using FB Maps and they look good, just waiting on the Zero.
I notice 2 Japanese fighters now will be flyable.

Incidently when you see the international success of IL-2/FB, why stop at Russia and Europe,
Plenty of ships in the Game already, all they need is an Aircraft carrier.
Change the Hull shape on the Battle ship Marat and change the flag to Japanese and you have a Kongo class Battle Ship.
( too easy)
The more add ons that come into this Game, the more theatres of War Maddox 1C will be able to expand into over time.
So you end up with the Eastern front that we have now,
The next Sim tipped to be Western Europe or Med or both rolled into one was started last October, after that you are only left with the Pacific.

Why not, so far in the market place not one single competitor has showed up to try and compete with the Quality of Maddox Games.
Financialy Maddox 1c would clean up globaly by creating all theatres of WW II as a result over time, the add ons making each theatre of war easier to move on to.

It makes perfect buissness sense.

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:33 PM
Don't you think that Maddox maybe looking to the Pacific for his next release? Wouldn't that be cool? It's all about market.

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:33 PM
WHy are you so worried about Japanese planes. One hit should send them smoking down. You don't have to allow them but at least try to contend with them. Each plane has its advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages include the 1 hit 1 kill thing. Advantages are the reliable 7.7mm's and the powerful .20mm cannons. It's performance. Every plane has good and bad qualities. Respect it. You don't have to fly the planes, pick which ones you want to fly, but don't bring everyone down with you.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:33 PM
so the bob servers are realistic. Channel front in the finish gulf?? Leave it alone the more planes well modeled the better. Like the post above" keeps it fresh". Yup i am a yank, i fly okl, mostly full real or as close as i can get The views are not perfect the fm and dm may not be perfect, but a point me in the direction of one better. Why not have all the ww2/ww1 planes in the best sim availible. I u are a diehard historical cat then fly in a diehard resticted server or host it yourself. I am lookin forward to the zero. ho 229,p80 and whatever comes down the pike. If they made an emily for the game i would certainly give her a spin.
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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:39 PM
Arctic Wolf::
---Financialy Maddox 1c would clean up globaly by creating
---all theatres of WW II as a result over time, the add ons
---making each theatre of war easier to move on to.
---It makes perfect buissness sense.

Especially if the different add ons are backward compatable--I can place a flight of today's Yak-9D on a future map of Bari, Italy in the Mission Editor. (I have a photo of a lineup of Yak~9DD in Bari, Italy late during the WAR).

The only problem is the low altitude grafix and flight modelling in today's FB. FB is made for low level Eastern Front simming, leaving me like the lonely Maytag Repairman sitting in my MiG~3 cockpit. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

This may have to wait until the Next Sim.

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:41 PM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
- I mean, where is the historical accuracy???

On a dogfight server (where I only play) there is no historical accuracy unless restrictions are on so I realy do not mind.

The day they add a "curious george" will be taking it a little too far though/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:50 PM
Think further man!! Oleg might be doing all this work for his next sim maybe. A sim that plays in the Pacific /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



But, USSR and Japan probably fought against eachother as well.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:54 PM
Campaigns and missions should remain historically accurate. But I don't see why dogfighting servers should. IMO all important planes should be modelled for this sim.
Besides my hands are itching to chop SkyChimp's Corsair.

What is important is to have a correct FM and DM.

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06-13-2003, 09:57 PM
Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
- Think further man!! Oleg might be doing all this
- work for his next sim maybe. A sim that plays in the
- Pacific

Great!

So, let's say get the rest of the planes that should be in IL-2 FB done first, before we start a PTO sim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BTW, has anyone seen any TA152, P-51 or ME110 updates lately?


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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 10:17 PM
We are all left guessing at which way Oleg and 1C are going with the New Sim that they started on last October, it could be any where, as Spits and Hurris also saw action in the South Pacific.
I would say more likely Western Europe with Spits and Hurris heavily involved, but im only guessing.

However one of the best parts of IL-2/FB is the legion of fans creating skins of all nationalities, and now they are creating NEW Aircraft types from alternate theatres of WW II
These fans are not responsible for preventing the progress of currently released Maddox 1C Sims, from improoving current flight models.

They are actualy saving Oleg and team work in areas where Ic may decide to go in the future, as an example the Pacific.
Anybody getting involved with this Group of Developers and the Sims they have created so far, is like grabbing a tiger by the tail.
Nobody is going to lose out because of that, we are all going to win from that.

LOL how often does a developer have fanatical fans creating whole new aircraft types for free for him.
It will be much easier for 1C to expand into other theatres of WW II because of it, if the developer chooses to go that way of course.
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- Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
-- Think further man!! Oleg might be doing all this
-- work for his next sim maybe. A sim that plays in the
-- Pacific
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- be in IL-2 FB done first, before we start a PTO sim.
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06-13-2003, 11:18 PM
The Ki84 will ownz joo!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 04:29 AM
Geez, this sim is too awesome to limit it to the Eastern front. Some of us really have no interest in the Eastern front like myself. My knowledge and interest in Russian planes has always been minimal. It took me a long time before I even bought IL2. The reason was my lack of interest in the Russian front. However after waiting for something decent to come featuring a front of interest to me and that never happening, I gave in and bought IL2. What sold me on this sim was the fact that it is the best combat flight sim ever made. To limit it to the Russian front would be a shame. A Pacific version of this game would easily out-sell any previous versions of this game in the States. I might be wrong but the States is probably the biggest market for these folks. So seeing these guys making Japanese planes, etc. is answering my wants for sure.

Now, as a former Red Baron 3D addict, the best thing these guys could make would be a WW1 sim based on the war over France. There is NOTHING more thrilling than dogfighting in those old crates. I took a couple of those early Russian bi-planes and was dogfighting in them in SP. Man, I was getting Fokker Dr-1 vs. the French Nieuport flashbacks. The acrobatic, in your face dogfighting of WW1 took lots of skill and is fun as hell simulating in a game. With the talent the authors of this sim have I can only imagine what they could do with WW1.

P.S. For the original author of this thread, if you want to complain about anything "unhistorical" complain about them developing all these experimental a/c that never saw any action. Fighting with/against jet fighters in a WWII sim isn't up my alley (exception Me 262 since it saw some limited action). If I want to fly jets I would go buy a modern sim.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 04:37 AM
With Pearl Harbor still in my thoughts. It will be a pleasure shooting down Jap planes.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 04:51 AM
I don't think they should make any other planes in FB until after this one is made:

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 05:12 AM
Well, it isn't much of an issue for me, as they will be shooting ME down mostly anyway. I think it is a fine line to walk in this game between historical realism and meaningless fun. I would not spit on the aircraft just because they are not historically relevent because that would be disrespecting all the hard work that other people are doing [for free!] on the 3rd party planes. People are free to choose what they want to fly with, and I welcome any new aircraft into this sim be they relavent or not, just so I can enjoy flying something new. That is what will keep this sim fresh. If the historical aspects of flying inappropriate a/c bother you then find a server to fit your needs. That's why so many of us are playing this sim, the freedom to do pretty much whatever you want at whatever difficulty settings. I know that it's silly to have 229's flying around in 1941 but boy it's gonna be fun! And that says it all really.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 07:29 AM
From the Soviet point of view the "eastern front" would be what -- manchuria, priamurskaya, maybe sakhalin... sounds like a front that is on the eastt. hence, it's an eastern front.

I dream of I-15bis vs. Ki-27 "Nates". Or just give us a Mongolia map for the hell of it because Mongolia is the coolest place ever. Horses are understandably not necessary, due to slimy euro-lawyers, but at least throw in some nice golden brown grass instead of that golf course neon green stuff. Armor plated gers/yurts to would also be splendid, to compliment to kevlar camo nets.

Treesqueak
06-14-2003, 08:30 AM
Nope!!

Can't wait to fly against a Zeke or fly one.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 11:22 AM
No. Not really.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 01:19 PM
Seems most of you have forgotten that in the ending stages of the war Russia attacked the northern island of Japan as well as some on the far eastern lands held by Japan. So in short it would be Japs vs Ruissia in the Far Eastern Front.

Granted they didn't fight the Germans since they were allies, but in you dig into history you will see the Japs had Me262's that were later captured by the US, i'm sure you can guess where they got them from.

So in the end Jap planes are not all that out of place in the game, course should you be going for looks then don't use the Berlin maps, use the island ones, and the mountain map which can be a mock Far Eastern rough terrian an island.

The only history i see in the game is in campaigns which you don't fly online anyway. Not to mention only a very small handful of folks who try to make coop mission as historic as possible. Most fly either plane from either side with any year so what's the point of this?

In all regards may you not become a dirt torpedo.

PlatinumDragon...

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 01:34 PM
PlatinumDragon wrote:
- Seems most of you have forgotten that in the ending
- stages of the war Russia attacked the northern
- island of Japan as well as some on the far eastern
- lands held by Japan. So in short it would be Japs vs
- Ruissia in the Far Eastern Front.
-

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

For the Soviets, the German war was the 'western front', so the battles with the Japanese would be their 'eastern front'.


- Granted they didn't fight the Germans since they
- were allies, but in you dig into history you will
- see the Japs had Me262's that were later captured by
- the US, i'm sure you can guess where they got them
- from.
-

Are you thinking of the Kikka? This was smaller and much slower than the 262.

"On 16 April, 1945 she left Norway and was enroute to Japan with extremely important cargo (drawings, a Me-262 jet fighter in crates and 550kg of uranium ore, several high ranking German experts on various technologies and 2 Japanese officers) when Kptlt. Fehler, after hearing the cease-fire orders on May 4, 1945, decided to head for the USA and surrender."

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 01:47 PM
It's very possible, not sure if the captured versions were sent there or just the plans of them, but they had quite a few types of German planes and simalier version of their Jets.

PlatinumDragon...

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 01:54 PM
Accuracy my butt!!! I cant believe how short sighted some of you guys are!!! Thats like walking into a seafood resaurant and saying "Hey...You guys shouldnt be serving steak!! Thats not accurate!!!" Baloney!!!
I think some of you guys just want to comlain about something...anything...no matter how assinine. You keep whining about the FMs.... " Oleg improve the FMs before you add planes".... HELLO!! The patch is coming soon!!!! All this stuff is gravy!!!! The flexibility of the sim allows you to ignore the planes that you dont want and maybe even to not DL them if you dont want them..but to deprive the rest of us or even imply that that is what should be done is selfish and narrowminded. What about the Japanese folks who fly this sim? I wonder if all this hubbub came up when 190s and 109s were put in CFS2...... Oh wait..CFS2 was no where NEAR as good as this in terms of FMs, DMS, and graphics..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Wow..I dont believe some of yoy guys........sad really /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 01:57 PM
I also hope they make some other us planes that served in the pacific like the Corsair or Wildcat. I dont care what plane they give us just it is good /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 03:20 PM
I really don't understand anyone complaining about them. It's not like they are just going to show up in your campaign. Online, well find a server that matches your tastes. Where the problem???

Beergator

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 03:29 PM
I would be delighted, at any time, in any place, to blast Japanese warplanes out of the sky in my virtual Hurricane.

Why the hell not.

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 06:19 PM
Personally...I think the Pacific theatre will happen 2-3 yrs from now, when computing power is further doubled or tripled...

Imagine the vast flights of aircraft like in the Marianas
Turkey Shoot, or something equivalent..It'll be smashing..

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 06:59 PM
I don't believe "Jap" is the proper nomenclature. I believe it's supposed to be "Japanese".

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 07:46 PM
Bearcat99 wrote:
- Accuracy my butt!!! I cant believe how short sighted
- some of you guys are!!! Thats like walking into a
- seafood resaurant and saying "Hey...You guys
- shouldnt be serving steak!! Thats not accurate!!!"
- Baloney!!!
- I think some of you guys just want to comlain about
- something...anything...no matter how assinine. You
- keep whining about the FMs.... " Oleg improve the
- FMs before you add planes".... HELLO!! The patch is
- coming soon!!!! All this stuff is gravy!!!! The
- flexibility of the sim allows you to ignore the
- planes that you dont want and maybe even to not DL
- them if you dont want them..but to deprive the rest
- of us or even imply that that is what should be done
- is selfish and narrowminded. What about the Japanese
- folks who fly this sim? I wonder if all this hubbub
- came up when 190s and 109s were put in CFS2...... Oh
- wait..CFS2 was no where NEAR as good as this in
- terms of FMs, DMS, and graphics..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
- Wow..I dont believe some of yoy guys........sad

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 08:47 PM
Bearcat99 wrote:
- (A long-winded rant).

Well, seeing as how I mostly fly online and the DF servers have the FULL IL-2 FB plane-set, I just assumed that when the Jap planes get added to FB I would be shooting them down with my 190 or 109 on quite a regular basis on Eastern ETO maps...so much for historical accuracy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Personally, I prefer flying Axis v. Allied scenarios, but I know this is just too damn boring (ie historical) for most of you folks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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06-14-2003, 09:05 PM
I honestly feel like it has come down to "If you can Model..We'll Stick it In There." I have also seen certain Plane Creatorss say basically "If you don't like it, Don't Fly It." Honestly it makes me a little nervous about what is to come. At this rate we'll have F-4's in about a year. =0) Well maybe not the F-4, more than likely at lest a Panther.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 10:04 PM
carguy_ wrote:
- IMO this is the worst dev.update ever.
-
- As for the planes I don`t accept them,I won`t fly
- them.Too bad this time on modelling and stuff goes
- into such planes.
-
- As a Willywhiner I can honestly say: Don`t give us
- G229 or Zero.Take more time making P51D and Me110.



........And why not p38 and many of the ai planes that are almost done.

we have an (almost) complete set of "battle of europe" AC.

add som american bombers and spit,mosquito,beaufighter,lancaster, and som flyingboats ,
(short sunderland, and blohm&voss)


European theatre is much closer than pacific and could be an add on? but in pacific u have to to a new lanskape
and all the planes.... Whywhywhywhy! are they doing this?

the sim is perfect as it is. Now its going on the ├╝ber-ufo side of the Twillightzone.


WEEll!.....Im Whining arnt I? the swedish Viggen would be a cool thing to have anyway.........But I still will refuse taking of crossfields, from now on!

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 12:41 AM
planes are modelled by people who like to make them and as they get finished they get added. if you dont like the zero going in before other historical planes then shut your pie face and make the plane in time for the update!!!my god people will love the new planes. in case some of you havent noticed this is a ww2 flight sim. the front of the box doesnt say ONLY RUSSIAN AND GERMAN PLANES. this game is being expanded beyond anyones wildest dreams and you guys are complaining? thats just plain stupid in my book. by the authors posting this is just a spam thread it seems. the zero will be a fun plane and by no means will it be a super plane. it wont unbalance the online experience like a 262 does over a prop dogfight.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 01:04 AM
Not at all, in fact i really hate people who want to hold back this game engines potential, first of all there were encounters with russia and the japanese, the germans actually trained the japanese in air and ground combat. We should have multiple theaters in FB like the pacific, battle of britian, North africa, spanish civilwar, Italy, etc and play them individually offline. And for online leave it up to the hosts to have which plane sets and theaters we feel like flying. More choice = better game.
Any one who disagrees holds this game back in my opinion.

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 04:36 AM
i think the planes are done, so they're coming into the next patch. simple as that. some are made by 3rd parties and no matter how bad you want it, they cannot be undone. either the people who want these planes will be able to fly them, or you can complain enough so that there will never be another plane that anyone but you wants to fly. i think that if you really wanted the planes that you speak of, you should have checked the plane selection before you bought this game. maybe you have forgotten that these are bonus planes, and there is no real guarantee that you'll get every plane flyable that you want, so i say you oughta just take what you get.
you don't get to pick what christmas presents you get, do you? (or are you jewish i don't know /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

note: i'm just writing this to anyone who would rather not have certain addon planes, no one in specific.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 05:38 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- planes are modelled by people who like to make them
- and as they get finished they get added. if you dont
- like the zero going in before other historical
- planes then shut your pie face...

Duh, it's "pie-hole"...and I have every right to respectfully voice my opinion as you do to dis-respectfully voice yours. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 06:27 AM
I'll tell y'all what I told VMF513_Sandman:

Screw the damn Jap planes! What I want is a P-38, or Spitfire. But, more importantly, I want the Mustang and Bf110 that I've been getting promised for months!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:56 AM
Ridge_Runner_5 wrote:
- I'll tell y'all what I told VMF513_Sandman:
-
- Screw the damn Jap planes! What I want is a P-38, or
- Spitfire. But, more importantly, I want the Mustang
- and Bf110 that I've been getting promised for
- months!!!!!!

I agree with Sandman. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 11:04 AM
Yeah we`ve seen many screens of P51,Me163,Ta152 in dev.upd. long ago.So,have they been stopped in developing process?

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:36 PM
carguy_ wrote:
- Yeah we`ve seen many screens of P51,Me163,Ta152 in
- dev.upd. long ago.So,have they been stopped in
- developing process?

Nah, just slowed down by things like WWII RTS and adding Jap planes. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

As gifted as Oleg & his team are, they sure seem to be lacking in the product development dept., making planes like the P-51, Me110, Ju88 and even the Ta152 flyable should have been a priority for FB before it went gold...

Can you imagine how many more units of FB would have sold in America if UBI's distribution package had a Mustang fighting a Ta152, Me262 or even a Me110 on the cover? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif




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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:45 PM
consider this if you will,

I 153

I 16

P47

P40

P39

Versus any Jap plane that gets designed, build, tested and added.

Oh, btw, look up the battle of Kalkhin-Gol. too bad the Il 2 engine can't do that.

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:33 AM
lord almighty... taz i said pie face because pie hole means something else entirely its a double entaundre... or however you spell it. anyway i was typing g rated...cuz im such a lovable guy :P . p.s. my argument was right and yours is wrong.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:56 AM
Did not the japanese face Russian planes in China ?????

I am certian I read somewhere about Chinese I16's fighting the Japanese.



its certianly no more out of character than things like the P51 which is really only being included to shutup teh ameri-whiners

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:03 AM
Galway....

How many times must we say it. The P51 did indeed fly in some of the map areas of IL2/FB.

Oh, I'm not whining by the way, just pointing out fact.

It seems to me that the only whining I see about the P51 is by people who, like yourself, don't want it in FB.

The more planes the better.

And who says that the work on the KI84 and Zero Sen, is displacing the work on other aspects of FB? This is mere speculation on the part of Taz, and others.

Frankly sir, I do not understand you.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:11 AM
i will happily fly the P51 once it turns up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifit will be great for long range JABO search and destroy

The point is the P51 flew on the eastern front as little as a lot of other planes that are not being included yet .. in fact some planes not yet included like the Spitfire or the B25 Mitchell actually were far far more common then the P51 .. and furthermore Russian aircraft flew against the japanese as much or more than they flew against the P51.

I am only saying the P51 was included earlier than others for two reasons:

- Oleg likes it (he personally was involved in the modelling)
- Americans make up a big part of the market and complain a lot



In fact I would go as far to say most of the opposition to the P51 is not directed at teh aircraft itself, it seems to eb an attempt to get one over the P51 fans who are a very annoying breed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:16 AM
WTE_Galway wrote:
-
- In fact I would go as far to say most of the
- opposition to the P51 is not directed at teh
- aircraft itself, it seems to eb an attempt to get
- one over the P51 fans who are a very annoying breed
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Not nearly as annoying as those Focke Wulf boys....

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:20 AM
I would feel very strange exploding in my P40 while diving away from Zero in vain....FIX BUGS FIRST PLEASE!

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:21 AM
ElAurens wrote:

- Not nearly as annoying as those Focke Wulf boys....



agreed hehe .. the "Oleg please remove 4 pixels from the lower left strut of the 190 canopy" brigade are even worse http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:01 AM
Right now, I feel strange, shooting down P51 mustangs above the eastern front /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:00 PM
Funny i'm an american and could care less about the P-51. In truth i'll be flying the Zero, so to class us as the whinners doesn't make sense. You either like the planes or not, unless you make them you will get what they give you and like it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:25 PM
Rifleman75 wrote:
- like most dogfight servers are very realistic
- anyway, any plane on any side
-
- and i dont care what the terrain under me looks like
- when im dogfighting
-
- i just want to shoot some zeros down
-
- if you dont want them dont use them



I agree, who cares what planes are there. Dont fly the zero if you dont want it. Whats wrong with pacific theatre planes? Throw a little white sand and some palm trees on a multiplayer map and youve got yourself a PTO scenario. This is the best flight sim around, why not expand it to cover everything? Why does it have to strictly be the eastern front?

Just my opinion.


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:26 PM
ElAurens wrote:
- Galway....
-
- How many times must we say it. The P51 did indeed
- fly in some of the map areas of IL2/FB.
-
- Oh, I'm not whining by the way, just pointing out
- fact.
-
- It seems to me that the only whining I see about the
- P51 is by people who, like yourself, don't want it
- in FB.
-
- The more planes the better.
-
- And who says that the work on the KI84 and Zero Sen,
- is displacing the work on other aspects of FB? This
- is mere speculation on the part of Taz, and others.
-
- Frankly sir, I do not understand you.


So, the Zero & Frank won't require any work in the FM & DM dept. at all? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

No code writing, no tweaking, no beta testing, no nothing...I guess it will be sort of like the Hurricane then! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Then again, maybe the struts will be so thick, you won't be able to see anything forward at all...

Well, as long as it doesn't interupt the completion of the LONG-PROMISED Eastern Front plane-set, I don't see any problems...lol! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif (Wonder how the Zero & Frank suddenly appear almost ready to be added to the code, and planes like the Bf110, Me110, Ju88, etc. have yet to be added?)

Your argument is as farcical as it is transparent.

Frankly sir, I'm ROFLMAO!!!

BTW, I still think I'll feel a bit strange whacking Japs over Leningrad, Moscow or Berlin. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:56 PM
Well if you are stupid enough to allow them in the plane set, you should feel strange./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


TaZ_Attack wrote:

-
-
-
- BTW, I still think I'll feel a bit strange whacking
- Japs over Leningrad, Moscow or Berlin.
- TaZ_Attack
-


Why would Oleg let his good friend Luthier spend so much time modelling the Frank?



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:40 PM
you won't be shooting any planes not native to the eastern front on the campaigns included with the game. if you're looking for a very realistic online experience, fly a coop that you make yourself; i don't think a dogfight is realistic as is. i don't understand why you keep saying how you'll feel strange shooting them down. do you mean in a multiplayer dogfight or something? i doubt you'll be seeing any zeros on the campaign, and since that should be the meat of the game, nothign else really matters. these extra planes are just for you to mess around with on the quick mission builder and online. i'm having a very hard time understanding why this would make anything less realistic. they are simply for fun. you're going to have to wait for the realistic planes anyway, whether or not we get these bonus planes. just let the people who want to fly the new planes have them.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:19 PM
I made a zero skin for my Brewster after I saw a picture of some captured ones on the net somewhere. Judging by the results of my sorties in it I would have to say that a lot of online guys- in the very least- have very little problem knocking my, semi authentic, 'lil Japanese guy into the drink.

Still hear the ocasional Tora!Tora!Tora! comment when I dust it off to fly in. Fun stuff really.

.


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 09:56 PM
Big_Jim2000 wrote:
- Don't you think that Maddox maybe looking to the
- Pacific for his next release? Wouldn't that be
- cool? It's all about market.
-
-

ya but the maddox needs to change the name of the game since the name has no signs to pacific theatre included.. the name should be like "the wars of ww2" or something similar...and it would be impossible to change an name of a game that has allready been published... but anyway a game with IL2 FB engine over pacific would bee too cool...

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 10:55 PM
yes

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:25 PM
I don't know why you argue so much on a thing that will only make the game more interesting.
Indeed,the historical background is important, but in multiplayer games, the history is almost always forgotted.
If anyone would say to me that he didn't see any multyplayer games where there will be Hurricannes fightning with P-39 or Me 262, I would call him a lier.
Anyway, along with yhe updates, probably will appear maps of the Pacific and/or China, and I wouldn't think anyone would like to wait that much for the chance to fly a Zero.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:36 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
- Well if you are stupid enough to allow them in the
- plane set, you should feel strange.


Unfortunately, at the present time my ADSL connection is not suited to host games...so I jump in one of several "semi-full plane-set" servers on HL.

I doubt the Zero or Frank will be excluded from those servers as often as the Me262 is. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


- Why would Oleg let his good friend Luthier spend so
- much time modelling the Frank?


I have no idea, maybe for the same reasons he let him model the BI-1 (another total waste of talent).


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06-16-2003, 11:41 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:57 PM
You are mostey correct, but if there wouldn't be BI-1, there would be someone to complaine abut that.
The BI-1 is indeed useles, but if you think a little, also the MIG-3 is.
If there will be Zero's in the update, they will be for sure only for the multyplayer games, because it doesnt'really matter what plane you are fying as long as you say in the air and your enemys not.
I sincerely don't think that there will be Zero's popping up in your campaigns.
If that is what mind's you, then fly only one plane , and shoot down only planes that are contemporan with your plane.
You post is really interesting, but has a lack of logic.
How do you know that there will not a campaign for China, to fly I-16 against Zero's, like it happent?

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 01:59 AM
Von_Zero wrote:
- How do you know that there will not a campaign for
- China, to fly I-16 against Zero's, like it happent?


I don't fly campaigns...hell, there could have been one included in IL-2 or FB & wouldn't even know! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 02:20 AM
I really don't understand...
Then what's the mean of this post???
If you do not reffer to the campaigns, or at least sigle missions, then it does not have any logic.
It is at least strange to ask for the historrical thuth to be respected in multyplayer missions(except coop), because only there you could see a german 262 fighting a Zero-sen.
Don't missuderstood me , I really like historycally-based multiplayer missions.
As I was saying, if you are really good, doesn't matter what you fly, then what's all this noise???
By the way in FB there are a few campaigns...about 14!!!!!
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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 03:29 AM
Von_Zero wrote:
- I really don't understand...

FYI, I spend many hours of the week online flying with my squad, patrolling the unfriendly skies of FB, and soon JG27 will be part of an online ladder competition known as "Ghost Skies". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:41 PM
Good for you.
That should mean that you seen alot of strange things in the multiplayer games, so it makes no sense to chit-chat interminably about respecting history.
Anyway, it's only a game(an extraordinary one, but...), and I really don't think that if you would really be fightning on the eastern front, you would still be unpleased about rspecting history.
About "Ghost skies" I wis you and JG27 as much luck as possible.
The show must go on....
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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:49 PM
Actually, my surreptitious purpose for this thread was to possibly coerce Oleg & Co. into adding some Far East maps to accompany the Zero & Frank...although, some nice PTO maps would be nice too! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 11:09 PM
Then why the hell dint't you said that from the begining????
In this case if you were intrigated about flying Frank's&Zero's over... Lvov, you are indeed wright, but what the heck, if it's funny, why not?
If this was and probably still is your purpose,then I must agree with you .
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