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capt_frank
02-08-2008, 09:32 AM
Me, I'm saving it to buy gas! That's at least 10K miles of driving for me...

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-08-2008, 09:38 AM
24" Acer monitor FTW!!!1

crucislancer
02-08-2008, 10:06 AM
I've been thinking about that myself. The best thing to do is save a good deal of it, but at the same time, we need a new car. $1800 will be a nice down payment. I guess we'll figure it out when it comes in.

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-08-2008, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
I've been thinking about that myself. The best thing to do is save a good deal of it, but at the same time, we need a new car. $1800 will be a nice down payment. I guess we'll figure it out when it comes in.

This is the debate for most, spend or save, but the intention is to spend the money, so spend I will!

Loco-S
02-08-2008, 10:07 AM
Put it towards my 401K, that money, if you use it, is taxable, but they can not tax your retirement money.

Stew278
02-08-2008, 10:10 AM
Visit the doctor, visit the dentist, if there's anything left I'll save it

danjama
02-08-2008, 10:11 AM
what the hell is stimulus money

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-08-2008, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
what the hell is stimulus money

The economy is going into a recession (sp?) and to try to counteract that the government is issuing everyone a check in the hopes that if everyone spends this money relatively quickly it will stimulate the economy and hopefully promote growth.

MEGILE
02-08-2008, 10:51 AM
Lap dance.

danjama
02-08-2008, 10:57 AM
is this a UK thing? how do i get my free money?

leitmotiv
02-08-2008, 11:00 AM
Make a down payment on my Raquel Welch robot from Sony.

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-08-2008, 11:01 AM
USA.

Korolov1986
02-08-2008, 11:07 AM
Use it to pay my taxes.

(Where the hell do you think they got the stimulus money in the first place?)

buzzsaw1939
02-08-2008, 11:36 AM
Me thinks it could be a bribe?.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

leitmotiv
02-08-2008, 11:41 AM
It's pure hokum from pols right before they stick it to the electorate with higher taxes in 2009 after the election.

TSmoke
02-08-2008, 08:42 PM
Stimulus money??
With the explanation given of what that is in this thread.

Well thats a good one, with the deficit the government has why not spend a few more billion we don't have, and hope to h e l l that something good comes of it.

I wonder who stayed awake nights dreaming that kraptastic idea up???

Outlaw---
02-08-2008, 08:57 PM
The bastages won't give me any money. How in the hell am I supposed to pay for the new plastic rear spring my Corvette needs or the scuba diving trip to Palu for my wife and I?!?!?!?!?!

--Outlaw.

han freak solo
02-08-2008, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
Use it to pay my taxes.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Anything I get is going into a new car fund I'm building up.

Airmail109
02-08-2008, 09:38 PM
(Sarcasm on) Buy drugs and inadvertently fund Colombian guerrillas. (Sarcasm off)

leitmotiv
02-08-2008, 11:02 PM
By the time we get it, inflation will have reduced its value to being enough to buy some bubble gum. "Gifts" from Congress are always BS.

heywooood
02-08-2008, 11:49 PM
this is the quarter tip we get for letting the f'n *******s empty the nations' coffers and put us in a hole of debt our great grand children won't be able to fill- I hope cheney and bush rot in hell...history will write their epitaphs in the blood, sweat, and tears of fallen heroes.

Mt.Rushmore my ***!..carve their likenesses into a festering lump of smoking dogsh1t and launch it into space

Haliburton has relocated to Dubai to avoid criminal prosecution - I expect the moron and the jackal will run and hide there too.

anyone who doesn't realise that this 'gesture' is no more than salt for an open wound doesn't know how phuc-ed we've been for the last eight years and if you ask me - there isn't a politician from any era that could fix the mess we're in in two terms...well maybe FDR...but he would need another exemption.

Between letting big business doctor their books, to allowing big banks to buy and sell bad home loans, to letting enron and other energy companies trade and sell a commodity at whatever rates they like all without any oversight - in the name of short term profits without any security or control...and without any real responsability is in each case criminal - and we the people paid for it all - on the front end as higher rates for these goods and services and again on the back end in damage to the economy (jobs lost) and higher taxes to fund the government bailouts and favors to those corporations.
A blind eye and a blank check...but not for us - we are declaring bankruptcy and losing our homes and watching our jobs disappear overseas and all the while seeing the wealthiest corporations and individuals pay less in taxes than our kids do.
I wonder what state our Union will be in when this fiasco finally ends in November...despite what President Malarky says the state of our union is not strong...and hasn't been for a long long time.
Dunno about you - but I'm praying for a miracle - that someone will come along and take back our mfg jobs from overseas, make higher education more affordable so we can compete again in the specialised fields of science, engineering and medicine, hold large corporations responsible for their profiteering and malfeasance, balance the tax ledgers so every one who benefits from living in this great nation pays their fare share to maintain it, sets term limits for senators and congressmen and forfeiture of terms for the ones that are for sale, looks to lead us into this new century in solar/alternative technology and get us off the oil standard and make a bid for the USA to lead the world in clean fuel tech. and the millions of jobs that are just laying there - waiting for us to take hold and get moving again.

But all these politicians are corporate shills and pleebs so...good luck

buzzsaw1939
02-09-2008, 02:49 AM
WOW!... Can't top that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

CUJO_1970
02-09-2008, 07:39 AM
You go heywood! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It hurts just thinking about it...

MEGILE
02-09-2008, 08:08 AM
Good post Heywoooood

Outlaw---
02-09-2008, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
...that someone will come along and take back our mfg jobs from overseas, make higher education more affordable so we can compete again...

The first step to that is having a public that is willing to pay more for goods manufactured here and sadly that ain't gonna happen until things get pretty bad. Hopefully it won't be before it's too late.

--Outlaw.

heywooood
02-09-2008, 09:32 AM
so - we are saving money buying lead tainted products for our kids and melamine poisoned food supplements for ourselves and our pets?

American corporations aren't about saving american consumers money! dammit! wake up.

Instead they are all about maximising PROFITS regardless of the health or safety of their customers.

We are their last concern when it comes to their bottom line and they rely on their lobbyists and ratbastar|) politicians to protect them as they do so - at the expense of our childrens health and welfare as well as our own in lost jobs, a shrinking dollar and no end in sight - just more of the same if we don't wake up and put an end to it.

Time to look around at just how much they have stolen and hold these people accountable. Or not - its up to us how much control we have in this country - not them..we need to flex our muscle and vote for term limits and accountability and consequences for criminal politicians and boardroom swindlers and break the stranglehold we are in.

The Constitution - or whats left of it - still guarantees us that right.


That Document - so vital to this Great Nation and its original principles has never been so trampled and subverted as it has been by this administration.

Step one for the new blood had better be to restore it - no more presidential 'signing statements' - no more 'patriot act' and no more incredible subversion of ACTUAL FREEDOM in the name of bush's SUEDO freedom - may he choke on his own stool someday.

buzzsaw1939
02-09-2008, 09:54 AM
I think boycott is about the only tool left, but people are too busy wallowing in apathy, (let George do it!) then ever before, IE, Lets refuse to buy it / but I need it! / lets not buy gas for a day. / but I have to got to work, so I can buy this stuff! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Outlaw---
02-09-2008, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
so - we are saving money buying lead tainted products for our kids and melamine poisoned food supplements for ourselves and our pets?

American corporations aren't about saving american consumers money! dammit! wake up.

Instead they are all about maximising PROFITS regardless of the health or safety of their customers.

We are their last concern when it comes to their bottom line and they rely on their lobbyists and ratbastar|) politicians to protect them as they do so - at the expense of our childrens health and welfare as well as our own in lost jobs, a shrinking dollar and no end in sight - just more of the same if we don't wake up and put an end to it.

Time to wake up and look around at just how much they have stolen and hold these people accountable. Or not - its up to us how much control we have in this country - not them..we need to flex our muscle and vote for term limits and accountability and consequences for criminal politicians and boardroom swindlers and break the stranglehold we are in.

The Constitution - or whats left of it - still guarantees us that right.


That Document - so vital to this Great Nation and its original principles has never been so trampled and subverted as it has been by this administration.

Step one for the new blood had better be to restore it - no more presidential 'signing statements' - no more 'patriot act' and no more incredible subversion of ACTUAL FREEDOM in the name of bush's SUEDO freedom - may he choke on his own stool someday.

Was this a response to my post? If so, please read my post again.

--Outlaw.

heywooood
02-09-2008, 10:09 AM
boycotts are innefective where commodities are concerned - fuel and wheat glutens are commodities - products a society MUST have - thats why it is rediculous to let corporations set their own profit margins on these kinds of products.
Other products could and should be open to free market norms but not commodities - and healthcare is another prime example of this mistake - running health care and health insurance for PROFIT leaves MILLIONS of people without this basic, fundamental need.

We have more children going without regular medical exams and care than any other enriched country in the world...pathetic, inexcusable and to my mind, criminal.

heywooood
02-09-2008, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
so - we are saving money buying lead tainted products for our kids and melamine poisoned food supplements for ourselves and our pets?

American corporations aren't about saving american consumers money! dammit! wake up.

Instead they are all about maximising PROFITS regardless of the health or safety of their customers.

We are their last concern when it comes to their bottom line and they rely on their lobbyists and ratbastar|) politicians to protect them as they do so - at the expense of our childrens health and welfare as well as our own in lost jobs, a shrinking dollar and no end in sight - just more of the same if we don't wake up and put an end to it.

Time to wake up and look around at just how much they have stolen and hold these people accountable. Or not - its up to us how much control we have in this country - not them..we need to flex our muscle and vote for term limits and accountability and consequences for criminal politicians and boardroom swindlers and break the stranglehold we are in.

The Constitution - or whats left of it - still guarantees us that right.


That Document - so vital to this Great Nation and its original principles has never been so trampled and subverted as it has been by this administration.

Step one for the new blood had better be to restore it - no more presidential 'signing statements' - no more 'patriot act' and no more incredible subversion of ACTUAL FREEDOM in the name of bush's SUEDO freedom - may he choke on his own stool someday.

Was this a response to my post? If so, please read my post again.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes - where you say 'until things get pretty bad'....aren't things already pretty bad? How much worse can things get? Have you seen how many houses are in foreclosure? Do you realise what that means to the people renting those houses from their embattled owners - eviction, homelessness. Do you see where the dollar is today vs eight years ago? Are you aware of the current state of quality employment and where the bank loan fiasco has left us?
The volume of governmant bailout and what that means to our taxes going forward? If a real administraton gets in there and sees what really needs to be done just to get started in the right direction, we are going to see more new taxes and more cuts to medical and vital social programs than ever before in our history...at a time when enhancements to those programs are critical.

I realise we are on roughly the same page Outlaw - but I think we might be drawing slightly different conclusions...

But going after corporations that cheat or sell jobs overseas or that avoid paying their share of the tax burden by relocating their headquarters and holdings to exempt offshore locations must be punished and levied against.

America can't support this huge drain anymore (never could really, it was just profit-taking on a massive scale and at the expense of our working, middle class)- besides - it only benefits a few people and sets them above their own founding Nation and at such a cost that its hard to grasp the full weight of it.

Outlaw---
02-09-2008, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
How much worse can things get?


You don't honestly think that this economy is as bad as it can get do you?

As long as the voters can be stupid enough to vote for people that actively move jobs overseas, then things aren't even close to as bad as they can get. Note that by, "...be stupid enough...", I mean that being stupid is a luxury afforded to them by the current state of affairs. That luxury may not always be there.

In the real world it doesn't matter what SHOULD be done. The only thing that matters is what people will vote for and right now they won't vote for someone who tells them they are going to have to suffer a little bit so other people can suffer a lot less.


--Outlaw.

heywooood
02-09-2008, 11:26 AM
which leads us back to the fact that the full weight and measure of the damage already done seems not to have been realised just yet.

we'll see I guess

RAF_OldBuzzard
02-09-2008, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
How much worse can things get?

Evidently, you weren't around when a certain Peanut Farmer was President

OH, as for what I'll use it for?

3870 x2 baby!!!

slipBall
02-09-2008, 03:35 PM
Well, I could fill my truck tank 5 times, or I could almost fill my heating oil tank 1 time, or I could buy 38 twelve packs of Beck beer...I'll have to sleep on this one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Tator_Totts
02-09-2008, 04:21 PM
Heywood all of this coming out is not a result of the Chargers lost is it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Something to cheer you up.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1682/12abem4zs6.jpg

DuxCorvan
02-09-2008, 04:40 PM
Ehem, nice toes... I mean, trainers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

roybaty
02-09-2008, 05:33 PM
I'll either save it or pay off debt; this is why it's a bunch B.S. as most will probably do the same. How the hell will that stimulate the economy, all it will do is increase the national debt. It's like p***ing on a forest fire

Stew278
02-09-2008, 05:42 PM
The only economy it will stimulate is SE Asia's since 90% of the things people will buy with it are made there. And even then most of the money will only go into the pockets of the wealthy elite since the average worker there makes chump change.

Personally I'd rather see them spend the $150 billion or whatever it is to try and keep some blasted jobs here. $600 now doesn't mean diddly squat to me if I can't find a job 1-2 years from now.

jarink
02-09-2008, 05:45 PM
Pay off some debt. Unlike many people, I don't blame my debt on any current or past presidents; I blame it on my wife.

heywooood
02-09-2008, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by RAF_OldBuzzard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
How much worse can things get?

Evidently, you weren't around when a certain Peanut Farmer was President

OH, as for what I'll use it for?

3870 x2 baby!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

chart (http://www.cedarcomm.com/%7Estevelm1/usdebt.htm) ...great now I'm a chart monkey - thanks Tagart

As even you Republicans can see - Carters got nothing on Las Dos Bush's...see it all started with Reaganomics..aka Voodoo economics as coined by the first witchdoctor of corporate greed Bush senior...but the 'tarded apple didn't fall far from the 'tarded tree...so here we are.

the Bushes poisoned the well and now can't figure out why the tree is dying...DoH!

crucislancer
02-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAF_OldBuzzard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
How much worse can things get?

Evidently, you weren't around when a certain Peanut Farmer was President

OH, as for what I'll use it for?

3870 x2 baby!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

chart (http://www.cedarcomm.com/%7Estevelm1/usdebt.htm) ...great now I'm a chart monkey - thanks Tagart

As even you Republicans can see - Carters got nothing on Las Dos Bush's...see it all started with Reaganomics..aka Voodoo economics as coined by the first witchdoctor of corporate greed Bush senior...but the 'tarded apple didn't fall far from the 'tarded tree...so here we are.

the Bushes poisoned the well and now can't figure out why the tree is dying...DoH! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Bravo.

RAF_OldBuzzard
02-09-2008, 08:40 PM
ROFL

A 'chart' from a site by a guy dedicatd to showing that BOOOOSSSHHHHH is the 'worst president ever'.

That's like asking Kurfust to give an objective review of the 109 vs the Spitfire!

I'll see your chart, and raise you 2 more here:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1820.cfm

heywooood
02-09-2008, 08:51 PM
ok - I'll wait here until you post one on the same subject from any source you like that indicates anything different.

lets see what you find.

another - shows unemployment link to natl.debt (http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/15070852)

another (http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/5323527)

see pages 33 and 34 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/pdf/hist.pdf) these pages show the increasing tax breaks given to corporations and the disparity between the amount of money collected from them vs the individual income taxes paid (by the rest of us)
the difference before 1970 was about half - but as you scroll down you see a vastly wider margin...and lately big business has taken these tax breaks and greedily coupled them with cheaper offshore mfg. profits and other holdings to reduce their already meager tax liability resulting in lost jobs in america and lead tainted goods produced at slave wages as well as food products poisoned with lead and glycol.
The bulk of this lopsided corporate tax advantage occuring in the midst of Reagans second term but really out of control from 1990 on as corporate ****** then coupled those breaks with the exporting of US jobs and the importing of ****, cut rate goods at artificially inflated prices ....

RAF_OldBuzzard
02-09-2008, 08:55 PM
OOPS you replied whilst I was editing.....see above.

heywooood
02-09-2008, 09:43 PM
tax shortfalls and phoney 'rebates' all in the face of record spending (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/BG1710.cfm)....it just doesn't add up.

and that fact that the middle, working class is expected to foot the bill is the salt in the wound that should cause reasonable people to react with reasonable means.

It is the current administration that failed to act on enrons and other associated companies' criminal energy and stock manipulation (cheney) along with the rest of the Wall Street meltdown, and it has been their lack of oversight into the banking/home lending malfeasance on top of that that has lead to the lower interest rates and other fiscal bandaids for these criminals - financial fixes that we are funding directly.
To say that there is no pending or existing deficit nightmare in the face of the facts is ludicrous at best.

BoCfuss
02-09-2008, 11:44 PM
A. The U.S. Government can tax a company enough money to make said company move.

B. Don't tax them as much and they stay. States do this more then the national government.

C. ????what is an alternative? Sue companies that move? Embargo, tax exports? That would certainly help.

Stew278
02-10-2008, 04:43 AM
Well, there was just an article on Anandtech about the German gov't suing Nokia for closing down a plant to move it to Romania for cheaper labor. They apparently want the money back for some subsidies they gave Nokia to get them to renovate the plant.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10600

Of course if the US govt tried to make companies here pay a penalty for exporting American jobs for no other reason than profit they'd just find a way around it. They'd use the tired old "but we can't find American workers to fill the positions" excuse or they'd phase out all the jobs and close down. Then, in a completely unrelated occurrence, one of their subsidiaries overseas would open up a new facility that conveniently fills the exact same role.

Taxing companies too heavily here drives them away, placing environmental regs on them drives them away, defending against frivolous civil lawsuits seeking insane payouts drives them away, workers that expect to be paid a living wage and treated like human beings rather than slave labor drives them away. In a fully open marketplace there is little reason for profit driven companies to stay here. Add to that the fact that the companies are often run by ego maniacal, soulless, elitists that have absolutely zero compassion for their employees and it is no surprise things are turning out like this. The only thing that will keep decent jobs here is government intervention. The govt could either offer them incentives to stay or enforce penalties if they leave, but just letting them do whatever they wish will only hurt the economy in the long run.

Maybe we should treat our trade partners like they treat us. There are countries that export massive amounts of cheap goods here while simultaneously blocking many of our goods from being sold in their country, why do we allow this? We have the leverage to balance this situation if our leaders had the guts to use it. Instead we are sacrificing long term economic stability for better profits on the short term. It's the govt that will feel the pinch when tax revenues drop, crime rises, more people go on public assistance, and things like that when there is nothing left but low pay, service sector jobs.

buzzsaw1939
02-10-2008, 06:03 AM
I'm disapointed in you Oldbuzzard...I guess it was pretty presumptuous for me to think that people our age would see eye to eye, after all, if we did, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now!... would we? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Blood_Splat
02-10-2008, 08:54 AM
I'll save it to give it back to them lol.