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Sintubin
01-26-2006, 01:47 PM
I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif saw some time ago that the italian bomber was in model made by 3 party right

Its a nice bomber for me

With her 3 engines hmmmmmmmmmmm )) EXOTIC

so pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Mr Oleg

SM79 PLEASSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSE

ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

I dont care much about the Do-335

Just some nice bombers in cluding the SM79

You now wat !!

Skip the fighters in next patch 3.0m

Put some nice bombers in please for west east pacific

Stigler_9_JG52
01-26-2006, 04:18 PM
Done. (http://targettobruk.twsim.net/gallery/)

LEXX_Luthor
01-26-2006, 04:58 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

joeap
01-30-2006, 07:46 AM
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triggerhappyfin
01-30-2006, 12:55 PM
Would sure be nice with the Italian birds announced for patch 4.03.

Philipscdrw
01-30-2006, 01:03 PM
Apparently the Italian Major Boldo (or someone with a similar name to him) was shot down and killed by Italian AA-guns because 'they thought he was an enemy bomber'.

He was flying alone, in the completely distinctively-shaped unique SM.79, and he was one of the few people to tell Mussolini the truth about his 'air force' (truths like it only had a few hundred fighters, not 8,500, which is what Mussolini wanted to believe).

I also heard that the Luftwaffe pilots refused to fly in the SM.79 because they thought it was a dangerous aeroplane, and that the Italian aircraft had no intercom systems.

IIJG69_Kartofe
01-30-2006, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Done. (http://www.targetware.net)

Hmmm ...

You are cruel !

Naughty boy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

HotelBushranger
01-30-2006, 11:38 PM
She sure is pretty huh?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7704/sm79sq253gr104st435ri.jpg

Abraxa
01-31-2006, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Apparently the Italian Major Boldo (or someone with a similar name to him) was shot down and killed by Italian AA-guns because 'they thought he was an enemy bomber'

He was flying alone, in the completely distinctively-shaped unique SM.79, and he was one of the few people to tell Mussolini the truth about his 'air force' (truths like it only had a few hundred fighters, not 8,500, which is what Mussolini wanted to believe).

It was Italo Balbo.
well, the birds were thousands not hundreds... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but Balbo was right. Italy wasn't ready at all for a war.


I also heard that the Luftwaffe pilots refused to fly in the SM.79 because they thought it was a dangerous aeroplane, and that the Italian aircraft had no intercom systems.

It was mostly dangerous for the ships... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It sunk more tons than any other torpedo bomber in WW2, and actually it was a very tough and reliable bird, so I really can't figure where this story comes from.
The few German pilots who joined the Italian crews in some missions aginst the English fleet were deeply impressed. They thought that the Italians were crazy to dare that nuch and fly through walls of fire towards the ships.

JtD
01-31-2006, 09:10 AM
I like this one, too. A unique aircraft with many positive attributes.

Sintubin
01-31-2006, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Abraxa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Apparently the Italian Major Boldo (or someone with a similar name to him) was shot down and killed by Italian AA-guns because 'they thought he was an enemy bomber'

He was flying alone, in the completely distinctively-shaped unique SM.79, and he was one of the few people to tell Mussolini the truth about his 'air force' (truths like it only had a few hundred fighters, not 8,500, which is what Mussolini wanted to believe).

It was Italo Balbo.
well, the birds were thousands not hundreds... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but Balbo was right. Italy wasn't ready at all for a war.


I also heard that the Luftwaffe pilots refused to fly in the SM.79 because they thought it was a dangerous aeroplane, and that the Italian aircraft had no intercom systems.

It was mostly dangerous for the ships... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It sunk more tons than any other torpedo bomber in WW2, and actually it was a very tough and reliable bird, so I really can't figure where this story comes from.
The few German pilots who joined the Italian crews in some missions aginst the English fleet were deeply impressed. They thought that the Italians were crazy to dare that nuch and fly through walls of fire towards the ships. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree

it was one if not the best anti ship bomber from WW2

Philipscdrw
01-31-2006, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Abraxa:
The few German pilots who joined the Italian crews in some missions aginst the English fleet were deeply impressed. They thought that the Italians were crazy to dare that nuch and fly through walls of fire towards the ships.

Maybe the story I heard actually referred to German pilots who didn't like flying with Italians through so much anti-aircraft fire then! The book I read hasn't got very much credibility.

Stigler_9_JG52
01-31-2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
She sure is pretty huh?

http://www.naysayers.com/sm79_3.jpg

In virtual skies, too.

Philipscdrw
01-31-2006, 11:32 AM
Isn't Targetware going to be payware? Are you allowed to peddle it here?

goshikisen
01-31-2006, 11:36 AM
A composite image using the MIA FB/PF SM79 Model

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf5.jpg

joeap
01-31-2006, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Sintubin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Abraxa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Apparently the Italian Major Boldo (or someone with a similar name to him) was shot down and killed by Italian AA-guns because 'they thought he was an enemy bomber'

He was flying alone, in the completely distinctively-shaped unique SM.79, and he was one of the few people to tell Mussolini the truth about his 'air force' (truths like it only had a few hundred fighters, not 8,500, which is what Mussolini wanted to believe).

It was Italo Balbo.
well, the birds were thousands not hundreds... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but Balbo was right. Italy wasn't ready at all for a war.


I also heard that the Luftwaffe pilots refused to fly in the SM.79 because they thought it was a dangerous aeroplane, and that the Italian aircraft had no intercom systems.

It was mostly dangerous for the ships... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It sunk more tons than any other torpedo bomber in WW2, and actually it was a very tough and reliable bird, so I really can't figure where this story comes from.
The few German pilots who joined the Italian crews in some missions aginst the English fleet were deeply impressed. They thought that the Italians were crazy to dare that nuch and fly through walls of fire towards the ships. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree

it was one if not the best anti ship bomber from WW2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It was and it is a very unique design indeed and I would love it in the sim.

Don't forget though, RN aa was not the best in the early and mid war period. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nice pic Goshikisen.

joeap
01-31-2006, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Isn't Targetware going to be payware? Are you allowed to peddle it here?

I beleive you are correct. Depends when the "open beta" is done if I understood the FAQ over there.

Stigler_9_JG52
01-31-2006, 12:26 PM
Yes, and yes.

Although I bristle at the word, "peddle". I'm not selling anything, and I don't make a dime off Targetware, now or in the future when it does go P2P. Right now, it is in a very unrushed, extended beta (some say, too extended! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), so for all intents and purposes it's free to preview, play on servers, and best of all, to actively contribute to in ways small and large.

Last I checked, mentioning other flight sims, especially to compare them to similar planes in IL-2/PF, or to mention planes over there that aren't modelled over here, is cricket. As it should be; it's completely relevant.

And, by the way, goshikisen, Target:Tobruk's Savoias have the desert mottled skins, too.

HotelBushranger
02-01-2006, 03:51 AM
Stigler, can I have the link to Targetware? I lost it when I got a new computer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

IIRC, it was the only torpedo bomber capable of carrying 2 torpedos. That or I'm confusing it with a Canzoni (spelling?).

Maraz_5SA
02-01-2006, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Stigler, can I have the link to Targetware? I lost it when I got a new computer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

IIRC, it was the only torpedo bomber capable of carrying 2 torpedos. That or I'm confusing it with a Canzoni (spelling?).

Canzoni? Maybe Caproni...
Anyway, the SM.79 could in theory carry two torpedoes, but this way it became too slow and sluggish, so it lost its well known agility (a not-overloaded SM.79 was a very nimble aircraft for its size). So in actual torpedo attacks the SM.79 only carried one torpedo, while two torpedoes were only carried sometimes for transfer flights.

Here are the links:
Targetware: http://www.targetware.net
Target Tobruk (the mod where you actually find the SM.79): http://targettobruk.twsim.net/
Maraz

JG53Frankyboy
02-01-2006, 06:32 AM
its realy a pitty that the italians did use the Br.20 and not the SM79 at the battle of Britain - we would have than a flyable SM79 perhaps much faster - in maddox BoB i mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HotelBushranger
02-03-2006, 08:33 AM
Yeah, the BR 20 was a peice of ****. And the crew had to carry full infantry gear, including rifles with bayonets.

For some reason my previous post didn't come up, so I'll just retype it:

Payload of the SM 79: 2 450mm torpedoes or 1,250 kg (2,756lb) of bombs, usually in 250kg or 100kg bomb sizes.

Buzzsaw-
02-03-2006, 08:45 AM
Salute

I would really like to have seen the SM79 added to the game, even if it was AI. Would have allowed pretty good Italian scenarios to be built. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

That aside, the best Italian bomber of WWII was the Cant Z 1007, which had a similar engine layout to the SM79, but was overall better.

Italian bombers, (and fighters) were handicapped in the design stage by lack of a good high horsepower Italian aero engine.

This was the reason for the triple engine setup.

Fighters eventually got a decent engine in the form of the licence built Daimler Benz DB601's and 605's, but the Bombers AFAIK, never did.

Still, despite inferior aircraft performance, the Italian bomber pilots actually performed heroically, especially in the anti-shipping role, the SM-79 crew's were quite effective doing this, and one or two became heroes in Italy for their sinking of British shipping.

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02-03-2006, 12:11 PM
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HotelBushranger
02-03-2006, 09:03 PM
Re Buzzsaw's post:

Pretty much spot on. The early SM 79 engines were only 850hp, then got upgraded to 1000hp later in the war, and the bird really started to shine then. And Italians were exceptionally good at high level precision attacks.

pdog1
02-04-2006, 08:23 AM
Look how long it took to get italian fighters in the game?! LOL you got a long wait for italian bombers esp the SM 79.

pdog1
02-04-2006, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Re Buzzsaw's post:

Pretty much spot on. The early SM 79 engines were only 850hp, then got upgraded to 1000hp later in the war, and the bird really started to shine then. And Italians were exceptionally good at high level precision attacks.

LOL i guess you never heard of punto stilo?

HotelBushranger
02-04-2006, 08:53 PM
Haha as a matter of fact mate, no I haven't. Care to fill me in? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pdog1
02-05-2006, 01:12 PM
They missed in bombing the british fleet and bombed the italian fleet at one time!

HotelBushranger
02-06-2006, 01:28 AM
Hahaha well I guess you proved me wrong mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif When did that happen?

pdog1
02-06-2006, 03:08 AM
July 9th 1940. The italian and british fleets crossed paths and the british fleet came under italian aerial bombardment. 2000 bombs were dropped on the fleet but there was only one hit on one british ship which caused minor damage.
Of those 2000 bombs, only 8 were 500kg bombs.
The rest where 250/100kg bombs which would hardly make a dent in a british battleship. None of that matters anyway since only one bomb hit anything. Bombing moving ships from high altitude doesn't generally work...and having old and innaccurate bombsights doesn't help either. Then by mistake italian planes bombed one of there own ships. Luckily for the italian sailors though they missed.
Torpedo bombing is much better and much deadlier. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maraz_5SA
02-06-2006, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by pdog1:
July 9th 1940. The italian and british fleets crossed paths and the british fleet came under italian aerial bombardment. 2000 bombs were dropped on the fleet but there was only one hit on one british ship which caused minor damage.
Of those 2000 bombs, only 8 were 500kg bombs.
The rest where 250/100kg bombs which would hardly make a dent in a british battleship. None of that matters anyway since only one bomb hit anything. Bombing moving ships from high altitude doesn't generally work...and having old and innaccurate bombsights doesn't help either. Then by mistake italian planes bombed one of there own ships. Luckily for the italian sailors though they missed.
Torpedo bombing is much better and much deadlier. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Almost all true, but the Gloucester was hit rather badly. Also some other ships (including the battleship Warspite, the aircraft carrier Eagle, the cruiser Liverpool and the destroyer Vampire) were slightly damaged by near misses. Admiral Cunningham was impressed by the precision of Italian level bombers, at that time he thought they had a specifical training for naval bombing (he wrote that in his book "A sailor's odissey").

But it's true that high level ship bombing does not pay and torpedo bombing is more precise though very dangerous to the bomber's crew

Maraz

joeap
02-06-2006, 05:56 AM
Wasn't Punto Stilo also a surface battle between the RM and RN? Could some of the damage have been inflicted by the Italian ships as well as planes?

HotelBushranger
02-06-2006, 06:12 AM
Thanks for the info chaps http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xilon_x
02-06-2006, 11:26 AM
another important england bomber for africa and mediterrain campain is BRISTOL BEAUFORT oleg maddox i whant this plane in the next patch please. plus another important italian and england battle ship and cruiser.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-06-2006, 12:02 PM
Muraz 5SA wrote:

Torpedo bombing is much better and much deadlier.

Well, given the really low survival rate of these planes, that's debatable. Some would say it was deadlier to the torp bomber crews.

Torpedo bombing did have some illustrious successes, but many, many more abject failures. And that's why the type pretty much disappeared as a specific aircraft type after the war.

But, still, high level bombing of ships was complete lunacy, and proven useless very early in the war.

HotelBushranger
02-07-2006, 02:15 AM
Xilon: its good to see that you didn't go 'omfg oleg you have to make this for me because i said so and the customers always right!!!11'

Keep in mind, however, to make a brand new plane, especially a twin engine, multi position aircraft like the Bristol Beaufort, would take months. First, Oleg and Co have to dig up the necessary info on the specific mark, and then they would have to model it. Modelling, taking several months. So I would say pretty much 100% of not getting the Beaufort in game, unless you got the entire, and I mean entire community rallying for it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

pdog1
02-07-2006, 02:31 AM
Beaufort in med sim, be sure.

Maraz_5SA
02-07-2006, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
Wasn't Punto Stilo also a surface battle between the RM and RN? Could some of the damage have been inflicted by the Italian ships as well as planes?

Aha, you're opening a can of worms! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Actually all British reports deny any damage (even from shell splinters or near misses) to their ships received from Italian ships during the short encounter of the two main fleets.

Though, an Italian researcher, Mr. E. Cernuschi, claims that a near miss from a 320 mm shot of the Giulio Cesare slightly damaged the Warspite. This claim is based on some documents kept at the PRO, that noone else has been able to find again up to now unfortunately. I am convinced that this researcher, though in good faith, is mistaken, and that all damage was done by the Regia Aeronautica.

Maraz

Crop-Duster.
02-07-2006, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by pdog1:
Beaufort in med sim, be sure.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif