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Finkeren
01-31-2005, 07:38 AM
OK maybe this "poll" has been done before, but as far I know not since the release of PF.
What do you think is the best and worst cockpit of any flyable AC in FB/PF?

The reasons to love a cockpit can be many and varried but consider these factors:

Coolness of the ceneral design, does it give you the feeling of piloting a bad a plane?

View from the pit, can you see a bandit creeping up at six o' clock, low, or is the glass smeared so you can't hit a Betty at 20 yards?

Design and arrangement of cockpit instruments, is it simple and logical, or needlessly complicated? Does it have what you need, and is all gauges in working order?

General quality of the modelling and skinning. Do you get the feeling that someone really cared for this cockpit, or was it just rushed through to feed the ever-hungry "more flyable" whiners?

Here is my pick:

Best: The Ki-61, because it looks immensively cool with a sort of "rough" toch, and because you can see the speedometer and altimeter and focus on the gunsight at the same time (also the best gunsight of all jap. planes). View is generally good, and you can actually see something through the small windows on the sides in front of the windscreen.
2nd Best: I include this because I generally loves this plane, the B-239.
Because it's simple and logical (and because of the cute little ammo-counters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

Worst: Definately the P-47 razorback! Horrible view from the cockpit (yes I know it's realistic but guess why they went and made the bubbletop). And absolutely crappy modelling work, just look at the diamond shaped gunsight, ocationally bad skinning and lack of working gauges!

Give me your best and worst!

Maple_Tiger
01-31-2005, 07:44 AM
You might want to redo the thread to include a poll.

Some of the russion aircraft also have some plane looking pits. For example, the Mig. Yes, the Razorbak has one ugly looking pit.

Finkeren
01-31-2005, 07:50 AM
Nah I don't wanna include a poll, I want people to give their honest oppinoin not chose between some planes I selected.
If I find that some planes are more popular than others, I'll make a poll to judge wich is best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Tallyho1961
01-31-2005, 08:32 AM
I've always liked the Hurricane's cockpit - it somehow makes me believe I could fly the real thing.

I like the P-40. Well-placed instruments and a lean 'n' mean look to it.

Also love the B-239. Simple layout with nice big easy-to-read instruments. Kind of like the old Honda Civic.

I've grown to love the Wildcat, outside and inside, although I'm still not sure what that exposed bundle of wires - if that's what it is - underneath the gunsight is doing there. Anybody know what it represents?

Blackdog5555
01-31-2005, 08:40 AM
I go with the P47 as worst. The octogon Gunsight looks like it was made to optimize ramerates for a 286 computer with a CGA 3 color card. looks like it made with 4 bit textures. forthe Best I would give a tie for the P-38 or KI-61. The Level of detail 3D quality is excellant.

DuxCorvan
01-31-2005, 08:46 AM
Best: Gladiator
Worst: P.11c

Try it and you'll see. Aaaaargh ugh yuck! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Someone should remake it, I like the plane.

Zneg1
01-31-2005, 08:54 AM
Best: I185,FW190 and Ki-84.

Sorry I cannot choose between those three. The layout for these three are quite easy and feels rugged enough and solid enough.

Worse: The biplanes. Very hard to orient myself and see what's around. Slow speed does not always compensate for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Indianer.
01-31-2005, 10:34 AM
BEST- P40

WORST-SBD or Wildcat

crazyivan1970
01-31-2005, 10:57 AM
Best I-185, Gladiator, Me-110, Me-262
Worst Spitfire, P-47

Hairball_1
01-31-2005, 11:42 AM
I prefer the B-25 to the He-111 cocpit, that's for sure.

Any plane without an artificial horizon, really stinks, too.

I've always been fond of the P-39 and Fw-190 cockpits. All of the 109s need new textures.

flyplenty
01-31-2005, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I like the P-40. Well-placed instruments and a lean 'n' mean look to it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree. The instrument placement doesn't require you to stare down in the dark, and they're easy to read. I don't know about the worst, I haven't flown that many planes yet.

RAGEous1
01-31-2005, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All of the 109s need new textures. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes! I definitely agree. The modelling is nice but it needs new 'paint'.

Like someone posted earlier, I like the Hurricane cockpit. It just...feels right.

GoldenEagleFM
01-31-2005, 12:40 PM
How do you know the Gladiator cockpit is best. I have the Gladiator MKI and MKII but both are not flyable. I have FB+AEP+PF.
Am I missing something?

blue_76
01-31-2005, 12:45 PM
BEST: 109 (all versions)
WORST: P11

Capt._Tenneal
01-31-2005, 12:51 PM
Worst : Easy. P-47 too. Looks unfinished. Plus those fuchsia controls : were the real things really that....pink ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Best : Too many favorites. Some have already been mentioned. My additions have to be :
A-20 (I love the Douglas logo on the controls. Nice touch)
IL-2 (all versions. I still have a fondness for the game's namesake. Surprising hi-res quality too for something that has been there from the original version. Why aren't the 109's pits like this ?)
Beaufighter (best canopy for me right now)

Capt._Tenneal
01-31-2005, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoldenEagleFM:
How do you know the Gladiator cockpit is best. I have the Gladiator MKI and MKII but both are not flyable. I have FB+AEP+PF.
Am I missing something? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The flyable Gladiator is listed as the J8A. It's the Swedish version made under license, but it's essentially the Gladiator.

unseen84
01-31-2005, 12:57 PM
I didn't like the Mig-3's cockpit when I was flying it in my campaign, it was almost too plain. Don't care much for the Spitfire's either.

The best? I guess I'll go with the Wildcat & Ki-61

Chuck_Older
01-31-2005, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Finkeren:
Worst: Definately the P-47 razorback! Horrible view from the cockpit (yes I know it's realistic but guess why they went and made the bubbletop). And absolutely crappy modelling work, just look at the diamond shaped gunsight, ocationally bad skinning and lack of working gauges!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't fancy the P-47 cockpit you are talking about

But it was someone's best effort, when that was made. It was good enough to get in, and because of that, the plane is flyable- without that cockpit, you wouldn't be flying the plane

I don't think it's fair to bash that modeller's work unless you can do better. And no, I didn't make it.

If you say it's outdated and needs a re-work, I'd agree. But 'crappy', no, I don't agree

goshikisen
01-31-2005, 02:49 PM
Best: Ki-84

Worst: P-47 - and in the designer's defense... he did say it was compromised in some way when it was put into the game.

Chuck_Older
01-31-2005, 02:53 PM
Oh- I didn't vote http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P-38 is great, J8 is just stunning. I like the 109E-4 for some reason- it feels dangerous. P-40 and P-51 are just loaded with little details, too. But best overall in my opinion is the J8- it sets a standard in consistent high quality. Haven't spent much time behind the stick in an IJ plane

P-47 needs to be given another go by the modeller
Zero could use a facelift in my opinion. A minor one

CRSutton
01-31-2005, 04:06 PM
Me110 is a work of art.

horseback
01-31-2005, 08:10 PM
J8 is a marvellous piece of work, and I was very impressed with the Ki-61 pits, but the Me 110 is the best looking.

As for ugly, my money has to be on the P-47. The MiG isn't that bad, it's just old.

cheers

horseback

LEXX_Luthor
01-31-2005, 08:33 PM
We "forgot" one reason for "best" or "worst" cockpit.

Its the one I see most often. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MiG~3 is the best cockpit in the game.

Well, that and I~16

CR.42 has the most sexy cockpit, especially at sunset with those instrument lights turned on. Try it now if you have not before. They are Real y Spectacular.

Finkeren
02-01-2005, 12:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:

I don't fancy the P-47 cockpit you are talking about

But it was someone's best effort, when that was made. It was good enough to get in, and because of that, the plane is flyable- without that cockpit, you wouldn't be flying the plane

I don't think it's fair to bash that modeller's work unless you can do better. And no, I didn't make it.

If you say it's outdated and needs a re-work, I'd agree. But 'crappy', no, I don't agree <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>´

I didn't know that the modelling work had to be compromised, but I still claim that the p-47 pit looks really bad, maybe the mistake lies somewhere else? Anyway: for a cockpit that was introduced rather late in the development of the series, it's just not a good model.
Cudos to the modeller anyway for making the Jug flyable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

HotelBushranger
02-01-2005, 03:56 AM
I dunno about the definite bets, but the P-40 is high in the order. Simple gunsite, not other ones with a million and one things on it, easy to read instrument panel, sorta down to earth feel about it, nothin too flash about it, nothin to shabby, just gets the job done, and done well.

As for FB/AEP, I had a look at the Gladiator yesterday, and it looks nice lol can't remember most of it. Btw whats the Glads armament, I no they got a coupla wing guns (MG, cannon?) but What about nose guns?

Worst, Wildcat/Hellcat series, or Zero series, you can see bugger all with the Zero gunsight. Oskars you also can't see where you're shooting, as well as D3A1 or whatever it is. I also remember there was a plane, where you couln't see if a plane was coming from below in front of you, so if you were diving, then pulling out and overshot, you had NO idea where he was till he passed your gunsight.

Anyway my 2 cents.

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-01-2005, 10:25 AM
Worst: G.50 (wrong proportions and color)
Best: J8, Ki-61, -84, Bf110, Ta-152 (and some others) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

actionhank1786
02-01-2005, 11:12 AM
best deffinitly goes to the Ki-61.
The P-47 is ugly, but the thing is, the modellers wanted to improve it.
apparently they couldnt get in touch with Oleg to get their files back, to rework the model.
As for the colors, i think they said that they looked completely different in the modelling program and came out weirdly in game.
They should fly to russia and get those files!

Capt._Tenneal
02-01-2005, 11:26 AM
Thanks for clarification on the P-47 situation. Good effort to get the Jug in the game and flyable. I guess the situation is out of the modeller's hands.

I still say the pit needs a hint of chartreuse, though ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rummyrum
02-01-2005, 12:43 PM
Many of these pits were created 3+ years ago on a much lower poly budget. Not really a fair question. That aside J8 is best, Spitfires look bad considering they are not that old.

Hoatee
02-01-2005, 12:54 PM
Worst cockpit : P11c.

Slick750
02-01-2005, 06:44 PM
Best: bf-110
worst: my 83 grand marquis

clayman_52
02-01-2005, 06:56 PM
Best ...

http://home.comcast.net/~vclayman/110.jpg

Worst: P47 (dang)

Hey Slick, an "83 Grand Marquis"!!! <span class="ev_code_RED">WOW ... I never knew!</span>
anyone know where I can get some good skins for her? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Cadet_Bobo
02-02-2005, 01:14 AM
The Ki-61 is cool 'cause the lock latches move when you open the cockpit. Nice touch.

Maj_Death
02-02-2005, 02:43 AM
Best Quality: tie between Bf-110G, Me-262, Ki-61, Ki-84, and J8A, all of these are really great.

Worst Quality: tie between P.11c, P-47 (all varients) and IAR-80/81's. Most were rushed or done as first time projects.

Best layout and funtionality: Bf-110G, Fw-190, Me-262

Worst layout and functionality: Bf-109E/F/G, Spitfire and Hurricane.

Best visibility: Bf-110 (including gunner's seat)

Worst visibility: Cr.21 (nice pit though)

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-02-2005, 04:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:

The P-47 is ugly, but the thing is, the modellers wanted to improve it.
apparently they couldnt get in touch with Oleg to get their files back, to rework the model.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats not quite correct. They did get in touch but Oleg told them there is no chance of changing, because there is a 'really serious problem'. This where stated shortly before Oleg gave the knowledge about the current Northrop/Grumman/... - crisis to the community. I guess it has something to do with it. Wasn't it the same reason, the P-47N was quit for?

Sorry for OffTopic... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ElAurens
02-02-2005, 05:15 AM
Based on looks alone...this has noting to do with playability.

The Best:

I 185, J8A, Bf110, Ki 61.

The worst?

Spitfire, hands down the worst modeled pit in the game, closely followed by the P47s and P 11.

actionhank1786
02-02-2005, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:

The P-47 is ugly, but the thing is, the modellers wanted to improve it.
apparently they couldnt get in touch with Oleg to get their files back, to rework the model.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats not quite correct. They did get in touch but Oleg told them there is no chance of changing, because there is a 'really serious problem'. This where stated shortly before Oleg gave the knowledge about the current Northrop/Grumman/... - crisis to the community. I guess it has something to do with it. Wasn't it the same reason, the P-47N was quit for?

Sorry for OffTopic... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahhh, thanks for clearing that up.
I remember there was some big topic about it.
someone can get out their shovel and go digging http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-03-2005, 02:46 AM
Here ist the link to the mentioned thread (at Netwings):

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1304.html



Further I wonder why so much people don't like the Spitfire cockpits!! IMHO its one of the best, especially the Spit MKIX!

Bowmiester
02-03-2005, 04:11 PM
Best.. Gladiator and Beaufighter nice work. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Worst.. A20 Looks like something out of cfs 3, specially the gunner positions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JaVA_Zeehond
02-03-2005, 05:34 PM
best: i185
worst: stuka (jech ugly textures their in a plain black/grey tube)