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Old_Canuck
05-05-2007, 12:32 AM
Are there any believers left out there? I just fired up FSX again and gave it another try thinking maybe it will at least LOOK great on three monitors even it the FPS problem makes it unflyable but then the tweaking started .. to no avail. Yes, they're coming out with a patch but this reminds me too much of the CFS3 experience. It seems that CFS3 was M$oft's final money grab in the combat sim genre. I've got this creeping feeling that maybe M$oft is getting out of the civy sim genre as well and .... don't want to think about it.

TheGozr
05-05-2007, 12:52 AM
Sorry Old Canuck but FSX is good tool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
A little dedicated corner
http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewforum.php?f=38

Leigh.E
05-05-2007, 03:43 AM
hey i got FS 98 nad then got FS 9 i was playing it everynight but when i got FSX the frame rates we so bad that now im playing il2 do u no where the patch is for the frame rates

leigh

stansdds
05-05-2007, 05:24 AM
Consider this, FSX was designed around Windows Vista, Aeroglass, and DX10, all are new software routines and programs. Windows Vista has problems with hardware drivers and is a resource hog. DX10? Anybody actually seen it? And FSX has bugs of its own. It promises to be a ground breaking sim, unfortunately everything that makes it such a pioneer either isn't working properly or does not yet exsist.

XyZspineZyX
05-05-2007, 05:53 AM
MS is reportedly going to make another combat flight simulator

I am not holding my breath

WarWolfe_1
05-05-2007, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
MS is reportedly going to make another combat flight simulator

I am not holding my breath

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

leitmotiv
05-05-2007, 08:57 AM
Holy cow. FSX with the Flight Replicas 109s is as close to real as we are going to get before BOB. I fire up those beauties and just look. After using one of them, putting on an Oleg 109 feels ridiculous. Give me a break.

TheGozr
05-05-2007, 10:02 AM
SP1 for FSX will be release this month support for dual cpu and SLI etc.... I really like FSX i have great FPS. There is no doubt in my mind that it is a great sim the best by far so far.
FSX is like a tool you use it for different purpose .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=svZD_MOfWJ8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3LvIPZCjvQA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X9k8hMSsQnU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYrF8eb9eQA

Thi is CFS3 like it should of been for Old_Canuck .
CFS3 is already supperior than IL2 ( with my modifications ) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7X6JHwg8o0s

leitmotiv
05-05-2007, 10:33 AM
Oi vey! What a video! What about the notorious "piper cub stall" of CFS3?

carguy_
05-05-2007, 10:46 AM
Amazing videos,Gozr.I`m impressed with the sound.There is no comparing with IL2 here.

Even visible effect of prop blades switching to different angles.

Who knows,maybe Oleg will make even better sim than this.

If it wasn`t for you rich freaks... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jaws2002
05-05-2007, 10:50 AM
I like FSX. only if my pc would like it too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

But that's not the fault of the game but my old PC. FSX lookes awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX17.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX14.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX13.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX2.jpg


As soon as i'll get another box (some times this year), i'll play FSX a lot more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Old_Canuck
05-05-2007, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
Sorry Old Canuck but FSX is good tool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
A little dedicated corner
http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewforum.php?f=38

TheGozr, it might be good after the service pack but I won't waste any more time on it until the overall user reviews are in. Thanks for the tweak page. It might be worth another try after SP1 and when I've got a few days to spare to get it set up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HuninMunin
05-05-2007, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Holy cow. FSX with the Flight Replicas 109s is as close to real as we are going to get before BOB. I fire up those beauties and just look. After using one of them, putting on an Oleg 109 feels ridiculous. Give me a break.


Yeah.....
At least we have the BoBII Emil wich captures the elegance of the 109 - but of course they cannot stand next to the MSFS 109s that are out there.
The IL-2 version just looks wrong around the foreward fuselage....thick somehow.

Chivas
05-05-2007, 11:20 AM
I think FSX is a great tool for learning the mechanics of real life mondane flying. With great panoramic views. I may start using it again after the patch and then Vista patch if they finally are able to do a ground texture and a building foundation. I know its picky but I have unnatural dislike of the ground texture and find it a total immersion killer when flying down low.

WWSensei
05-05-2007, 12:31 PM
I'm enjoying FSX and my system is 4 years old. I did use a tweak to force it to use Shaders 2 for now and that settled the ugly factor for me.

IL2 is by far the better combat simulator. FSX is good for the other 99% of flying IL2 is missing. True complex engine management (rather than the kindergarten hard coded things we have in IL2) and real weather effects are the two real big ones. The stock ground textures in FSX suck but add-on packs (both free and paid) make it look much better.

LStarosta
05-05-2007, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
I'm enjoying FSX and my system is 4 years old. I did use a tweak to force it to use Shaders 2 for now and that settled the ugly factor for me.

IL2 is by far the better combat simulator. FSX is good for the other 99% of flying IL2 is missing. True complex engine management (rather than the kindergarten hard coded things we have in IL2) and real weather effects are the two real big ones. The stock ground textures in FSX suck but add-on packs (both free and paid) make it look much better.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

willyvic
05-05-2007, 01:08 PM
Bottom line, FSX is good, damn good. Sorry you had trouble with it Canuck. Perhaps at a later time then.

WV

leitmotiv
05-05-2007, 03:33 PM
For 109s, HuninMunin, you can't beat Shockwave's E-3/4 and the Flight Replicas' G/K sets for FSX. After using the Flight Replicas G-6, the Maddox G-6/AS is laughable. When I hit boost in the FR 109 I feel like I am in a 109 under full power. It even feels right. Lately it is hard going back to 46. Were it not for the combat---it would have nothing on FSX. And, the airplanes are just absolutely beautiful. I noticed the other day the Flight Replicas 109s have the leather covers inside the rear sides of the wheel wells---what detail! The K's gunsight can be moved out of the way, and you have to switch it on.

HuninMunin
05-05-2007, 03:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The leather covers got me - I'm getting one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

leitmotiv
05-05-2007, 04:47 PM
You will have no regrets. I have to admit, they are SO beautiful I spend as much time looking at them as flying them. By the way, you have to move your cursor around on the right side of the gunsight until the hand appears to find the spot to click on the recticle!!!!

I should say they fly like 109s, too. You will not be able to make Maddox takeoffs. Mind your throttle! The torque is tremendous. In the frame cockpit Gs, you can open the side panel of the hood and peer out to see beyond your snout. With the Erla Haube, you have to guess where you are. A great experience: Hals und beinbruch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.skyunlimited.net/id2bf109k/109k4_vc_01.jpg

xTHRUDx
05-05-2007, 04:59 PM
MS is reportedly going to make another combat flight simulator


umm... quite false, at least not in the next 3 years. just something i over heard in their lunch room. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

in your opinion, you think the FSX bar was set high for POS, have you seen the Theater of War bar? it's much much higher.

leitmotiv
05-05-2007, 05:44 PM
Beating up on FS is so 2005.

Stew278
05-05-2007, 05:51 PM
I play FSX to practice landing planes intact. Most of the time in IL2 my pilot returns to the ground via parachute.

I find FSX to be a nice break when I feel like flying but don't feel like being target practice. Besides which, I enjoy flying helicopters sometimes.

My opinion of FSX might improve once computers that can take full advantage of it are available. I've gotta say that the 10-15FPS I get does ruin the fun sometimes. It's going to be disappointing until CPU+GPU combos powerful enough to handle high graphics settings and alot of air/land traffic are available.

I'm not going to totally give up on FSX just 'cause I have to run it on minimal settings. When IL-2FB first came out I was not very impressed. The original IL2 had run alright on my system, but FB was too much. I had a Dell 8100 with something like 1.7Ghz CPU, 256MB ram, and 32MB vid card. It would literally take 5min to load a mission on the Leningrad map; and then I'd be getting about 15FPS on Med-Low settings and a macro-stutter every time I fired. Not a very enjoyable experience. Once I got a computer up to the task of running IL2 on high settings it became my favorite game. I think FSX will be much the same way.

heywooood
05-05-2007, 08:35 PM
well - you've all seen my latest addiction depiction...

All I can say is that the realistic flight models coupled with a far more serious engine and airframe management as well as dynamic weather more engaging comms leaves Il2 '46 high and dry for now. ( BTW - have any other FSX pilots spoken to the tower @ Monterrey Calif?... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif) she has one of those voices....

Combat is cool but I've been doing nothing else for a long time. FSX scratches a whole slew of itches I didn't realize I had.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/beaverfallsalaska.jpg
sorry, couldn't resist...

DKoor
05-05-2007, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Are there any believers left out there? No I gave up on all of their simulations when I saw IL-2 for the first time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
05-06-2007, 12:13 AM
That was many moons ago.

TX-EcoDragon
05-06-2007, 01:09 AM
My 2001 vintage Dell 8200 PIV 2.8 with a 128 meg 6800 nVidia card ran FSX well after I did the tweaks which are posted in the link by GOZR. I've done these same tweaks for a few friends who are both running AMD 2800+s with nVidia 5900s and it works well for them too.
It does take some effort, but do the right tweaks and it should run on a five year old machine. . .the minimums they posted on the box are indeed absurd, but a 5 series nVidia and a 2.6-2.8PIV class cpu with 1 gig of ram should keep things going pretty well.
With my current Core2Duo/nVidia 8800 I've got most things maxed out and silky smooth performance, so while I agree that it's a demanding program that could really use the optimizations that we are supposed to be getting in the next couple weeks with SP1, for someone like me who doesn't mind doing some tweaking, it gets the job done, and adds great shared cockpit functionality for the mentoring and virtual flight school stuff that I do.




Originally posted by WWSensei:
I'm enjoying FSX and my system is 4 years old. I did use a tweak to force it to use Shaders 2 for now and that settled the ugly factor for me.

IL2 is by far the better combat simulator. FSX is good for the other 99% of flying IL2 is missing. True complex engine management (rather than the kindergarten hard coded things we have in IL2) and real weather effects are the two real big ones. The stock ground textures in FSX suck but add-on packs (both free and paid) make it look much better.

leitmotiv
05-06-2007, 06:17 AM
Thanks for all the tweaking tips, TheGozr!

major_setback
05-06-2007, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
Sorry Old Canuck but FSX is good tool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
A little dedicated corner
http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewforum.php?f=38

Thanks. I borrowed one of your nice pictures to illustrate this thread:

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/wop/B17/B17_FSX_01.jpg

From the Screenshotartist gallery:

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/skyunlimited/hurricane/SU_Hurri_01.jpg

Aaron_GT
05-06-2007, 08:57 AM
Beautiful screen shots.

I wonder how many FPS I'd be getting with settings that looked like that, though...

HuninMunin
05-06-2007, 09:21 AM
I especialy love your CFS III vids - I wonder what exactly you did to achive such a stunning change?!

Is it something we could do aswell; that might get me to leave IL-2 for a second or two... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TheGozr
05-06-2007, 09:39 AM
Well I made many changes on FM and planes feel the stock aircrafts are laughable. It's not finish much work need to be done. I'll shot more footages soon.

HuninMunin
05-06-2007, 09:43 AM
Sounds like a massive overhaul.
Are you intending to make "your" CFS III accesable to the crowd?
If not; are there any tools one needs to get started with editing planes parameters?

leitmotiv
05-06-2007, 02:58 PM
I'm curious about the notorious "Piper Cub stall" of CFS3---were you able to fix that? To me that was the greatest immersion killer of an otherwise fine sim. Cheers, and great work.

Blood_Splat
05-06-2007, 03:18 PM
I decided not to buy it after Hitler's review.

mbfRoy
05-06-2007, 09:46 PM
I tried the demo and my computer simply couldn't handle it. Had I read about the tweaks before, I would have tried them since I already uninstalled and deleted the whole thing. In any case, the clouds looked wonderful!

leitmotiv
05-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Tried one of those 109s yet, HM?

major_setback
05-07-2007, 04:11 AM
I wonder how much difference DX10 will make. Quite a lot according to this thread showing screenshot comparissons:

screenshots (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nvnews.net/images/screenshots/alan_wake/alan_wake_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php%3Ft%3D33875612&h=518&w=923&sz=183&hl=sv&start=187&um=1&tbnid=4ZBHOtyDMgpLIM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=147&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfsx%2Bscreenshot%26start%3D180%26ndsp %3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26rls%3DGGLC ,GGLC:1970-01,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN)

HuninMunin
05-07-2007, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Tried one of those 109s yet, HM?

Nope, my final exam is this week and I know that trying those NOW means a difference of +/- 3 points of my final mark http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But I will get right back to you once I got em. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Monty_Thrud
05-07-2007, 06:06 AM
WOW!, i must say FSX screenies do look lovely, the scenery and especially the Planes, very nice.

capt_frank
05-07-2007, 06:39 AM
anyone here have the blue screen of **** playing FSX with nv4_disp.dll as the culprit?

i'm running the NGO 97.92's and just love them with IL2 and SHIV, fantastic frames. Just a no-go so far with FSX.

Thanks

leitmotiv
05-07-2007, 08:01 AM
Right, HM, exams first, then Knights Cross!

HuninMunin
05-07-2007, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Right, HM, exams first, then Knights Cross!

QUAD-ROFL

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

leitmotiv
05-07-2007, 03:32 PM
Hals und beinbruch!

HuninMunin
05-07-2007, 03:56 PM
So Gott helfe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TheGozr
05-07-2007, 04:13 PM
Capt you can try others driver nv4_disp.dll to see if that can correct something.

capt_frank
05-07-2007, 04:20 PM
Gozr, thanks for the great idea!

B16Enk
05-07-2007, 05:01 PM
OK going to dust my FSX box off again and re-install.
Those YouTube videos were inspiring Gozr..

A little miffed my account had gone over at your forums, I guess that's the price I pay for not having logged in for a year or too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now where is my Spit add-on...

han freak solo
05-07-2007, 07:25 PM
Looks like easy pickin's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX17.jpg

LStarosta
05-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Only n00bs play with icons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

major_setback
05-07-2007, 07:41 PM
I still have major frame rate problems with any Dgen at all turned on in FSX. With Dgen set to lowest though it looks at least as good as any of the free FB maps we got in the last patch, and frame rates become excellent (around 50) so I won't complain too much.
Panning my view around seems to cause a lot of the problems when Dgen trees etc. are on.
Shame , I wish I could add some trees.

I tried using FSAutoStart, it helps shut down all background processes. Seems to speed things up a bit.

Running at a low in-game rsolution too, while keeping a high desktop res´.


Using:
AMD 64 X2 4600+ dual core (Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo X)
nVidea 7800GTX.
2GB DDR memory.
Creative X-Fi7 soundcard.

I_KG100_Prien
05-08-2007, 05:49 PM
Just re-installed FSX on my machine after the crash I had a week ago. Did a lot of the tweaks that Gozr posts, and I must say.. I can sit and stare at the beauty of the sim for hours.

Took flying around in my Shockwave WOP warbirds to a whole new level. (Just wish the B-17 and B-24 didn't have the bugs that don't allow you to tune the ADF receiver.)

Also great to scream along the deck in the F-14 Tomcat that I downloaded.. With "Highway to the Danger Zone" blaring on winamp http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BillyTheKid_22
05-08-2007, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
Looks like easy pickin's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/FSX17.jpg
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I am LAUGH!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

TX-EcoDragon
05-11-2007, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by major_setback:
I wish I could add some trees.


Did you try the config tweaks to change the scaling of the autogen buildings and trees?

GOZR posted the link which includes our suggested values.

Additionally, there are also links there to reduce the different classes of trees, and roof textures, as well as different cloud textures. Doing all these are a bit time consuming, but they give good results.

major_setback
05-11-2007, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by TX-EcoDragon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
I wish I could add some trees.


Did you try the config tweaks to change the scaling of the autogen buildings and trees?

GOZR posted the link which includes our suggested values.

Additionally, there are also links there to reduce the different classes of trees, and roof textures, as well as different cloud textures. Doing all these are a bit time consuming, but they give good results. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I'll have to try some of those tweaks - The problem is partly that there are far too many trees than are needed in some areas, and especially around airfields in UK, where there wouldn't be so many.
I'm still hoping that the SP1 pack (I thinks it's called ?) will improve things a bit.

TX-EcoDragon
05-18-2007, 11:49 PM
SP1 is out, find info about installation and get a link to it here: http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewforum.php?f=38

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 12:59 AM
Installed. Nice.

I have a weird problem. My control settings keep going back to default. I have to reset them over and over and over again. Anybody else have this trouble? Never had this happen with FS9.

WTE_Ibis
05-19-2007, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
I decided not to buy it after Hitler's review.
---------------------------------------
Luv it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=17301

.

DKoor
05-19-2007, 05:29 AM
Brilliantly posted by Jaws:
http://i8.tinypic.com/6d2lrtj.jpg

What .... ? No OM-190 bar™?

This FSX is a real PoS be sure

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 06:41 AM
Right, the Wings of Power 190s are "the goods."

Bearcat99
05-19-2007, 07:40 AM
Does WOP work in FSX too? Or does it render the AC in the FS9 look? I ordered that along with FSX...

I_KG100_Prien
05-19-2007, 07:52 AM
WOP works with FSX. Planes update to the FSX graphics, and they look beautiful, and are a pleasure to fly around.

major_setback
05-19-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Does WOP work in FSX too? Or does it render the AC in the FS9 look? I ordered that along with FSX...

There are two WoP add-ons!
The first one (Wings of Power) features mainly bombers. The second (WoP WWII Fighters) is much better and you won't be disappointed with the planes, they are very high poly-count planes, but they lack (as far as I know) the reflective skins that FSX allows for - high sheen on the planes.

Both offerings are worth while though. You might have to ask around about the right install for WoP (the original add-on) in FSX. You might have to move some folders to different locations in the main game folder for WoP (original) to work.

It's easily done, so don't get hung up if things don't work from the start.

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 12:35 AM
Bearcat: The most amazing effects on WWII fighters for FSX, which I have seen and have, are the Flight Replicas 109G and 109K sets---they will astonish. You hit the MW50 and they even thrum and hum. The brand new B-17G for FSX from Shockwave looks like a maximum detail model.

http://www.skyunlimited.net/

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/store/b17/

TheGozr
05-20-2007, 12:40 AM
P38
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3LvIPZCjvQA

K4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X9k8hMSsQnU

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 01:10 AM
Don't you just love that 109, Gozr? And, I see you have the fabulous 219 0n FSX---was that your work or Shockwave's? Love that model.

OMK_Hand
05-20-2007, 11:36 AM
The new B17 from Shockwave is indeed very nice.

On another feature of FSX: Went storm chasing today.
Found a building tropical storm here:

http://forecast.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/shadow/tracker/dynamic/main.html

Downloaded real weather in FSX, created a flight from Manila to Tokyo, with a dogleg in the direction of the storm, Fuelled up the B17 and off we went.
Found it too. Very impressive. After a fair start, the weather progressively worsened for a few hundred miles out of Manila, then after a further 100 miles or so of continuous scattered thunder storms this 'thing' loomed from out of the clag, this great towering mass of cloud. I was at 30,000' at the time and it seemed to be on a level. Naturally I descended into it. Freezing temperatures, high winds... Fairly tight on fuel so didn't go deep into it, but turned for Tokyo. I'm impressed. A neat feature, this 'real weather'.

major_setback
05-20-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
P38
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3LvIPZCjvQA

K4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X9k8hMSsQnU

Fantastic! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I really have to try and get one of those TrackIR gadgets.

Stew278
05-20-2007, 12:35 PM
Those p-38 and 109-k4 vids look really good.

So what would you people say is the best WWII era add-on plane for FSX available? The 109's mentioned above?

It looks like alot of the addons are the usual planes P-51, P-47, Spitfire, 109, etc. Are there any with less mainstream planes like F4U, P-39, or Soviet planes that are worthwhile?


I thought the real-time weather feature for FSX only worked for flying around the US?

TheGozr
05-20-2007, 12:55 PM
FSX is the whole planet..

I like very much the Fw's D'9, 11 13 etc..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=svZD_MOfWJ8

Helico
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4dkSclqD-uE

Geebee
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f9WPrpEBv0o

I will make my work available one of this days soon.

BTW: in that P38 note the Gibbage's P38 is the best out there ( the one in the video ) I highly recommend it

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 01:12 PM
I'm partial to the AlphaSim Handley-Page Hampden lately.

You have to get the max rig TrackIR, major, the 6 DOF in FSX is fantastic. You are in the cockpit. FSX is what BOB will be without the boom, and it is a real kick. I don't use FS9 anymore. The thrill is gone!

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 01:57 PM
Here are some FSX screenshots of the one of the incredible Flight Replicas 109G set (note the leather liner in the wheel well), and one of the AlphaSim pre-war Hampden taking off, and three of the wartime Hampden approaching Achmer at sunset.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/DDDDDD.png

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/Picture2.png

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/Picture3.png

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/Picture4.png

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/TTTTT.png

major_setback
05-20-2007, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'm partial to the AlphaSim Handley-Page Hampden lately.

You have to get the max rig TrackIR, major, the 6 DOF in FSX is fantastic. You are in the cockpit. FSX is what BOB will be without the boom, and it is a real kick. I don't use FS9 anymore. The thrill is gone!

I really want it, though I can't help feeling that I spend much too much already on this hobby http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. I might get it after the summer.

Other costs this year will (hopefully) be:
-VFR Real Scenery
-'Flying Tigers'
-KOTS
-SoW:BoB

TheGozr
05-20-2007, 04:13 PM
a nice one here too:

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/images/fsx/Do217.jpg

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/images/fsx/Do217pit.jpg

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 01:19 AM
Have it, love it. They are supposed to be releasing an He 177 soon. Yum.

Love FSX. Spend almost as much time voyeurizing the planes and the planes in the skies and landscapes as I do flying. Reminds me of the early days of IL-2 FB.

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 02:37 AM
Here is a big image of the Hampden, major:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/uuuuuuu.png

John_Wayne_
05-21-2007, 03:42 AM
Well thanks to GOZR's help, I'm starting to get somewhere. Will be a while before I'm fully weaned off of FS9...maybe DX10 will make that big difference. It's showing great potential.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2109-28-47-67.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2109-29-45-34.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2109-30-11-04.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2109-35-38-18.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2109-49-01-68.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2109-59-14-85.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2110-05-58-03.jpg

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 04:39 AM
Yeah, I'm not completely Gozr-ized yet, but I'm so smitten with FSX I hardly use FS9 anymore.

major_setback
05-21-2007, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Here is a big image of the Hampden, major:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/uuuuuuu.png

All I can see is a red X.

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 05:18 AM
OK, everything should be fixed now!

FlatSpinMan
05-21-2007, 07:05 AM
I have nothing to contribute to this thread but just had to say that the title has always really cracked me up - merited or not.

Te_Vigo
05-21-2007, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
MS is reportedly going to make another combat flight simulator

I am not holding my breath

I think we'll find MS will do era specific Add Ons for FSX...
ie A WWII Battle of Brttain/ Nth Africa/ PTO/ Eastern Front type add ons, as well a non linkable (within game to keep the weapons and systems of each era puristic) Korea addon and then all the way up to Iraq era by era. Add on developers hopefully will be involved with MS for each era.
Each Add On should call the game engine into play (instead of loading up FSX then going to an era) there by also keeping the maturity rating intact.

The FSX SP1 patch works wonders for FSX (I haven't read through the entire thread so please forgive any doubling up). On my machine it gave me a 50 - 100% increase on Frame Rates.

tip... turn the clouds down to medium.

Philipscdrw
05-21-2007, 10:39 AM
The microsoft sims strike me as being very good if you're willing to spend hours and hours downloading addons, tweaking settings, and generally spending more time on systems administration than you do on actually flying. FB works straight from the box - since the DVD, the most complex installation routine is to print out some maps - so that's why I'll only be using this sim.

John_Wayne_
05-21-2007, 12:47 PM
w00t! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2118-18-40-46.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2118-19-57-82.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2118-24-18-90.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2119-13-36-56.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2119-14-31-29.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2119-14-39-32.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2119-20-33-21.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2117-10-39-56.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2117-29-51-71.jpg


Thanks again, Gozr.

ploughman
05-21-2007, 12:57 PM
Wow! Those are beautiful screenies, looking forward to getting me some of this FSX. Thanks for posting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 01:05 PM
Yeah, FSX has a way of turning you into an airborne narcissist---you are spending more time looking at yourself flying than you are spending flying. I'm sure Freudians would have a lot to say about this.

John_Wayne_
05-21-2007, 01:11 PM
True http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 01:20 PM
I noticed this last night. I'm so busy working out camera angles I'm not even paying attention to flying---its more like being an aerial cameraman. I think when some boom is thrown into the mix this will stop, heh heh.

TX-EcoDragon
05-21-2007, 01:38 PM
John_Wayne_
Do you happen to know who the maker of that Pitts S2S is?

TheGozr
05-21-2007, 02:39 PM
Eco here one..

http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=14390

John_Wayne_
05-21-2007, 02:48 PM
Here you go, EcoDragon. Made by Mikko Maliniemi, available here:-

http://www.simviation.com/fsxprops6.htm

'bout half way down.

TX-EcoDragon
05-21-2007, 06:02 PM
Thanks guys! I've got a Pitts flight model that needs a Pitts 3D Model (instead of the Christen Eagle)

leitmotiv
05-27-2007, 04:19 PM
Gozr, FSX is really terrific now that I've applied your tips. Here are two more AlphaSim Hampden views (I love this model, it is terrific)---one is of a dive attack on Tower Bridge!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/Picture1.png

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/Picture2-1.png

LStarosta
05-27-2007, 04:28 PM
I may be a weirdo, but my idea of a wet dream is an addon Cessna 150/152 as well as the Carenado GA series.

Kurfurst__
05-27-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
For 109s, HuninMunin, you can't beat Shockwave's E-3/4 and the Flight Replicas' G/K sets for FSX. After using the Flight Replicas G-6, the Maddox G-6/AS is laughable. When I hit boost in the FR 109 I feel like I am in a 109 under full power. It even feels right. Lately it is hard going back to 46. Were it not for the combat---it would have nothing on FSX. And, the airplanes are just absolutely beautiful. I noticed the other day the Flight Replicas 109s have the leather covers inside the rear sides of the wheel wells---what detail! The K's gunsight can be moved out of the way, and you have to switch it on.


Just keep in mind the IL-2 sim originally started out with only the Il-2 and few Russian fighters being flyable... 109s were there for AI only at first. Then they were added to - they being one of the first fighters to be modelled. Their 3D model reflects that, it's aged.

Still, I recall the pure jaw-on-the-floor feeling when I kicked up the G-6/AS for a treetop flight over the Steppe and it's wooden bridges.

That was the first 109 that actually looked like a 109 in any sim. And it's still not bad, despite it's age. It's just an old model, older than most others.

For me, those FSX replica 109s always looked a bit too steril. All grey inside - it's just not right. More textures would have been needed. But they look nice. I don't have FSX but it would worth a try perhaps.

leitmotiv
05-27-2007, 06:11 PM
If you ever tried one in FSX, you would feel queasy about the IL-2 109s. You can't really tell from screenshots. The vibration when you are at full speed with boost is amazing. The sheen of the semi-gloss RLM colors in FSX is so close to real it's amazing. The detail surpasses anything in IL-2 inside and out. There is no comparison (Same for the Shockwave 109E-3/4 for FSX). The handling is much more dodgy than the tamed down IL-2 109G/Ks. They feel like the pilot's descriptions---powerful but compromised compared to earlier marks. Even takeoff is an adventure.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/DDDDDD.png

Old_Canuck
05-27-2007, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
The microsoft sims strike me as being very good if you're willing to spend hours and hours downloading addons, tweaking settings, and generally spending more time on systems administration than you do on actually flying. FB works straight from the box - since the DVD, the most complex installation routine is to print out some maps - so that's why I'll only be using this sim.

Had to laugh when I found this post. Finally gave in and downloaded FSX Service Pack 1 but it wants to setup in my secondary drive ... then it KILLS my secondary drive and says there must be something wrong with the connection or my hardware. Ok -- reboot and voila there's the secondary drive again -- until SP1 attempts to install again. I know there's nothing wrong with my hardware because the secondary drive is a necessary tool for 3D drafting and it just works that's all. So I dutifully tried downloading again and again thinking maybe it was the connection -- even though the connection has not been a problem for years since switching to cable.

I stand with the original title of this thread.

I_KG100_Prien
05-27-2007, 06:52 PM
I didn't have any problems with service pack 1. Installed without a problem, and I didn't even have any issues with 3rd Party Aircraft like others did.

The tweaks that Gozr posted up on his website are great. It's not that the program ran poorly on my two year old computer, quite the contrary.. What I was able to do was increase detail without having to take any hits on FPS.

Love the aircraft, and the plethora of 3rd party planes available is nifty. I just got my hands on the Flight Replicas BF109K, and it is beautiful. Well worth the 20 bucks for the download. The Shockwave Wings of Power add on is fabulous as well, I love tooling around the skies in a B24.

It's by no means a POS program.

DKoor
05-27-2007, 06:57 PM
Someone drop me a PM when they add guns into FSX.

leitmotiv
05-27-2007, 07:10 PM
Well, you can still get on the other guy's tail and say "NOW I'VE GOT YOU, YOU XXXXXXXXXX!!!!!" and screenshot for evidence, or you can go beat up a 777 in your wheezing 109.

That's the rots, Old_Canuck. My fingers are crossed I don't have any of the trouble you've had and major_setback have had. I've had some peculiar glitches, like continually having to reset my control settings, but that's been it.

Old_Canuck
05-27-2007, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, you can still get on the other guy's tail and say "NOW I'VE GOT YOU, YOU XXXXXXXXXX!!!!!" and screenshot for evidence, or you can go beat up a 777 in your wheezing 109.

That's the rots, Old_Canuck. My fingers are crossed I don't have any of the trouble you've had and major_setback have had. I've had some peculiar glitches, like continually having to reset my control settings, but that's been it.

Ok got it now. TY for the kind sentiments leitmotiv. After it killed my secondary drive for the fourth time, I decided not to reboot. Instead I hoped it would go to the C: drive since it can't see the D: drive and that worked. I'll get the D: drive back later after rebooting. Got to admit it looks pretty for a POS but I'm hoping to do more than look at screenies of myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DKoor
05-27-2007, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, you can still get on the other guy's tail and say "NOW I'VE GOT YOU, YOU XXXXXXXXXX!!!!!" and screenshot for evidence, or you can go beat up a 777 in your wheezing 109. I suppose you're right...... if they modeled a mid-air collisions that could be fun.

Old_Canuck
05-27-2007, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, you can still get on the other guy's tail and say "NOW I'VE GOT YOU, YOU XXXXXXXXXX!!!!!" and screenshot for evidence, or you can go beat up a 777 in your wheezing 109.

That's the rots, Old_Canuck. My fingers are crossed I don't have any of the trouble you've had and major_setback have had. I've had some peculiar glitches, like continually having to reset my control settings, but that's been it.

Ok got it now. TY for the kind sentiments leitmotiv. After it killed my secondary drive for the fourth time, I decided not to reboot. Instead I hoped it would go to the C: drive since it can't see the D: drive and that worked. I'll get the D: drive back later after rebooting. Got to admit it looks pretty for a POS but I'm hoping to do more than look at screenies of myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Update: SP1 is a definite move forward -- frame rates are acceptable now and TIR4 works as good as it does in IL2 for the first time on my rig. After Gozr's tweaks and after learning how to make it display properly with triplehead2go it will be the civy sim I'd hoped for. Here's a screenie.

http://www.woodbuddies.com/PF/FSX.jpg

LStarosta
05-27-2007, 08:58 PM
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1528/fsiv0.jpg

ElAurens
05-27-2007, 09:25 PM
So, how's the weapons and damage modeling?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LStarosta
05-27-2007, 09:37 PM
How are your navigation skills? When's the last time you opened a sectional? You get thrown offcourse by a crosswind at night, have 30 minutes fuel left plus reserves and don't know where you are. How do you get down safely? Your airport is barely above minimums with 20kt crosswinds and 30-40kt gusts. Are your ILS skills up to the task? You're planning a cross country trip across a few states. How much fuel do you take? Where can you land and refuel? Do you have alternate airfields picked out along the way in case the weather goes apesh*t or your engine malfunctions? How much payload can you take and how will you distribute it? Can you do weight and balance?

Jeeze, anybody can play an arcade game and pull a trigger. The question is, do you know how to fly an airplane?

MrMojok
05-27-2007, 09:47 PM
Always knew you were an arcade f6 ace, Luke

(J/K)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BillyTheKid_22
05-27-2007, 09:55 PM
P-38J Lightning Flight @ Emmafield FS2004 FS9!!


www.youtube.com/watch?v=msegx3IEVbA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msegx3IEVbA)

leitmotiv
05-28-2007, 12:34 AM
Glad you are finally airborne, Old_Canuck. Definitely the pretty pictures are not the point of the exercise.

Luke nailed it. FS9/X is for the people who are really interested in flying and airplanes. I would rather struggle with full controls and systems and learn how the real article worked than only be concerned with shooting. Would take me a couple lifetimes to nail down all the things I have to learn in the set up I have in just FS9. Another good'un is X PLANE.

ElAurens
05-28-2007, 05:28 PM
Guys, just so you know, I have a copy of FSX sitting on my desktop, awaiting the return of my throttle from CH.

And I have flown second seat in a twin Piper in IFR conditions through a pretty nasty storm, and 0 viz, from Chicago Midway to Toledo Express. I'm no real pilot, but I have flown more than a few times. My pilot that day was a full bird Colonel in the Ohio ANG, with two tours in Vietnam flying F100s. Except for the T-storm, he was comfortable enough with my abilities to let me fly the entire rest of the "mission profile" till we broke out of the ceiling/overcast at 1500 ft on final, at which point I asked him to take over.

He was a great teacher, even though it was a business flight. He told me what to expect, and when, and why it was happening, even down to not being alarmed when the props started slinging ice on the side of the fuselage on descent.

Stew278
05-28-2007, 07:54 PM
Good to see other people had no problems installing SP 1. I tried getting away with patching after removing all the addons, but not reinstalling. That didn't work. So then I do the uninstall and reinstall like MS recommends, but halfway through the reinstall my computer shuts itself down for no apparent reason. When I rebooted the OS was messed up. Dll's from unrelated programs went missing.

Typical MS, "We have a patch to fix a game that many people use easily 100 addons in, but you need to completely delete and reinstall everything for it to work." Most companies seem to be able to make patches that don't require complete reinstalls, it'd have been nice if MS could have. Of course reinstalls are good because it gives FSX another opportunity to phone home so MS can make sure you're using a legit copy.

Imagine what a pain it would have been if you'd had to reinstall every time a new patch came out for IL2.

Therion_Prime
06-04-2007, 03:25 PM
Okinawa Sunrise:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8533/okinawasunrisefk4.jpg

leitmotiv
06-04-2007, 04:21 PM
Yes, a couple of my planes aren't reinstalling right after the Service Pack install---grrrrr!!!!!!

slappedsilly
06-04-2007, 07:22 PM
The world looks really, really big in FSX and the pilots look itty, bitty...LOL!

NAFP_supah
06-04-2007, 10:48 PM
Didn't uninstall anything, slapped the patch over it all. No problem what so ever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
06-04-2007, 11:56 PM
That's what I did originally. SP not supposed to work if done that way. I wonder.

TheGozr
06-07-2007, 02:03 PM
Well getting better and better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
That will be so hard to beat for maddox.

http://www.flightenvironment.com/images/DC3_cld_bkn4.jpg

http://www.flightenvironment.com/article.html

ploughman
06-07-2007, 02:20 PM
WoW! That is good, is that atmosphere dynamic?

leitmotiv
06-07-2007, 02:35 PM
Yeah, you can actually get real time real weather if online. Fly right into a storm in a Bristol Fighter---heh heh.

ploughman
06-07-2007, 02:40 PM
No way, that's beyond amazing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Is there some fellow near Moscow combing through meteorolgical data to give us correct Kanalkampf weather,? I hope so.

ElAurens
06-07-2007, 03:43 PM
Maddox has a guy who has been doing nothing but programming clouds and weather for well over a year, or so a little bird told me.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

leitmotiv
06-07-2007, 04:10 PM
Great. I'm looking forward to smacking into henge in my fighter-bomber 110 while tearing along at nought feet in a moving rain storm...