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luftluuver
12-14-2007, 09:10 AM
http://www.thelocal.se/9398.html

Protests from female soldiers have led to the Swedish military removing the ***** of a heraldic lion depicted on the Nordic Battlegroup's coat of arms.

The armed forces agreed to emasculate the lion after a group of women from the rapid reaction force lodged a complaint to the European Court of Justice, Göteborgs-Posten reports.

"The army lacks knowledge about heraldry. Once upon a time coats of arms containing lions without genitalia were given to those who betrayed the Crown," http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

MEGILE
12-14-2007, 09:12 AM
They should give it a camel toe instead.

leitmotiv
12-14-2007, 09:16 AM
Well, a drooping phallus isn't exactly potent so I think the Nordic Battlegroup is a net winner.

LEBillfish
12-14-2007, 09:31 AM
Rather surprising to one like myself in the west where we believe those from that region much more relaxed/not as uptight......However, they need to also then remove the Lions mane as only male lions have those....Naturally then the Swedish males need to protest the fact that they have to wear a lioness it discriminating against their gender....So in the end I suspect the new emblem will be a unisex earthworm....

Though an earthworm is rather phallic, so naturally the women should protest once more, round and round.....Till they have a non-descript blank patch in a square naturally as round, triangular, or rectangular imply gender once more. *nods*

Problem solved..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

PapaLazarou.LoG
12-14-2007, 09:39 AM
I've never seen such a blatant case of ***** envy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ViktorViktor
12-14-2007, 09:56 AM
Where's all our Swede forum members ?

We demand an explanation !
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Waldo.Pepper
12-14-2007, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
Where's all our Swede forum members ?

We demand an explanation !
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I suspect that they are crossing their legs or circling their waggons (to mix metaphors) in self defence. My image of Swedish Women just underwent a re-write.

F19_Orheim
12-14-2007, 10:42 AM
I can't really explain it, I just think it's a bit waste of energy... but then again not understanding the reason really, makes me unsuited to try to find an explanation... I am just stunned.

If this is the most important topic our newly formed battle group are discussing, then we are in big trouble... I suggest they focus on the basic training, resources, objectives etc etc...

Then again, this COULD be a minor issue that is hugely exagerated in media. I would not be surprised.. I really don't have much respect for massmedia's priorities and choice of "hot topics". The battle group has been discussed a lot in newspapers and TV lately, so I guess they jump on anything to write about.

Viper2005_
12-14-2007, 10:46 AM
So the complainants are happy to do a job which entails a very real risk of being shot at, but they're freaked out by a picture of a naked lion...

This reminds me of the (true?) story of UAVs.

Unmanned Air Vehicle

logical enough one would have thought.

Then, so the story goes, women demanded the right not to be there as well, so we get:

Uninhabited Air Vehicle

This is pretty pointless, since when did anybody ever live in an aeroplane anyway?

I hope that whoever invented political correctness gets to live with the consequences for a long time. Meanwhile I guess we should all buy shares in companies which manufacture grey paint...

Airmail109
12-14-2007, 10:48 AM
Lol so many guys are such emasculated wusses today. And pander to everything women want.

Someone should now lodge a compaint about hairstyles, If women can have theirs long in the army why cant men. So every woman should have her head shaved in the military. Men shouldnt be expected to hang around and help women out if their long hair has meant their gas mask is not properly sealed during a gas attack. They should have to pass every physical exam men do. If they get pregnant in a position of high responisibility they should be court martialled.

And that my friends, is one of the reasons why I piss off spoiled girlfriends within 2 months of going out with them.

Feminists piss me off so badly.

Enthor1
12-14-2007, 11:01 AM
"The armed forces agreed to emasculate the lion after a group of women from the rapid reaction force lodged a complaint to the European Court of Justice, Göteborgs-Posten reports."

WTF is the European Court of Justice and why should a sovereign nation be bound by their decision?

If Sweden were attacked would they need the courts permission to defend?

Airmail109
12-14-2007, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Enthor1:
"The armed forces agreed to emasculate the lion after a group of women from the rapid reaction force lodged a complaint to the European Court of Justice, Göteborgs-Posten reports."

WTF is the European Court of Justice and why should a sovereign nation be bound by their decision?

If Sweden were attacked would they need the courts permission to defend?

Lets lodge complaint against womens hairstyles in the military. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Buzz them alllllll muwhahahahah

If guys would actually band together grow some balls and realize you can argue with women and win, then we wouldnt have these problems.

Stew278
12-14-2007, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Lol so many guys are such emasculated wusses today. And pander to everything women want.


Part of the problem is that if you act like a man instead of a wuss and don't give in to their whining they'll go whining to someone higher up the ladder and get you in trouble. People lose jobs nowadays for not letting hypersensitive divas have their way. Apparently not giving in to every inane complaint constitutes "sexism" or "insensitivity".

ViktorViktor
12-14-2007, 11:36 AM
The Swedish men in turn should demand that the mens' bathroom have the same type of urinals as the women (that is, only toilets - all should have the right to urinate in a sitting position). After that, the men should then demand to share the same bathrooms as those used by the women.

True Equality and non-Discrimination !

DIRTY-MAC
12-14-2007, 12:11 PM
This is really stupid. what a waste of energy...

Blutarski2004
12-14-2007, 12:18 PM
Mixed gender school dorms seemed so cool in the 70's, didn't they ? ..... Little did we know it was the thin edge of the feminist wedge.


Prediction - Combat Day-care in five years.

leitmotiv
12-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Male soldiers should be issued a patch with a lion with phallus rampant, and female soldiers should be issued with a patch with a lioness with teats rampant, thus, everybody is happy.

Blutarski2004
12-14-2007, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Male soldiers should be issued a patch with a lion with phallus rampant, and female soldiers should be issued with a patch with a lioness with teats rampant, thus, everybody is happy.

..... Ah yes: Aureoles Rampant.

leitmotiv
12-14-2007, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Mixed gender school dorms seemed so cool in the 70's, didn't they ? ..... Little did we know it was the thin edge of the feminist wedge.

That was one feminist wedge for which I had no disagreement---I once had about ten naked female streakers take refuge in my dorm room (fortunately, girlfriend absent)---the whole universe was pink jiggling flesh!

Vidar_1
12-14-2007, 12:31 PM
I think you all miss the point which is that the they were offended because the current version did not do justise to Swedish males. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

An emblem depicting Priapus would be closer to the mark. However, my modesty prevents me from delving deeper into the matter and to avoid any envious complaints to the moderators by other less fortunate nationalities I will refrain from posting a link.

PS: The above also explains why all good looking girls choose to settle in Scandinavia.

SlickStick
12-14-2007, 12:36 PM
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9528/leeeeroydd4.png

leitmotiv
12-14-2007, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Vidar_1:
I think you all miss the point which is that the they were offended because the current version did not do justise to Swedish males. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

An emblem depicting Priapus would be closer to the mark. However, my modesty prevents me from delving deeper into the matter and to avoid any envious complaints to the moderators by other less fortunate nationalities I will refrain from posting a link.

PS: The above also explains why all good looking girls choose to settle in Scandinavia.

This is a proposition for which I can vouch.

SeaFireLIV
12-14-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Rather surprising to one like myself in the west where we believe those from that region much more relaxed/not as uptight......However, they need to also then remove the Lions mane as only male lions have those....Naturally then the Swedish males need to protest the fact that they have to wear a lioness it discriminating against their gender....So in the end I suspect the new emblem will be a unisex earthworm....

Though an earthworm is rather phallic, so naturally the women should protest once more, round and round.....Till they have a non-descript blank patch in a square naturally as round, triangular, or rectangular imply gender once more. *nods*

Problem solved..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

A rather good analogy.

It`s pathetic that men allow themselves to be told whether they can depict an age old phallus on a LION or not because some prudes don`t like it. It`s historical and has meaning. I got annoyed when the damn feminists started picking on nude images of females in historical stuff like paintings, now they`re picking on the men??

Bumped into some feminists in my town centre at the weekend rallying against Men`s magazines like MAXIM because it was showing too much female flesh.

When i was finished with those stupid student girls they were left spluttering their indignation that a bloke actually stood up to them and defended his right to like naked women!

Felt good too.

Vidar_1
12-14-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vidar_1:
I think you all miss the point which is that the they were offended because the current version did not do justise to Swedish males. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

An emblem depicting Priapus would be closer to the mark. However, my modesty prevents me from delving deeper into the matter and to avoid any envious complaints to the moderators by other less fortunate nationalities I will refrain from posting a link.

PS: The above also explains why all good looking girls choose to settle in Scandinavia.

This is a proposition for which I can vouch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OTOH I think we should avoid more marketing activities so scratch the emblem. We have had our hands full now (IMG: your inner mental picture) since the Viking ages and any more would just be a burden. We are overworked as it is and my Ombudsman will hear about it if we have to service any more.

leitmotiv
12-14-2007, 01:11 PM
HA!

LEBillfish
12-14-2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Rather surprising to one like myself in the west where we believe those from that region much more relaxed/not as uptight......However, they need to also then remove the Lions mane as only male lions have those....Naturally then the Swedish males need to protest the fact that they have to wear a lioness it discriminating against their gender....So in the end I suspect the new emblem will be a unisex earthworm....

Though an earthworm is rather phallic, so naturally the women should protest once more, round and round.....Till they have a non-descript blank patch in a square naturally as round, triangular, or rectangular imply gender once more. *nods*

Problem solved..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

A rather good analogy.

It`s pathetic that men allow themselves to be told whether they can depict an age old phallus on a LION or not because some prudes don`t like it. It`s historical and has meaning. I got annoyed when the damn feminists started picking on nude images of females in historical stuff like paintings, now they`re picking on the men??

Bumped into some feminists in my town centre at the weekend rallying against Men`s magazines like MAXIM because it was showing too much female flesh.

When i was finished with those stupid student girls they were left spluttering their indignation that a bloke actually stood up to them and defended his right to like naked women!

Felt good too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I just wonder how offended they would become if they saw a real male lion....Nothing offensive about it, simply is how it is. (think this is a good warning signal though Swedish men, best circle your wagons around the bikini team before they send the army after them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

carguy_
12-14-2007, 01:45 PM
Naaaaaah that`s just ***** envy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*****_envy) . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

F16_Neo
12-14-2007, 04:03 PM
I think it should have mane, but no *****. So perfectly representing my countrys current defense status.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-14-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, a drooping phallus isn't exactly potent so I think the Nordic Battlegroup is a net winner.

Maybe they mean the long lions tail?

SeaFireLIV
12-14-2007, 05:51 PM
The thing is most people don`t even notice such details on ancient heraldric shields unless they sit there staring at that little bit all day. You get some sad people, I tell you.

LEBillfish
12-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

Maybe they mean the long lions tail?

Yep...............uh, what tail? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Waldo.Pepper
12-14-2007, 07:34 PM
So that we all know what we are talking about. Here is the offencive image.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/swedish/9398.jpg

It scares me!

WTE_Ibis
12-14-2007, 07:44 PM
Quote:

"The armed forces agreed to emasculate the lion after a group of women from the rapid reaction force lodged a complaint
================================================

I'm pretty sure they meant:

"The armed forces agreed to emasculate the lion after a group of women from the raBid reaction force lodged a complaint. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



.

LEBillfish
12-14-2007, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
So that we all know what we are talking about. Here is the offencive image.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/swedish/9398.jpg

It scares me!


Odd, it does have a tail after all, how could I have missed that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

buzzsaw1939
12-14-2007, 08:03 PM
Is all this about that little horn on his knee? If you look again you can see one on the other knee also! Isn't perception a wonderful thing?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-14-2007, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/swedish/9398.jpg



What the heck is wrong with that? Well, if you ask me, neutering that symbol is like insulting your force to suit poltical correctness.

leitmotiv
12-14-2007, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9528/leeeeroydd4.png

Cat looks like a P-51 fanatic who just discovered the Bf 109G-6/AS can be fitted with an axial MK108....

LEBillfish
12-14-2007, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Is all this about that little horn on his knee? If you look again you can see one on the other knee also! Isn't perception a wonderful thing?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

actually this was it....

http://www.thelocal.se/articleImages/9398-120-80.jpg


However that said, this is a clear conspiracy as note what I found zoomed in....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/SwedB.jpg

That said, my guess is the PC gals intend on eventually evolving the emblem to be like this...........
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/SwedB2.jpg

<weg> anyone seen my broom? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

jadger
12-15-2007, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Mixed gender school dorms seemed so cool in the 70's, didn't they ? ..... Little did we know it was the thin edge of the feminist wedge.

That was one feminist wedge for which I had no disagreement---I once had about ten naked female streakers take refuge in my dorm room (fortunately, girlfriend absent)---the whole universe was pink jiggling flesh! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif
were they hot? any blondes? waht about redheads? did the carpets match the drapes? do go on my friend.

FPSOLKOR
12-15-2007, 12:31 AM
They need a war... Maybe then they will understand that there is no sense in emblems...

LEBillfish
12-15-2007, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
They need a war... Maybe then they will understand that there is no sense in emblems...

So you say yet they didn't remove yours http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

buzzsaw1939
12-15-2007, 01:26 AM
I think I like your reworked one better Leb! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

As for the broom, I was begaining to think I got away with that one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
12-15-2007, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/swedish/9398.jpg



What the heck is wrong with that? Well, if you ask me, neutering that symbol is like insulting your force to suit poltical correctness. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's not the picture above the article the discussion is all about.

This is the lion before: http://www.thelocal.se/articleImages/9398-120-80.jpg

This is the lion after:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_Euro pean_Union.svg/236px-Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_Euro pean_Union.svg.png

Well, if it is a lion at all now...

DuxCorvan
12-15-2007, 03:20 AM
How about some asexual creature, like E.T., Mickey Mouse or Margaret Thatcher?

SeaFireLIV
12-15-2007, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/swedish/9398.jpg



What the heck is wrong with that? Well, if you ask me, neutering that symbol is like insulting your force to suit poltical correctness.[/QUOTE]

No, it's not the picture above the article the discussion is all about.

This is the lion before: http://www.thelocal.se/articleImages/9398-120-80.jpg

This is the lion after:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_Euro pean_Union.svg/236px-Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_Euro pean_Union.svg.png

Well, if it is a lion at all now...[/QUOTE]

Well my point still stands.

Perhaps that`s what the feminists wanted to do all along... turn it into a Lioness, while eradicating the male symbolism, but the people in charge are too stupid to realise they`ve just been duped.

joeap
12-15-2007, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
They need a war... Maybe then they will understand that there is no sense in emblems...

+1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

DuxCorvan
12-15-2007, 03:58 AM
Another suggestion:
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/images/cerne1.jpg

Whirlin_merlin
12-15-2007, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Another suggestion:
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/images/cerne1.jpg

Now that my friend is a quality meat and two veg!

ViktorViktor
12-15-2007, 05:48 AM
And that is supposed to be in reality a message to outer space visitors ?

I wonder what aliens think of human beings if this is the first message they receive from us.

DuxCorvan
12-15-2007, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I wonder what aliens think of human beings if this is the first message they receive from us.

That we are happy to see them? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GIAP.Shura
12-15-2007, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Perhaps that`s what the feminists wanted to do all along... turn it into a Lioness, while eradicating the male symbolism, but the people in charge are too stupid to realise they`ve just been duped.

Not really, the lion just has its member hidden now, no big deal. The symbol doesn't show the lion with teeth either, does that mean we are to assume that it doesn't have any.

More storm in a teacup behaviour from everybody. It was a stupid thing for the women to protest about, a minor thing to change, an insignificant event for the press to report on (except they knew that it would get all sorts raving on about "political correctness gone mad", hence a good seller) and not a very beneficial story to post on an IL-2 forum.

BaronUnderpants
12-15-2007, 06:24 AM
To be perfectly honest, i think the new version looks better. The old one with the di** was buttuggly.

The reason they changed it is however typicall swedish "dont offend anyone...ohh, please dont" mentality.

Dont like it...dont join.

Soon they`ll complain about the uniforms looking dreary and petition for brighter colours or maby a AK-5 in glossy pink? (we cant have depressed females with guns, now can we...the mayhame, oh my god. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)

The accesories list can be endless. Something for the hip designers (whom btw get way more media space than they should over here) to sink thire teeth into. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Not one bit suprised anyways if it is true.


What wouldnt suprise me either on the other hand, is if a woman from the start only asked "cant we change the lion/insignia, its buttuggly and needs to be modernized?" and the media turned into somethingelse. Having a lion with a dî** on your arm may be fine at home but somethingelse if your in Afghanistan for ex.

Media over here turns more and more into tabloid everyday passing....shouldnt put to much stock into anything they say really.

BaronUnderpants
12-15-2007, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
They need a war... Maybe then they will understand that there is no sense in emblems...


Perfectly harmless topic and u just had to throw in a stupid remark, didnt u.


Say that to a marine, a ranger or any armed forces...lets se if they agree with u.


Emblems/insignias/flags play a extremly importan role, symbolic. Always has, war or no war. Dates back hundreds of years, just like the emblem this threadh is about.

Wont go into what soldiers went through in the past not to let the enemy get thire hands on the regemental flag for ex.


BTW. U do know what the Nordic Battle Group is, right?


U do know there have been swedish tropps under UN in countless hotspots during the last 50 years, right? ( Africa, Asia, Balkans ). Just becaus u weare a blue badge saying "UN" doesnt mean people doesnt shoot at u. It does however mean that U cant shoot at everything that moves. Try it why dont u....face people unloading it at u or refuges for ex, and not be allowed to shoot back, unless u wanna be sole responsible for starting an all out war between UN and the "enemy" of the day that is. Try reasoning verbaly with stoned "soldiers" who wanna kill everything in sight. Sounds fun doesnt it.

Good thing they have only badge design to worrie about, right?


Pffff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

mortoma
12-15-2007, 09:00 AM
My mom had an I.Q. of 155 and thought that women should not be allowed in any position of authority whatever. Mostly due to their emotional cycles that move with their physical ones. She oftentimes mentioned how horriffic it could be for a women to be president or premiere and have a finger on the nuclear button at the wrong time of the month. She did not very much subscribe to the modern day women's liberation movement. She was not very politically correct either.

By the way, I wonder if the Swedish women will ask for all the men in the forces to get neutered in real life next!!

horseback
12-15-2007, 09:27 AM
All this furor is intended to conceal the real horror story out of Sweden this month:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/12/13/abba.museum.ap/index.html

Next to this, a castrated heraldic lion is small potatoes.

cheers

horseback

buzzsaw1939
12-15-2007, 09:59 AM
Come on Horseback.... Any group that can come up with a song like "eagle" can't be all that bad, that one still gives me goose bumbs! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

avimimus
12-15-2007, 11:36 AM
From the same site:
http://www.thelocal.se/9404/20071214/

It appears the old "woman question" is far from settled either way...

DuxCorvan
12-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
All this furor is intended to conceal the real horror story out of Sweden this month:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/12/13/abba.museum.ap/index.html

Next to this, a castrated heraldic lion is small potatoes.


"Karaoke-singing of ABBA songs will be part of the experience, organizers said."
http://ferdyonfilms.com/The%20Host%20running.jpg

leitmotiv
12-15-2007, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/swedish/9398.jpg



What the heck is wrong with that? Well, if you ask me, neutering that symbol is like insulting your force to suit poltical correctness. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's not the picture above the article the discussion is all about.

This is the lion before: http://www.thelocal.se/articleImages/9398-120-80.jpg

This is the lion after:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_Euro pean_Union.svg/236px-Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_Euro pean_Union.svg.png

Well, if it is a lion at all now... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, now that IS offensive (although, I would have given the lion something better than a Cub Scout kit). Pains me deeply to look at it. OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

EUNUCH LION. THAT IS PATHETIC.

major_setback
12-15-2007, 12:23 PM
As an outsider living in Sweden, and also as one who's studied anthropology I'd like to comment.

I think that there's been an assumption in these forum answers that offence has been taken because a sexual organ has been depicted. I think that in Sweden it would be the maleness of the lion that would cause more concern. I think that females working in the army might well object to their symbol being a male one.

Also equality (in Sweden) is a two edged sword. It has been fought for and is still being fought for. Employers have a legal duty to see to it that no discrimination, sexual harassment etc. occur in the workplace.

Things like this happen because it is very difficult to put up an argument against them. I doubt if anyone is going to put up much of a fight to save the Lions jewels. It's much easier fo the side that is offended to get listened to. Leadership will always try to be seen as being as equal as possible to both genders (they have a legal obligation to do so).

DuxCorvan
12-15-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by major_setback:
As an outsider living in Sweden, and also as one who's studied anthropology I'd like to comment.

I think that there's been an assumption in these forum answers that offence has been taken because a sexual organ has been depicted. I think that in Sweden it would be the maleness of the lion that would cause more concern. I think that females working in the army might well object to their symbol being a male one.

Also equality (in Sweden) is a two edged sword. It has been fought for and is still being fought for. Employers have a legal duty to see to it that no discrimination, sexual harassment etc. occur in the workplace.

Things like this happen because it is very difficult to put up an argument against them. I doubt if anyone is going to put up much of a fight to save the Lions jewels. It's much easier fo the side that is offended to get listened to. Leadership will always try to be seen as being as equal as possible to both genders (they have a legal obligation to do so).

1) The lion is still a male. It has a male mane.

2) I wouldn't feel discriminated for having a female animal as a heraldic symbol. Normal, balanced women wouldn't, either, feel so disturbed about a male lion being their icon.

All this issue seems quite nitpicky and full of PC ******edness, IMHO. OK, let's do it without the lion, and use a b¡tch instead. It fits better with the new spirit of the new Eurosissy institutions, and the trend to demonize anything masculine.

leitmotiv
12-15-2007, 03:33 PM
Males can have lion with phallus rampant and females can have lioness with teats rampant. Herf.

Jediteo
12-15-2007, 06:39 PM
As a Swede, the sexual harrasment thinge here has gotten a bit out of control. I mean a willie on a griffin, how can that be offensive?

SeaFireLIV
12-15-2007, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
It fits better with the new spirit of the new Eurosissy institutions, and the trend to demonize anything masculine.

Precisely. I`m sick of the demonizing of males and the excuses used for it as if females can do no wrong.

I`m even more disgusted at the men who prostrate themselves slavishly before the feminists in the hope of pleasing their demands. In the end they lose to the feminists and to their own self worth as men.

Airmail109
12-15-2007, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
As an outsider living in Sweden, and also as one who's studied anthropology I'd like to comment.

I think that there's been an assumption in these forum answers that offence has been taken because a sexual organ has been depicted. I think that in Sweden it would be the maleness of the lion that would cause more concern. I think that females working in the army might well object to their symbol being a male one.

Also equality (in Sweden) is a two edged sword. It has been fought for and is still being fought for. Employers have a legal duty to see to it that no discrimination, sexual harassment etc. occur in the workplace.

Things like this happen because it is very difficult to put up an argument against them. I doubt if anyone is going to put up much of a fight to save the Lions jewels. It's much easier fo the side that is offended to get listened to. Leadership will always try to be seen as being as equal as possible to both genders (they have a legal obligation to do so).

1) The lion is still a male. It has a male mane.

2) I wouldn't feel discriminated for having a female animal as a heraldic symbol. Normal, balanced women wouldn't, either, feel so disturbed about a male lion being their icon.

All this issue seems quite nitpicky and full of PC ******edness, IMHO. OK, let's do it without the lion, and use a b¡tch instead. It fits better with the new spirit of the new Eurosissy institutions, and the trend to demonize anything masculine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I feel offended that women dont get their heads shaved in the military. Going by his logic, therefore all womens heads should be shaved in the military.

It's perfectly easy to put up an argument against castrating a lion symbol.

Airmail109
12-15-2007, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
It fits better with the new spirit of the new Eurosissy institutions, and the trend to demonize anything masculine.

Precisely. I`m sick of the demonizing of males and the excuses used for it as if females can do no wrong.

I`m even more disgusted at the men who prostrate themselves slavishly before the feminists in the hope of pleasing their demands. In the end they lose to the feminists and to their own self worth as men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100 percent, lots of my mates have become the above kind of guys.

buzzsaw1939
12-15-2007, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
It fits better with the new spirit of the new Eurosissy institutions, and the trend to demonize anything masculine.

Precisely. I`m sick of the demonizing of males and the excuses used for it as if females can do no wrong.

I`m even more disgusted at the men who prostrate themselves slavishly before the feminists in the hope of pleasing their demands. In the end they lose to the feminists and to their own self worth as men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I also see them as voteing for me without my permission! and I come from a line of rednecks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Metatron_123
12-15-2007, 08:49 PM
To give you a different point of view:

Here in Cyprus most men do 2 years of compulsory military service. You leave school and you go to the army. Your life is on standby for two years while you do your duty. Think England up to the fifties.

And women on the other hand have no such obligation. They finish school and go to college or whatever else they want to do.

So this law 'assumes' that women are not 'fit' for military service. Not very politically correct.

On the other hand it was quite depressing watching all the girls getting on with their lives while you sulk in the barracks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Airmail109
12-15-2007, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Metatron_123:
To give you a different point of view:

Here in Cyprus most men do 2 years of compulsory military service. You leave school and you go to the army. Your life is on standby for two years while you do your duty. Think England up to the fifties.

And women on the other hand have no such obligation. They finish school and go to college or whatever else they want to do.

So this law 'assumes' that women are not 'fit' for military service. Not very politically correct.

On the other hand it was quite depressing watching all the girls getting on with their lives while you sulk in the barracks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Women shouldnt be in first line combat roles. The Israelis found this out, the hard way.

Stew278
12-15-2007, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Precisely. I`m sick of the demonizing of males and the excuses used for it as if females can do no wrong.

I`m even more disgusted at the men who prostrate themselves slavishly before the feminists in the hope of pleasing their demands. In the end they lose to the feminists and to their own self worth as men.

I agree with this. Being sensitive doesn't necessarily mean having to be a doormat. Men should still be allowed to have enough self respect to put their foot down in the face of unreasonable behavior without being declared a callous pig.

And the whole notion that women can do no wrong is getting really old.

It isn't helping the self-esteem any of our boys or young men to hear all the time how they are crude and insensitive and always wrong while the girls get showered with praise. I know I got sick of hearing that tripe when I was in school. It would have been nice if my teachers could have built up the girls self esteem by some method other than man bashing.

I don't think the women responsible for this are really feminists though. Feminism was supposed to be about the equality of the genders. These women are more like misandrists.

Stew278
12-15-2007, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
To give you a different point of view:

Here in Cyprus most men do 2 years of compulsory military service. You leave school and you go to the army. Your life is on standby for two years while you do your duty. Think England up to the fifties.

And women on the other hand have no such obligation. They finish school and go to college or whatever else they want to do.

So this law 'assumes' that women are not 'fit' for military service. Not very politically correct.

On the other hand it was quite depressing watching all the girls getting on with their lives while you sulk in the barracks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Women shouldnt be in first line combat roles. The Israelis found this out, the hard way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then there should be some other requirement for women then to serve their country. If the men are required to dedicate 2 years of their life to their country through military service, perhaps the women should be required to work some civil service job for 2 years. Equal rights should carry with it equal responsibility and duty. Having a 2 year head start would give a pretty good career advantage, not to mention not having to risk life and limb for your country.

Besides if they tried to draft women a lot of them would just deliberately get knocked up to get out of it. No one would send a pregnant woman into combat.

Airmail109
12-15-2007, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Stew278:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
To give you a different point of view:

Here in Cyprus most men do 2 years of compulsory military service. You leave school and you go to the army. Your life is on standby for two years while you do your duty. Think England up to the fifties.

And women on the other hand have no such obligation. They finish school and go to college or whatever else they want to do.

So this law 'assumes' that women are not 'fit' for military service. Not very politically correct.

On the other hand it was quite depressing watching all the girls getting on with their lives while you sulk in the barracks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Women shouldnt be in first line combat roles. The Israelis found this out, the hard way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then there should be some other requirement for women then to serve their country. If the men are required to dedicate 2 years of their life to their country through military service, perhaps the women should be required to work some civil service job for 2 years. Equal rights should carry with it equal responsibility and duty. Having a 2 year head start would give a pretty good career advantage, not to mention not having to risk life and limb for your country.

Besides if they tried to draft women a lot of them would just deliberately get knocked up to get out of it. No one would send a pregnant woman into combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The last bit is precisely why they shouldnt be Fighter Pilots.

Anyway with all this women bashing. So as not to sound like the opposite to a misandrist/feminist. I have to say there are quite a few really great intelligent women about, who take no notice of the stupid gender war. Keep your eye out for them.

Taylortony
12-15-2007, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
The Swedish men in turn should demand that the mens' bathroom have the same type of urinals as the women (that is, only toilets - all should have the right to urinate in a sitting position). After that, the men should then demand to share the same bathrooms as those used by the women.
True Equality and non-Discrimination !

New Build Barrack blocks in the UK military even though built for the Female service personnel still have Urinals installed at build......... Straight up, the reasoning is for future proofing their usage....... Mind you we never had any Pie Heaters in the Male Accomodation....

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/majorsites/cerne_abbass.html

At least in the UK some of our heritage is still in safe hands so to speak, even if dimensionally challenged http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
And I am not been rude, it's etched on a hillside in the UK for the world to see, although this temporary one beside it to advertise the film was a bit to much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ViktorViktor
12-16-2007, 01:24 AM
Has anyone checked to see if the old heraldic lion is anatomically correct ?
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Under normal circumstances, male cats don't have external willies, do they ? Espescially if they are getting ready to wave a sword around.
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I suspect that male lions don't have the same physiogamy as male dogs (or men for that matter). But then again, I don't know much about felines.

Is there a veternarian in the house ?
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EmKen
12-16-2007, 02:52 AM
Representative for women in Nordic Battlegroup go to see the CO.
"Sir, we wondered why we depict animal genitalia on our uniforms, it seems a bit peculiar?"
"Yes", says the CO, "We would like to remove it, but apparently the men would go mad, especially the Marines and Special Forces".
"Well, we'll see you in the Court of Human Justice, then".

DuxCorvan
12-16-2007, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
Under normal circumstances, male cats don't have external willies, do they ? Espescially if they are getting ready to wave a sword around.


Non-castrated male cats HAVE notorious external willies. They are tiny, and in the shape of a hook, but perfectly visible. As for willie 'companions', well... you better see it -look behind them when they walk around with their tails up...

BTW, my 17 year-old non-castrated male cat -living with my parents now- never pi$ses to mark territory, nor uses his long nails in the furniture -he has a home-made wooden box for that- nor is he agressive against us. Those things only happen to non-educated, free roaming male cats, which grow with an alpha-male mindset because their inept owners decided it was better to mutilate an animal than to bother and spend time in taming/educating it.

Because, contrarily to what they may tell you, cats are smart and CAN be educated, only they're never submissive like dogs.

MEGILE
12-16-2007, 04:34 AM
I could not be more apathetic to the situation.

But then I was never one for PC-hysteria.

GIAP.Shura
12-16-2007, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Now I feel offended that women dont get their heads shaved in the military. Going by his logic, therefore all womens heads should be shaved in the military.


The number of times you bring this up, I'm starting to think you have a thing for women with shaved heads. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


The last bit is precisely why they shouldnt be Fighter Pilots.

Why exactly should women not be Fighter Pilots?

Have any of you "Defenders of Masculinity" ever considered that one of the reasons these women might be pursuing an action such as this is because they have exactly the "male" characterstics of aggression and pride that you feel they are demonising?

Frankly, I find it disheartening on a forum relative to military matters that currently serving servicewomen are subjected to generalisations of them as rabid man-hating feminists because of a tabloid article which reveals very little detail of the ins and outs of how this change came about. Perhaps you feel that servicewomen somehow don't deserve the same respect that is accorded to servicemen.

x6BL_Brando
12-16-2007, 05:11 AM
Have any of you "Defenders of Masculinity".............?"

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Come on guys, your reaction is getting embarrassing... are you all in such poor relationships that you need to hack away at such a minor issue?

Ooh! Willies in danger....let's all get together and shout loudly. Lolffs!

It's worth looking at Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_(heraldry)) and noting that no other heraldic lions have this article visible. The Swedish willy is just some bored herald's graffiti maybe? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Airmail109
12-16-2007, 06:53 AM
Well lets say you spend 30+ million pounds training a female fighter pilot. Then she gets pregnant. And has a year out.

What are you going to do? Put her through operational training again when she comes back?

Metatron_123
12-16-2007, 07:10 AM
Then there should be some other requirement for women then to serve their country. If the men are required to dedicate 2 years of their life to their country through military service, perhaps the women should be required to work some civil service job for 2 years. Equal rights should carry with it equal responsibility and duty. Having a 2 year head start would give a pretty good career advantage, not to mention not having to risk life and limb for your country.

I fully agree with this. The civil service idea was being worked on for people supposedly not fit for military service (not for women though)
but somehow it seems to have been forgotten... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As for the subject of cats, indeed they are at least as clever as dogs, but they are much more independent. A cat can live completely on it's own, where as I think you'll notice wild dogs usually team up in packs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

x6BL_Brando
12-16-2007, 07:53 AM
Then there should be some other requirement for women then to serve their country.

I guess you haven't experienced pregnancy, child-birth and the subsequent drudgery of child-rearing? Me, I'd rather do 2 years in the Army or the CS anytime http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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carguy_
12-16-2007, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
BTW, my 17 year-old non-castrated male cat -living with my parents now- never pi$ses to mark territory, nor uses his long nails in the furniture -he has a home-made wooden box for that- nor is he agressive against us.

Yeah mine too, 4 years old non race cat acting like royalty.I like to taunt him from time to time, he takes everything with pride until I get bored http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But humans didn`t eduacte him, his mother did.
Two years ago he crawled into the house after a hard night with his ankle broken.He had to "go to the toilet" but instead doing it right where he layed, he took the 10m walk and did it in his sandbox.A very memorable moment.

For all those guys pretending to be the all knowing cool dudes protecting the idiotic women actions I say to you DOORMATS!

A man has to put his foot down.

GIAP.Shura
12-16-2007, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Well lets say you spend 30+ million pounds training a female fighter pilot. Then she gets pregnant. And has a year out.

What are you going to do? Put her through operational training again when she comes back?

I'll let Jackie Parker, the first woman to be given an F16 assignment, answer that one:


Most women plan their pregnancy around flying. It is not like a cold that they just catch. You won't find many women getting pregnant during their flying tours because they want to fly. Studies have shown that men actually take more time off due to athletic injuries. As far as the rules go, for fighter aircraft, women can't fly and be pregnant because of the forces involved with the ejection seat. In cargo aircraft, they can fly in their second trimester. If they can't fly, then they perform ground duties and still contribute to the unit.

Modern experience has shown that for fighter pilots you want the absolute elite. The USAAF has performed extensive research which has shown that gender has no overall impact on the ability of fighter pilots. If a woman has managed to get through the extensive training and selection program of fighter school, you can be sure that she is in that elite and deserves every chance to fly. To deny your armed forces the best candidate for the job on the basis of a criterium which has no relevance to performance would be foolish to say the least.

When the interview that quote comes from was performed in 1995, this was her resume:

"She was Reese AFB's first T-38 instructor pilot and the first female graduate of the USAF Test Pilot School."..."At age fourteen, she was the youngest student to attend the University of Central Florida and then, at seventeen, the youngest graduate. She took her bachelor's degree in computer science to NASA where she became the agency's youngest space flight controller. She was the Air Force's youngest instructor pilot for the T-38 and for the C-141. Parker has accumulated over 3,000 flying hours in over twenty-five types of aircraft, including the F-16, F-111, F-4, A-7, C-130, C-141, KC-135, T-38, OH-58, and UH-60. After KC-135 Aircraft Commander School at Castle AFB, California, she was assigned to the 4952nd Test Squadron of the 4950th Test Wing at Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio, where she was program manager and test pilot for the T-38 head-up display program. She was also program manager and test pilot for the testing of the C-27. She was elected as outstanding T-38 academic instructor at Reese five times. She received the Air Force Commendation Medal in 1985 and 1988 and the Meritorious Service Medal in 1993."

Is this the sort of person that you think unfit to fly fighters?

leitmotiv
12-16-2007, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Mixed gender school dorms seemed so cool in the 70's, didn't they ? ..... Little did we know it was the thin edge of the feminist wedge.

That was one feminist wedge for which I had no disagreement---I once had about ten naked female streakers take refuge in my dorm room (fortunately, girlfriend absent)---the whole universe was pink jiggling flesh! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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were they hot? any blondes? waht about redheads? did the carpets match the drapes? do go on my friend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I regret the only details I can remember were that the whole universe was pink jiggling flesh, they were hot in every sense, distressed from being chased by ***** boys, and very grateful I took them in (no, not that grateful, dammit), and that my girlfriend did not get off her back for 24 hours after she returned.

BillyTheKid_22
12-16-2007, 09:57 AM
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Swedish Army!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
12-16-2007, 02:01 PM
Okay, Billy-if she wants to cut off the lion's willy, that's fine. But she has to do it herself.

As regards women in the military, it seems to me that if a female is really capable of doing the job, is motivated enough to truly do the job, then she should certainly get the opportunity to compete with males for the job. The reality is that far fewer females than males are both able to do the job AND want to do the job of protecting the rest of society.

That is simply the way the human species is designed/evolved (pick one).

Unfortunately, all too many confused people have the expectation that Equal Opportunity will immediately yield Equal Results. Things don't work that way in Real Life, and everyone except the fully mindwashed Politically Correct should be able to figure that out.

cheers

horseback

EmKen
12-16-2007, 02:16 PM
Well said Horseback,

Seems people are finally figuring it out. It's not about "equal opportunity" it's about "equality of opportunity". The result that is being aimed for is an "equitable" result, not an "equal" result.
This is all us "politically correct" people have asked for.

SeaFireLIV
12-16-2007, 02:48 PM
Hear, hear, horseback. Once again, you say it perfectly and logicaly. It`s a pity that so few can be convinced.

DuxCorvan
12-16-2007, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
Okay, Billy-if she wants to cut off the lion's willy, that's fine. But she has to do it herself.

As regards women in the military, it seems to me that if a female is really capable of doing the job, is motivated enough to truly do the job, then she should certainly get the opportunity to compete with males for the job. The reality is that far fewer females than males are both able to do the job AND want to do the job of protecting the rest of society.

That is simply the way the human species is designed/evolved (pick one).

Unfortunately, all too many confused people have the expectation that Equal Opportunity will immediately yield Equal Results. Things don't work that way in Real Life, and everyone except the fully mindwashed Politically Correct should be able to figure that out.

cheers

horseback

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BillyTheKid_22
12-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
Okay, Billy-if she wants to cut off the lion's willy, that's fine. But she has to do it herself.

As regards women in the military, it seems to me that if a female is really capable of doing the job, is motivated enough to truly do the job, then she should certainly get the opportunity to compete with males for the job. The reality is that far fewer females than males are both able to do the job AND want to do the job of protecting the rest of society.

That is simply the way the human species is designed/evolved (pick one).

Unfortunately, all too many confused people have the expectation that Equal Opportunity will immediately yield Equal Results. Things don't work that way in Real Life, and everyone except the fully mindwashed Politically Correct should be able to figure that out.

cheers

horseback

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DuxCorvan
12-16-2007, 05:31 PM
Billy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BillyTheKid_22
12-16-2007, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Billy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif



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