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Altair661
08-13-2011, 04:06 AM
Hello forums, I've been in these before but had to make a new account :/ anyways. I am huge fan of the AC series. My fav. Beat AC1 seven times, AC2 3 times...and sadly ACB only once. However despite all of that and my theory on subject 16 (he is alive. and he should be altair) this has nothing to do with that. Instead I was wondering about the "shroud of turin"

What exactly is it? Im not exactly sure. I've tried to read up on it on Wikipedia and stuff but im kinda hazy on it. But isn't something that brings immortality or something?? If you could, please bring more light on this subject on what it is.

Now onto my other question. Could this be a POE? *SPOILER* After you beat the Da Vinci Dissaperance, multiple numbers pop up. Both of them unsure, Ezio and Vinci walk away ensuring it's for someone else. It's a temple of course. However the numbers turn out to be coordinates.

43 39' 19"N, 75 27' 42"W

Pop this into google and you get

http://www.google.com/imgres?q...=46&biw=1366&bih=543 (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Turin+NY+Crater&um=1&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4TSNA_enUS356US356&tbm=isch&tbnid=1pttYamb_8bspM:&imgrefurl=http://ladynorthstar.tumblr.com/post/4134034273/youaintgonnalikeit-did-anybody-check-on-google&docid=BfixvtXFviTepM&w=500&h=269&ei=DUlGTvo5iYixAv2zqJII&zoom=1&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=87&tbnw=161&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=109&ty=46&biw=1366&bih=543)

A strange looking crater right within the vicinity of "Turin, New York" Turin? A reference to the "Shroud of Turin?"

Now this is why I believe it to be a POE. If the cooridinates came from a temple, they should be leading to another temple. Makes sense right?

http://www.google.com/imgres?q...=53&biw=1366&bih=543 (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Codex+Map&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1T4TSNA_enUS356US356&tbm=isch&tbnid=6Zrl_FarYOg7JM:&imgrefurl=http://www.map-world.net/codex-wall-map/&docid=UfAJdfJMHfq2MM&w=600&h=450&ei=Ak1GTpK7HeSQsAL-tMCdBg&zoom=1&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=109&tbnw=153&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=94&ty=53&biw=1366&bih=543)

The one Assassins Symbol representing a temple seems to be right in the new york area, most likely, Turin NY.

So put those two together.
A crater in Turin NY
A possible temple in Turin
Could be the "Shroud of Turin"

However since Desmond is currently in his comatose, I doubt we'll see much light shed on any adventures out of the Animus in ACR.
But hey, it's AC. Anythin can happen!

Altair661
08-13-2011, 04:17 AM
So.. i just read up on some of it, saying it heal mortal wounds as well as reanimate some bodies. So could it be used to heal Lucky? Reanimate a dead...Ezio or Altair? The latter was pretty crazy, but when the word comes to mind that what I thought of.

Subject_4
08-13-2011, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Altair661:
So.. i just read up on some of it, saying it heal mortal wounds as well as reanimate some bodies. So could it be used to heal Lucky? Reanimate a dead...Ezio or Altair? The latter was pretty crazy, but when the word comes to mind that what I thought of.

I don't think you can be resurrected if you are totally dead, you would have to be only mostly dead.

Regardless, I firstly want to clarify, that the co-ordinates in New York, do not point to a crater. It is a small lake (or large pond, depending where you live). And at the end of the Da Vinci Disappearance, you will hear voices saying they got the co-ordinates to the temple. So, yes, I think it is pretty safe to say there is a temple there by virtue of the fact that they explicitly say so in the game.

This is also a good place to point out a couple things directly related to these co-ordinates. They are Cartesian co-ordinates, which were not invented until the 18th century by Rene Descartes. The sexigesimal counting system had already existed for thousands of years, but are not known to have been used for a cartographic co-ordinate system in conjunction with longitude and latitude until the 18th century. But this implies two things to me. That Ezio is entirely correct in his belief that this information is not for them. Also, that TWCB have some form of knowledge beyond their time, which I believe manifests itself as omniscience, possibly not quite true omniscience, but with some limitations.

Back to your question,
http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...hroud_of_Turin#Milan (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#Milan) has the recorded history of the shroud, and as you can see, it is tracked pretty well into the 20th century, so I am not sure how it would end up in a temple in NY ca. 2012.

Chances are it is either a different POE, or not a POE at all, but something still important, and somehow related to the Pythagoreans. If you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...m#Natural_philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism#Natural_philosophy) you will see that while it was based around mathematics and was the birth of geometry as we know it, they also had a strong mystical side. So it may be possible that it is a different POE that may somehow relate to their beliefs. You may notice they believed in transmigration of the soul. It could be a POE that works in conjunction with the shroud, or is just peripherally related.

Subject 4

grevemoeskr
08-13-2011, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by Altair661:
So.. i just read up on some of it, saying it heal mortal wounds as well as reanimate some bodies. So could it be used to heal Lucky? Reanimate a dead...Ezio or Altair? The latter was pretty crazy, but when the word comes to mind that what I thought of.

It can heal wounds, but not reanimate life, so if you kill someone, that person can be healed, but if he dies of natural causes, then the shroud can only help for a couple of hours

Jesus had it, and he used it to heal Lazarus, so combing that, I think that if Lucy is dead, then yes she can be healed.

However, Altair probably can't be healed. In the last codex page he talks about he will die soon, and going after Genghis Khan, with his sons. So unless he's killed he probably won't affected by the shroud.

Ezio is the same situation. He is 50 in a world where the life expectancy was 25-40 years, so he probably doesn't have to much time left. And of course after 500 years, even in the best of circumstantese, the body would be looking like a zombie

Altair661
08-13-2011, 05:34 AM
Chances are it is either a different POE, or not a POE at all, but something still important, and somehow related to the Pythagoreans.

While you do make a good point, I undestand what your saying about the other things, apparently somewhere in AC2 (I never saw this myself it was in the AC Wikia) the Templars call it POE#66. And as you said this very well could be a more religious item considering, in AC1 if you got into the conference room, the computer said that the templars had given up on "the grail" and how it wasnt worth their resources. Holy Grail? A very religious item. So yes, you could be right. And 'grevemoeskr' im not insiting it was used to revive Altair or Ezio, but mainly Lucy, because unless they were preserved, your right, they would be all decomposed and zombie like. And we have yet to see if this Shroud can in fact heal and to what amount it heals

Abeonis
08-13-2011, 06:53 AM
The Shroud is a PoE. Multiple games reference it as such, including to of those you've played. I suggest the expert pays a little more attention next time he plays the games

The Shroud, on the Assassin's Creed Wiki. (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shroud)

Altair661
08-13-2011, 09:16 AM
Indeed I will, I wouldnt consider myself an expert either. However I never remembered it actually being referenced in the games. But obviously I am wrong. I will look out for that, thanks!

Stowdace
08-13-2011, 10:47 AM
The Shroud of Eden has shown limited healing properties with side effects to the person it was used on. I believe I've read somewhere that the Shroud of Turin is a fake placed by the Templars to lure people away from the true item.

AntiChrist7
08-13-2011, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Altair661:
Indeed I will, I wouldnt consider myself an expert either. However I never remembered it actually being referenced in the games. But obviously I am wrong. I will look out for that, thanks!

both mentioned in ACII glyphs, and a few chapters in project legacy

NuclearFuss
08-13-2011, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Altair661:
So.. i just read up on some of it, saying it heal mortal wounds as well as reanimate some bodies. So could it be used to heal Lucky? Reanimate a dead...Ezio or Altair? The latter was pretty crazy, but when the word comes to mind that what I thought of.

When did Desmond's dog die? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Altair661
08-14-2011, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by Stowdace:
The Shroud of Eden has shown limited healing properties with side effects to the person it was used on. I believe I've read somewhere that the Shroud of Turin is a fake placed by the Templars to lure people away from the true item.

Im sure about that, cause at one point it was said that a templar went to a auction to buy the shroud during WWII

Subject_4
08-14-2011, 02:08 AM
Indeed, however stowdace has it backwards, sometime before Ezio's time, an assassin stole it but replaced it with a fake to trick the templars.

Subject 4

Altair661
08-14-2011, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
Indeed, however stowdace has it backwards, sometime before Ezio's time, an assassin stole it but replaced it with a fake to trick the templars.

Subject 4

So it is indeed real, as well as a POE. And has to some point the ability to heal. Also I read somewhere that continous use could like give you hallucinations, or tear you out from the inside???http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shroud

LightRey
08-14-2011, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Altair661:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
Indeed, however stowdace has it backwards, sometime before Ezio's time, an assassin stole it but replaced it with a fake to trick the templars.

Subject 4

So it is indeed real, as well as a POE. And has to some point the ability to heal. Also I read somewhere that continous use could like give you hallucinations, or tear you out from the inside???http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shroud </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, it should still have the ability to heal, but the Shroud of Turin is an Assassin forgery.