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ploughman
06-21-2007, 02:02 PM
I was just reading about a Luftwaffe ace called Eder who was shot down 17 times earning his 78 victories. Now I remember Knocke got shot down a few times, once sharing a dingy with a USAAF ace he'd nailed just before his kite got knocked (no pun) out of the sky, but who is has the record for hitting the silk and flying again?

Divine-Wind
06-21-2007, 02:07 PM
Probably me.

scaredycat1
06-21-2007, 02:47 PM
Was shot down once for every 4 kills... i bet bet he started getting nervous after #4.

That sounds interesting, is that from a book, or the net?

berg417448
06-21-2007, 02:51 PM
Heinz Bar was shot down 18 times if I remember it correctly.

ploughman
06-21-2007, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by scaredycat1:
Was shot down once for every 4 kills... i bet bet he started getting nervous after #4.

That sounds interesting, is that from a book, or the net?

It was from the net here (http://members.chello.be/kurt.weygantt/worldwariiaces.index.html_boleslaw_mike_gladych.ht m)

Here he are his stats (http://www.luftwaffe.cz/eder.html).
Shot down 17 times, wounded 14 times, hit the silk 9 times. But then most aces were downed eventually, some of course died, others, especially when their force was on the offensive, went into captivity, others made it back to fight again.

I guess another interesting nuance might be who had the highest score before being shot down?

polak5
06-21-2007, 03:06 PM
interesting topic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif . Id like to also know who got the most kills before being shot down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FPSOLKOR
06-21-2007, 03:09 PM
Otto Kittel?

LStarosta
06-21-2007, 03:20 PM
Funny story about Eder. I suggest you look up the story of Boleslaw Gladych's encounter with Eder. Kind of hits you in the balls in a nice fuzzy way.

Divine-Wind
06-21-2007, 03:31 PM
What if you're shaved? http://209.85.48.9/html/emoticons/blink.gif

Scorpion.233
06-21-2007, 05:20 PM
Hans Ulrich Rudel was shot down 32 times.

crucislancer
06-21-2007, 05:43 PM
The one that always sticks in my mind is Adolf Galland, not for the number of times he was shot down, but for the fact that he was shot down twice in one day. That guy had a big brass pair with Iron Crosses stamped into them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

rnzoli
06-22-2007, 02:07 AM
once sharing a dingy with a USAAF ace he'd nailed just before his kite got knocked (no pun) out of the sky
I would love to know, how they negotiated this deal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Especially that they might have been carrying sidearms (pistols).

Feathered_IV
06-22-2007, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Scorpion.233:
Hans Ulrich Rudel was shot down 32 times.

Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

general_kalle
06-22-2007, 07:07 AM
many of the RAF pilots that bailed over England under BOB were able to continue the fight as soon as their Wounds were healed

K_Freddie
06-22-2007, 07:13 AM
Who's the guy that lost his thumb to a P47, I vaguely remember him saying that he was shot down 26 times, in some doccy.
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FlatSpinMan
06-22-2007, 07:23 AM
Those were some tough SOB's on all sides, weren't they? Interesting too in that they were probably all fairly smart, thinking lads who would be able to understand intellectually how close they had come to death and yet they still landed, shook it off and climbed back in the cockpit. Hats off.
Nowadays someone SEES a road accident and they go into counselling and get a day or two off work.

Divine-Wind
06-22-2007, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Who's the guy that lost his thumb to a P47, I vaguely remember him saying that he was shot down 26 times, in some doccy.
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Oh, I think I know who you're talking about. I seem to remember him in one of those interviews in Janes WWII Fighters. Gah, what's his name!!

Udidtoo
06-22-2007, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Who's the guy that lost his thumb to a P47, I vaguely remember him saying that he was shot down 26 times, in some doccy.
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Oh, I think I know who you're talking about. I seem to remember him in one of those interviews in Janes WWII Fighters. Gah, what's his name!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe your referring to Gunther Rall.

Dtools4fools
06-22-2007, 10:53 AM
rnzoli

Posted Fri June 22 2007 01:07 Hide Post

quote:
once sharing a dingy with a USAAF ace he'd nailed just before his kite got knocked (no pun) out of the sky


I would love to know, how they negotiated this deal Smile
Especially that they might have been carrying sidearms (pistols).

They shot holes into the dingy and both drowned...

Seriously:
I do not know of that digny story and have read Knoke's book. And reread it several times.

There's an incident where he get shot down by a Mustang (I think), his crate is already burning. He got caught napping on the way home. They are down low on the deck. Then suddenly his engine quits altogether due to lcak of fuel. Mustang overshoots him and gets in front. Stang pilot didn't expect him to shoot anymore, but that's what he did...hit the Mustang square. Mustang pulls up, pilot bails out, goes down on chute. Knoke crash lands, to low for bailing out.
Gets somehow out of plane, is unconscious for a while. Then US Pilot stands there, looking at him.
They have a little pilot chat. Mustang pilot can't believe he get shot down by an already burning 109. Find out that they both are aces. They show each other pictures of their wifes and kids, smoke cigarettes.
US pilot is worried about his 'future' but Knoke tells him he will go to a regular POW camp and will be ok.

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ploughman
06-22-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Dtools4fools:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">rnzoli

Posted Fri June 22 2007 01:07 Hide Post

quote:
once sharing a dingy with a USAAF ace he'd nailed just before his kite got knocked (no pun) out of the sky


I would love to know, how they negotiated this deal Smile
Especially that they might have been carrying sidearms (pistols).

They shot holes into the dingy and both drowned...

Seriously:
I do not know of that digny story and have read Knoke's book. And reread it several times.

There's an incident where he get shot down by a Mustang (I think), his crate is already burning. He got caught napping on the way home. They are down low on the deck. Then suddenly his engine quits altogether due to lcak of fuel. Mustang overshoots him and gets in front. Stang pilot didn't expect him to shoot anymore, but that's what he did...hit the Mustang square. Mustang pulls up, pilot bails out, goes down on chute. Knoke crash lands, to low for bailing out.
Gets somehow out of plane, is unconscious for a while. Then US Pilot stands there, looking at him.
They have a little pilot chat. Mustang pilot can't believe he get shot down by an already burning 109. Find out that they both are aces. They show each other pictures of their wifes and kids, smoke cigarettes.
US pilot is worried about his 'future' but Knoke tells him he will go to a regular POW camp and will be ok.

***** </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe that's the story I'm remembering. Except the one I remember is Knocke gets the guy in an overshoot, although he's already kaput, but then gets wailed on by the other 15 planes following him. They end up in the North Sea, the Yank's bailed from a P-47 not a P-51 and Knocke's got a pistol but the Yank's lost his bailing out. The Yank thought Knocke was toast as he'd filled in his plane and it looked wrecked and was astonished to get it in the butt when he sailed by. They get picked up by a German launch. As I recall, the Yank had 13 kills plus a couple of ground jobbies. The book's somewhere else at the moment so I can't refer.

To be honest, it's all a blur, maybe I've just contracted half a years worth of story into one day. Make a great film, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dtools4fools
06-22-2007, 12:13 PM
Yep, more likely a few stories in one. The dinghy part is sure not in Kokes book.

But I remember some story where Wildcat and Zero go down off the beach after duel.
US Boat from beach shore gets first to Jap pilot, but he refuses to go in pointing at US pilot futher out.
So they get US pilot first.
Then on way back US pilot wants to haul in Jap pilot and grabs his extended arm...and in same moment jap pilot pulls gun with other hand ant forehead of US pilots and pull trigger...click...no shot, misfired...jap pilot puts gun on his own head, pulls trigger...click again...misfired...they then get jap pilot in boat and after war the two met again and somehow get along...

Now if we mix this with Knoke's story then we sure have a movie...
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woofiedog
06-23-2007, 12:33 AM
Quote... Now if we mix this with Knoke's story then we sure have a movie...

Ever watch the movie... [edit]Hec In The Pacific? With Lee Marvin ... American Pilot and Toshirô Mifune ... Japanese Captain Tsuruhiko Kuroda. Pretty Good flick.

http://img.search.com/thumb/4/4f/Hell_in_the_Pacific.jpg/175px-Hell_in_the_Pacific.jpg

Roblex
06-23-2007, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dtools4fools:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">rnzoli

Posted Fri June 22 2007 01:07 Hide Post

quote:
once sharing a dingy with a USAAF ace he'd nailed just before his kite got knocked (no pun) out of the sky


I would love to know, how they negotiated this deal Smile
Especially that they might have been carrying sidearms (pistols).

They shot holes into the dingy and both drowned...

Seriously:
I do not know of that digny story and have read Knoke's book. And reread it several times.

There's an incident where he get shot down by a Mustang (I think), his crate is already burning. He got caught napping on the way home. They are down low on the deck. Then suddenly his engine quits altogether due to lcak of fuel. Mustang overshoots him and gets in front. Stang pilot didn't expect him to shoot anymore, but that's what he did...hit the Mustang square. Mustang pulls up, pilot bails out, goes down on chute. Knoke crash lands, to low for bailing out.
Gets somehow out of plane, is unconscious for a while. Then US Pilot stands there, looking at him.
They have a little pilot chat. Mustang pilot can't believe he get shot down by an already burning 109. Find out that they both are aces. They show each other pictures of their wifes and kids, smoke cigarettes.
US pilot is worried about his 'future' but Knoke tells him he will go to a regular POW camp and will be ok.

***** </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe that's the story I'm remembering. Except the one I remember is Knocke gets the guy in an overshoot, although he's already kaput, but then gets wailed on by the other 15 planes following him. They end up in the North Sea, the Yank's bailed from a P-47 not a P-51 and Knocke's got a pistol but the Yank's lost his bailing out. The Yank thought Knocke was toast as he'd filled in his plane and it looked wrecked and was astonished to get it in the butt when he sailed by. They get picked up by a German launch. As I recall, the Yank had 13 kills plus a couple of ground jobbies. The book's somewhere else at the moment so I can't refer.

To be honest, it's all a blur, maybe I've just contracted half a years worth of story into one day. Make a great film, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I remember that story a third way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Knoke has three P47s on his tail. His engine is shot out and he ejects his canopy and starts to climb out when a P47s overshoots. He has one leg in the cockpit and one on the wing but leans back in to give the P47a burst and kills its engine before jumping. From there it pretty much matches Tools4Fools version ie 'They both land in the same field. P47 pilot can't believe he got shot down by an already burning 109. Find out that they both are aces. They show each other pictures of their wifes and kids, smoke cigarettes.
US pilot is worried about his 'future' but Knoke tells him he will go to a regular POW camp and will be ok.'

Any more versions? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Dtools4fools
06-23-2007, 02:43 PM
It's Thunderbolts indeed. 8 of them, just looked it up.
With little fuel on the way home. He plans to bail out but can't as Bolt is still shooting at him. Engine stop, no fuel left; Thunderbolt overshoots as result.
Rest as in my version... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There is another case where he gets shot down and ends up in a dinghy, but alone, no US companion that time.

And yes, I think he gets stuck with his leg once as well, trying to bail out of his 109, but he isn't shooting up any allied planes on that occasion anymore, just happy to get finally out of the crate...
He sure had an adventurous time.
Too adventuroues for me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Woofiedog, is that the one where they are together stranded on an island? And go through various turns of capturing and escaping?
Something in the back of my head but not sure anymore.
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ploughman
06-23-2007, 02:49 PM
There's a Denis Quaid sci-fi remake called Enemy Mine. Never seen Hell in the Pacific though, shame. I love Lee Marvin films. Marvin was a vet, wounded as a Marine on Guadalcanal. Although don't take my word on that, given my Knocke mix up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Dtools4fools
06-23-2007, 03:44 PM
Knoke sure Knocked some allied planes out of the air but his name still is Knoke...or was it Knogge?
Or Knocgke...?

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polak5
06-23-2007, 03:52 PM
Knoke is being persued by 8 thunderbolts, they all open up on him and his wing is in flames. He then spirals to the left into the clouds, then a p-47 gets infront of him and he opens fire, the thunderbolt's tail is in flames. Then he sees the ground he opens his canopy and is ready to bail out, but he dosent becouse thers a thunderbold 100 meters behind him. He is hit again causing a large hole in his plane next to his right leg. Then he runs out of fuel this causes the thunderbolt to overshoot and now Knoke takes aim and scores a hit on his fuselage then the thunderbolt makes a steep climb and the pilot bails.
Knoke now has to little altitude to bail and crash lands. He gets out of the plane and finds himself being strafed by the other 7 p-47's, he ends up taking cover in a ditch and passes out. When he awakes he sees the american pilot that he had shot down standing over him. He tries to sit up and the american pilot sits next to him. They both offer each other cigarettes but both refuse and smoke their own. Then they start talking and everything else is as its been said.

ploughman
06-23-2007, 03:56 PM
So you're absolutely sure there was no dingy?

polak5
06-23-2007, 04:16 PM
yes but on a seperate occasion.

Alikaswat
06-23-2007, 04:22 PM
Ive been shot down some many times at our local night-club I can't keep track anymore.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Dtools4fools
06-23-2007, 04:57 PM
So you're absolutely sure there was no dingy?

No, the Kround crew forgot to put it in his 109. As it was not needed in the Krash landing on solid Kround they got awarded the Solid Iron Kross for saving Kermany a lot of money needed for the war effort...

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Roblex
06-24-2007, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
There's a Denis Quaid sci-fi remake called Enemy Mine.

Enemy Mine is acually based on a SF book called 'Manifest Destiny' by Barry Malzberg(sp?). I will admit that the original book did have a very 'Japan v USA' feel as it is about pilots from two very different cultures being forced to rely on each other for survival. One culture is all brash Gun-Ho and the other is all 'Strict rules of behaviour and respect for ancestors'

ploughman
06-24-2007, 04:23 AM
Interesting.

I particularily enjoyed the dingy scene.

MEGILE
06-24-2007, 04:26 AM
Someone in a 109 in all probability

Fox_3
06-24-2007, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Roblex:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
There's a Denis Quaid sci-fi remake called Enemy Mine.

Enemy Mine is acually based on a SF book called 'Manifest Destiny' by Barry Malzberg(sp?). I will admit that the original book did have a very 'Japan v USA' feel as it is about pilots from two very different cultures being forced to rely on each other for survival. One culture is all brash Gun-Ho and the other is all 'Strict rules of behaviour and respect for ancestors' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Enemy Mine was written by Barry Longyear and first appeared in the September 79 issue of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine.

Later collected in Manifest Destiny by Longyear in 1980.