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sixmillion10
08-20-2007, 10:20 AM
I love to fly the German aircraft like the 109. I am not fearing too well on line though. When I spot some one who do not see me I do ok but as when I meet the red pilots head on of if they see me I loose most engagements against the spit, tempest, P-51 or the P-47....you get the point.
I have read one of the strong points of the 109 is its climb. However when I climb my pursuer still catches me. What am I doing wrong ? What angle should I climb at....straight up, 45 degrees , climbing turn ( left or right ? ) ???.

Please help...
Thanks

cawimmer430
08-20-2007, 10:29 AM
I think you might be climbing with too little speed. Build your speed up first, then climb. I sometimes go into a light shallow dive just to get me into the 300 km/h+ sector, then I pull up lightly and the 109 usually just glides nicely upwards. The 109 also turns pretty well for a German plane, especially under 400 km/h.

If you're playing against AI, it cheats all the time. I've had P-47's keep up with the climb rate of a Me-163B. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

VR_High5
08-20-2007, 11:37 AM
Hi sixmillion,

I am a big fan of the 109 myself. It does climb very well but be carefull with it. Combat has a lot to do with the relative 'energy' states between different aircraft. It is very hard to outclimb an aircraft that allready had much more speed then u at the start of the climb even if you have a good climbing aircraft. If it has a lot more speed it will catch up with you no matter what. Also make sure you have some distance (seperation) between u and the bandit before you start climbing. Don't do it if he/she is right on your six. You will just be an easy target.

Also the later 109's (from the G6 and up) kinda loose their climbing advantage cause some allied fighter get better at it too. (like the spit 8/9, the P39Q, la5). So this manouvere will work less well against those aircraft. I think the K4 might be an exeption. It really has an exeptional climb ratehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I hope this help you a bit. Try and learn about energy fighting to fly the 109 well. It is really not a dogfighter like the Spit or a La. Especially the later models. But this is my personal oppinion. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
08-20-2007, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by sixmillion10:
I love to fly the German aircraft like the 109. I am not fearing too well on line though. When I spot some one who do not see me I do ok but as when I meet the red pilots head on of if they see me I loose most engagements against the spit, tempest, P-51 or the P-47....you get the point.
I have read one of the strong points of the 109 is its climb. However when I climb my pursuer still catches me. What am I doing wrong ? What angle should I climb at....straight up, 45 degrees , climbing turn ( left or right ? ) ???.

Please help...
Thanks

Try this, when you meet opponents head-on instead of reversing your direction right away fly past him, throw the throttle to the firewall and CLIMB! Climb at as good a climb speed as you can possible find for the 109. When your opponents starts getting closer to you after his turn reversal go into a SPIRAL CLIMB using your combat flaps and see if you can get above them. Once above them by a good margin you can either reverse your direction and boom and zoom them or lower your nose and run away if there are to many of them.

By climbing after the merge instead of turning you force your opponent to use a lot of energy doing a tight turn trying to get back to you. You on the other hand will already be building up a lot of "e" over him by climbing. Of course he will eventially start to catch up tp you with this straight climb and that is where you now use the 'SPIRAL CLIMB'" This should be practiced in single player quick missions first btw as all of this advice I give here.

Try the "SPIRAL CLIMB" first in single player all by yourself with no enemy pilots to interupt your practice.

First climb for a while as I said and then shift to the spiral climb. flip on your combat flaps as you do it. The 109 has a feature the other allied planes you mention don't have SLATS"! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif by really practising using those slats with the combat flaps in the tightest spiral climb you can manage and at full power settings just below the over heat of the 109 you should be able to out climb just about anything..P-51's/P-47 and even yes spits! It takes quite a bit of practice to get this climb just right though I warn you. You really have to learn how experiment in use your "rudder" along with your alerions to get the best spiral climb possible to do it.

Do this all in single player agains't various number and skill level enemies and planes ABSOLUTELY FIRST!!!!

Using this technique I am able to handle four P-51' ace pilots insingle player at a time.. Probably more if I wanted to try! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

eventally you should be able to do the same thing but work up to that point first.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

when you can do this well and with quite a bit of confidence go back into on-line play and see it if helps you.

In no combat flight sim that I have ever flown doesn't it work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

I have had EIGHT P-47's hound me in a spiral climb and they have come up with absolutely nothing.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

One more thing REVIEW YOU SPIRAL CLIMB VS ENEMY AIRCRAFT TECHNIQUES IN SINGLE PLAYER USING THE IL-2 VIDEO RECORDER.

This will tell you exactly what you are doing wrong and what you are doing right and give you very important clues on how to beat your enemy..

DKoor
08-20-2007, 03:57 PM
You should lose only vs Spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All others are winnable - even if those are experienced players.

To be honest vs Spitfire you can't do a thing if he dogfights you 1vs1 on equal terms. You can only delay the inevitable for a while.
I've won some engagements in 109 vs Spits, but those were mostly over in less than 20s.........high speed combat opening, I engage airbrake (throttle to 0% and flaps), some inexperienced Spitfires just turn at high speed and they black out - (do not lose energy as well as 109) or they must have a wider circle than normal - and posses great target for one nice deflection.

After that, if you miss - run http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Against all others..........well they may only outdive you or outrun you.
You will outturn them and outclimb them.......

Yes, that all works with 6AS (of later 109s).

Xiolablu3
08-20-2007, 11:55 PM
MAybe you are just flying late war?

The Bf109's ingame in the early war (41,42) are much better planes than the Spitfire V's (Bf109F4/G2)