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neo7333
05-16-2007, 06:40 PM
I have a problem, when I turn (wings go vertical and move joystick towards me) I loose control of the plane and it stalls. I dont understand, I have alot of airspeed.

Am I turning wrong?

stalkervision
05-16-2007, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by neo7333:
I have a problem, when I turn (wings go vertical and move joystick towards me) I loose control of the plane and it stalls. I dont understand, I have alot of airspeed.

Am I turning wrong?

what plane? I bet you forgot to use opposite rudder in the turn? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It sound like a high speed accelerated stall. look it up... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This may help..

http://www.cactus.org/AirWarrior/FlightSchool/FS/Aero/Course3.html

VW-IceFire
05-16-2007, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by neo7333:
I have a problem, when I turn (wings go vertical and move joystick towards me) I loose control of the plane and it stalls. I dont understand, I have alot of airspeed.

Am I turning wrong?
Sounds like your pulling back too hard...your plane goes into an "angle of attack" that is too high for the wings to continue to give you any kind of lift and you stall out. You can stall a plane at any speed ...not necessarily slow. A stall just means that you've lost lift, not necessarily speed.

Be a little more gentle in the turn and you should be able to hold it quite easily. Note that different planes are completely different in how they handle turns. A Zero you can put into a turn and pull back fairly hard without stalling but at high speed you can pull back all the way and you won't turn any faster. A FW190 or a P-51 will stall very easily at low speeds but can do some very quick turns at high speeds...at the expense of speed (lots of it).

Depends what your flying. Even the best of the turn fighters usually require some finesse when turning them. A Spitfire, which is pretty good in a turn, will catch the stall fairly well but if you keep it going it will flip out of the turn.

Akronnick
05-16-2007, 06:57 PM
Stalls have nothing to do with airspeed and everything to do with angle of attack. Simply rolling wings vertical and hauling back on th stick as hard as you can will almost always cause a stall, no matter what plane you're flying.

The key to turning as tight as possible is to learn to skate on that edge where the plane is about to stall, without staling.

Freelancer-1
05-16-2007, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by neo7333:
I have a problem, when I turn (wings go vertical and move joystick towards me) I loose control of the plane and it stalls. I dont understand, I have alot of airspeed.

Am I turning wrong?

Planes don't really like flying sideways for long. Not much lift.

Try not to bank more than forty five degrees in a turn. If you absolutely need to pull a higher banked turn extend your combat flaps and as said above work that rudder.

neo7333
05-16-2007, 07:17 PM
How do you use your rudder when your turning?

Seems to complicated to explain with words?

Freelancer-1
05-16-2007, 07:32 PM
Bank the plane.

Pull back on the stick.

Push the rudder just enough so that the slip/skid indicator is centered.

In most planes this looks like a 'U' shaped tube with a black ball in it. You want to keep that ball at the bottom of the 'U'.

P-63 is a good plane to use for practice as the indicator is sitting directly in your field of view.

The bad news with all this is you really should be trimmed up (flying straight and level when your hands are off the controls) before you start your turn practice.

And that's a whole other kettle of fish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

MrMojok
05-16-2007, 07:53 PM
to turn to the left, roll your plane 45 degrees to the left, pull back on the stick a little, and apply a bit of right rudder.

MrMojok
05-16-2007, 07:55 PM
You can roll a bit more than 45 degrees, pull back on the stick a little harder, but here is where you begin dancing on that line you referred to in your first post.

The guys up above are telling you to experiment and find where this line is, with your particular plane. See how far you can push it before you stall. Also remember lots of times making the hardest turn possible is often not the best idea, depending on the situation.

neo7333
05-16-2007, 09:09 PM
I guess I should trim my plane becasue when i let go of controls my plane turns left

Is trimming a hardware thing you do with your joystick or do you do it while flying in the plane?

Freelancer-1
05-16-2007, 09:16 PM
Neo, what plane are you currently flying?

Btw, you should prolly stick to one type for the first little while until you get the hang of things. So take your time and pick something you like.

MrMojok
05-16-2007, 09:24 PM
Trimming is important. Your plane is rolling to the left when you let go of the stick? If your joystick is properly calibrated, then it's because of the torque. You can use trim to offset some of the torque effect.

There are controls for your trim. The defaults are the arrow keys on the keyboard, I think... you will have to look in your controls section on the main IL-2 screen.

Not all planes have all kinds of trim. The German single-seat fighters have elevator trim, but not rudder and aileron trim. Which is all the more embarassing for me because I spent so much time wondering why the rudder trim on 'my' 109 just didn't work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

neo7333
05-16-2007, 10:04 PM
Currently im working with the spitfire 1944

Ill try to trim it next time i get on


But i was in a singleplayer mission and i was in a japanese plane, and wow do they turn good compared to the spit

stalkervision
05-16-2007, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by MrMojok:
Trimming is important. Your plane is rolling to the left when you let go of the stick? If your joystick is properly calibrated, then it's because of the torque. You can use trim to offset some of the torque effect.

There are controls for your trim. The defaults are the arrow keys on the keyboard, I think... you will have to look in your controls section on the main IL-2 screen.

Not all planes have all kinds of trim. The German single-seat fighters have elevator trim, but not rudder and aileron trim. Which is all the more embarassing for me because I spent so much time wondering why the rudder trim on 'my' 109 just didn't work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Freelancer-1
05-16-2007, 10:30 PM
Had to be a Spit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Rudder and Elevator trim only. A real bugger to trim this one. You need to use your rudder trim to level it out. But it will never run 'hands free'. Just get as close as you can to flying level hands off.(slow wing dip)

Default trim keys are:

Rudder left: Ctrl Z

Rudder Center: Shift Z or Shift X

Rudder Right: X

blakduk
05-16-2007, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by neo7333:
I guess I should trim my plane becasue when i let go of controls my plane turns left

Is trimming a hardware thing you do with your joystick or do you do it while flying in the plane?

Neo- 'Trimming' is what you do in the game while flying to make your plane fly straight and level without the need for you to constantly correct with control input. As the others have stated, not all planes can be trimmed in all axes (some can only trim pitch, some only roll, some only yaw- each aircraft is different)
'Calibration' is what you do to your hardware before you start the game. Depending on your joystick, there will usually be a program that allows you to check the calibration and recalibrate if necessary.
Go to the 'Start'-'Settings'-'Control Panel' and select your game controller. Check the properties and see if your joystick is centred.
My joystick is getting a bit old and my routine now is to check the calibration each time i start up- 50% of the time it is not right these days.