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ImpStarDuece
11-20-2004, 09:15 AM
Check out this, http://www.vectorsite.net/avp512.html , its quite a good read if your into the Pony.

Some interesting points:

1.
The Merlin conversion was very promising, but the director of the Hucknall establishment, Ray Dorey, had an even more ambitious idea. He wanted to mate the Mustang to a Griffon engine, mounted behind the pilot as was the Allison in the Bell P-39 Airacobra. Rolls-Royce engineers believed this aircraft would be capable of a top speed of 800 KPH (500 MPH), but it never progressed beyond the mock-up stage.

500 mph 'stang with a Griffon would be rather nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

2.
A particularly alarming problem, to say the least, was the occasional tendency of the wings to fall off during a high-speed dive. Ironically, Tommy Hitchcock, who had done much to promote the Merlin Mustang, was killed over England in a P-51B in this way in April 1944. These structural failures proved to be due to the tendency of wing ammunition doors or the main landing gear to open under high-gee conditions, producing excessive forces on the wing. These problems were eventually resolved.

Happens to me as well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

3.
NAA engineers devised a 322 liter (85 US gallon) tank that fit between the pilot's seat and the radio. This gave the Mustang the necessary range, solving one problem, if at the expense of creating another. The new fuel tank was added without concern for its effect on the Mustang's center of gravity. With a full fuel load, getting the fighter off the runway was downright dangerous, and the aircraft was only marginally controllable for the first hour or so that it took to drain the tank.

How many people do you see crash a 'stang online while taking off...

4.
Another improvement did much to increase the P-51D's lethality. Once again British engineering made a considerable contribution to the Mustang, this time in the form of the British Ferranti "GGS Mark IID" computing gyro sight, replacing the relatively simple Bell & Howell gunsights used to this time. The Ferranti sight, manufactured under license in the US as the "K-14", allowed the pilot to dial in the target wingspan and target range, and then told the pilot when he had a good shot at the target. The K-14 was regarded as a marvel of technology and greatly increased the pilot's accuracy in deflection shots. Later P-51D production would also feature AN/APS-13 tail warning radar, with rod antennas sprouting from the tailfin, to give warning of attack from the rear.

Will we get a computing sight in any Spitfire variant i wonder...

5.
Like the P-51B, the P-51D was difficult to handle with a full fuselage tank, and it had high stick forces under combat maneuvers. Worst of all, under such maneuvers it gave no warning of stall and could fly abruptly and wildly out of control. It was also difficult to bail out of, since air pressure tended to trap the pilot in his seat, and Mustang pilots had to learn the Luftwaffe trick of turning the aircraft over and falling out. However, the aircraft's virtues were such that these vices were forgiveable, though not forgettable.


6.
Fighter groups of the Fourteenth Air Force in the CBI had been flying P-51Bs but upgraded in part to P-51Ds in 1945. CBI P-51Ds were often field-modified for unusual stores configurations, such as two drop tanks and six 45 kilogram (100 pound) bombs; or four drop tanks; or 45 kilogram bombs and 36 small fragmentation bombs. They were also usually fitted with direction-finding loop antennas ahead of the tailfin for navigation on long missions.

Would love to see a Pacific Variant of the p-51

BlakJakOfSpades
11-20-2004, 05:32 PM
i want that radar.....

WOLFMondo
11-20-2004, 05:39 PM
I want that Griffon version, If the P51H was fast from an overboosted merlin imagine what it would have flown like with a 2000+HP Griffon. Its range might have gone down drasticly though...griffons are thursty.

p1ngu666
11-20-2004, 07:20 PM
they sound nice tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

FatBoyHK
11-21-2004, 01:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I want that Griffon version, If the P51H was fast from an overboosted merlin imagine what it would have flown like with a 2000+HP Griffon. Its range might have gone down drasticly though...griffons are thursty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which fighter has more fuel to spare than a mustang? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

May be Lightning, then the next question is, how about a twin griffons Lighning? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Eagle_361st
11-21-2004, 02:22 AM
How about the P-47N? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FatBoyHK
11-21-2004, 02:25 AM
good, let's have a P47G!

WOLFMondo
11-21-2004, 04:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Which fighter has more fuel to spare than a mustang? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

May be Lightning, then the next question is, how about a twin griffons Lighning? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very true and a double griffon P38 would be funny...imaging those huge engines and 5 bladed props stuck on one.

LeadSpitter_
11-21-2004, 07:18 AM
This is what we need along with 4 hispano version.

http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com/news/October2004/a36.jpg

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
11-21-2004, 07:35 AM
I go for the boosted lightning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

is / was there a late-war lightning with improoved engines ? (Waterinjection or somthing?)

Zyzbot
11-21-2004, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JaBo_HH-BlackSheep:
I go for the boosted lightning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

is / was there a late-war lightning with improoved engines ? (Waterinjection or somthing?) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you mean this?

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p58.htm

WTE_Galway
11-21-2004, 03:27 PM
had not realised the H had such a performance advantage over the D

IL2-chuter
11-21-2004, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
had not realised the H had such a performance advantage over the D <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The "H" was an ENTIRELY new aircraft developed under the concept "knowing what we know now . . .", being about 500 lbs lighter and 50 mph faster. Akin to comparing a Typhoon to a Fury.

I would really like to see the gross weight 2g stick reversal modelled in the game, but . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

. . . next game engine . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JR_Greenhorn
11-21-2004, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
He wanted to mate the Mustang to a Griffon engine, mounted behind the pilot as was the Allison in the Bell P-39 Airacobra. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Of course anything with an engine is a natural cantidate for a bigger engine, but what would remain of the Mustang after hacking in a Griffon like that? The wings and stablizers maybe?

BlitzPig_DDT
11-22-2004, 07:48 AM
How would a rear engine be any better than the fuse tank? Sounds like a bad idea to me....