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BuzzU
10-18-2004, 01:35 PM
If they can't shoot anybody down, all they'll do is crash into you and say "Hey, i'm a kamikaze". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

adlabs6
10-18-2004, 01:42 PM
You can be an uber Kamikaze if you can collide with someone, and they go down and your plane takes no damage! How many times can you kamikaze in one flight? Kamikaze are overmodeled!

Heuristic_ALgor
10-18-2004, 01:57 PM
Dave, Do not feed the CWOS troll please.

BuzzU
10-18-2004, 02:00 PM
Troll?

Heuristic_ALgor
10-18-2004, 02:03 PM
You welcome Dave.

BuzzU
10-18-2004, 02:06 PM
My name is Pete.

Von_Zero
10-18-2004, 02:10 PM
Hi ALgor, long time no seehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
no Buzz, ALgor is not human he is some kind of machine, for him, everyone is Dave http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

R_Mutt
10-18-2004, 02:20 PM
http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/Taz&Hal.jpg

nicolas10
10-18-2004, 03:09 PM
Hi Dave and Dave and Dave and Dave and Dave.

Nic

Good-Taters
10-18-2004, 03:10 PM
Dave's not here, man.

Korolov
10-18-2004, 03:11 PM
I think all the good pilots will fly Japan.

Why?

Because all the rookies will be flying Allied! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

TX-WarHawk
10-18-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Dave, Do not feed the CWOS troll please. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Troll? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You welcome Dave <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> My name is Pete. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOLz

adlabs6
10-18-2004, 03:18 PM
Taz... that's a name I've not seen in ages.

And HAL too.

Chuck_Older
10-18-2004, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Good-Taters:
Dave's not here, man. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This IS Dave, man. Open the door

PBNA-Boosher
10-18-2004, 03:47 PM
I beg to differ. What about the Ki-61? That plane takes lots of skill to fly in combat effectively. It is Japan's, pretty much, ONLY BnZ plane.

Marek_Steele
10-18-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I beg to differ. What about the Ki-61? That plane takes lots of skill to fly in combat effectively. It is Japan's, pretty much, ONLY BnZ plane. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With japan's 109 hopefully we'll get oil on windscreen, lots of bullet holes in the gunsight that will sometimes fall, piā§ā§ stained glass and th 605a overheating in 2 min! Not to mention weak mg151/20! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WUAF_Badsight
10-18-2004, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
I think all the good pilots will fly Japan.

Why?

Because all the rookies will be flying Allied! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

as in FB . . .. . also in PF

KGr.HH-Sunburst
10-18-2004, 04:24 PM
axis is going to have a very hard time because only in 1944 they got a good plane wich is the Ki-84 ,pre 1944 they have nothing with speed ,dive or armor
the Ki-61 is nothing special if its some sort of downgraded 109 with slightly better turn lol

just look at it now with AEP ,the zero is no match for the P-40 in every aspect other than lowspeed sustained turn and it lack the fire power and armor.better yet the P40 only have to sneeze at you and you fall apart

Korolov
10-18-2004, 04:35 PM
It's actually a bit of a toss up, A6M vs P-40. Given good pilots in both planes, it would be one hell of a fight.

BuzzU
10-18-2004, 04:57 PM
How about Zero against Hellcat?

p1ngu666
10-18-2004, 06:29 PM
zero will be much better in pf...
atm its far to slow, plus turn etc is wrong
iirec it can only get better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Marek_Steele
10-18-2004, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
the Ki-61 is nothing special if its some sort of downgraded 109 with slightly better turn lol

just look at it now with AEP ,the zero is no match for the P-40 in every aspect other than lowspeed sustained turn and it lack the fire power and armor.better yet the P40 only have to sneeze at you and you fall apart <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From general descriptions, when it came out it performed on pair with allied craft, only at the end of the war it started to get obsolete (if it might perform like a F4 or a mc202 but turning much better, it should be a serious threat for 42 usa planes), but then, we won't have the ki100, at least for the moment, that had some 1500hp with radial engine.

Aren't the p40's we have now newer C versions? I thought the older p40's looked like hawks, that seems to be present on the sticky, from guess, these might be weaker opponents.

LEBillfish
10-18-2004, 08:11 PM
I'm a really bad pilot here.....and will most deffinately be flying Japanese....


Though why kill one when you can kill five each trip then return for more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Philipscdrw
10-18-2004, 08:12 PM
We have P-40E and M right now in AEP, and get the ones with the guns in silly places like the engine cowling in PF.

And I thought that in climb and turn terms, the Zero outmatched the Allies in the beginning?

Charos
10-18-2004, 08:30 PM
Im a VERY BAD Pilot and will also fly for the Japanese.
I always enjoy flying all the Axis supa planes, no doubt in PF the KI-43 with its superior BnZ and 30mm Cannons will be my Fav Ride.

Hopefully it will make up for my lack of skillz.

Being a really BAD Axis pilot I may accidentally choose a KI-84c in a 1944 Plane set, please feel free to hurl abuse at me as sometimes I forget I should be flying a KI-43a
against corsairs.

I appologise in advance for bumping into your Carrier but our War ministry forgot to produce a plane that will carry a Torpedo.

I did try to be GOOD and join the RED team but the server said it was full so I had to be BAD and fly the Japanese planes.

Philipscdrw
10-18-2004, 08:34 PM
I love those P40vsZero servers on Hyperlobby. I always take the He-111H6 and try to get 3200kg of high explosive to hit a landing plane! Usually someone will try to shoot me down and lose his engine, or I get killed and my plane keeps flying and the gunners shoot down some more people. It's a laugh!

Snow_Wolf_
10-18-2004, 09:27 PM
Sry Buzz you wrong ,if you a good pilot you should be able to handle the planes on both side no matter how the hack they fly like

WUAF_Badsight
10-18-2004, 10:20 PM
KI-61 should be like a slightly better Emil

Zatorski
10-18-2004, 10:29 PM
I'm tired of getting outrun by LA7's while in LW planes, all I want is a plane that is fast, it doesn't have to be able to turn, I don't need to see anything, I don't need to be able to recover from a dive, all I need is to be able to run away and buzz around for a while.

Then I will be content.

LuftLuver
10-18-2004, 11:22 PM
Lookin' good so far Buzz.

http://www.jom.com.au/fish.jpg

LuftLuver
10-18-2004, 11:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
How about Zero against Hellcat? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My money is on this guy:

http://www.njipms.org/Features/Reading2003/HELLCAT.JPG

muHamad-ALi
10-18-2004, 11:43 PM
The hellcat is a hog. the wildcats are obese pigs. no allied plane stands a remote chance against superior japanese engineering and my superior skill because i was a samurai in a previous life.

BANZAi !!!!!!!!

WUAF_Badsight
10-19-2004, 12:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuftLuver:
My money is on this guy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what if "that" guy only had 1200 Hp as well ?

Charos
10-19-2004, 12:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuftLuver:
My money is on this guy:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That Noob is about to Get Vulched

falco_cz
10-19-2004, 01:22 AM
Kamakaze was valid real tactic used by Japan in WWII.What the difference between daffy allied virtual pilot and japanese virtual kamikaze? 1:1 is not too bad score if you are outnumbered, technically declassess or ...outskilled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

nicolas10
10-19-2004, 05:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by falco_cz:
Kamakaze was valid real tactic used by Japan in WWII.What the difference between daffy allied virtual pilot and japanese virtual kamikaze? 1:1 is not too bad score if you are outnumbered, technically declassess or ...outskilled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would think 1-1 is a pretty **** bad result if you are being outnumbered http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nic

DIRTY-MAC
10-19-2004, 05:36 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
axis is going to have a very hard time because only in 1944 they got a good plane wich is the Ki-84 ,pre 1944 they have nothing with speed ,dive or armor
the Ki-61 is nothing special if its some sort of downgraded 109 with slightly better turn lol



Not quite right
Better check again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
for example to start with, Ki-44!

darkhorizon11
10-19-2004, 09:38 AM
I'd have to say Japanese.

I hold Oleg and co. to high standards with this game, just because of the great games they've made prior.

If its done right we'll see how hard-pressed the Japanese were. Although their aircraft held an agility advantage (until the Corsair was introduced) their lack of armor made their aircraft suicide machines. Allied pilots noted that in some cases just one round would incinerate a Zero or Betty since they both lacked self-sealing fuel and any real armor.

Cajun76
10-19-2004, 09:47 AM
Er, are you forgetting the Hellcat? A very capable fighter too. And the Corsair wasn't exactly in slow speed dogfights with Zero's. Thier strength was being fast, good diving and zoom climb, high speed handling, shallow high speed climb, and good roll. A Corsair that's low and slow is being flown incorrectly, and is asking to be peppered with 20mm shells.

LuftLuver
10-19-2004, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muHamad-ALi:
The hellcat is a hog. the wildcats are obese pigs. no allied plane stands a remote chance against superior japanese engineering and my superior skill because i was a samurai in a previous life.

BANZAi !!!!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GoodKn1ght, you are the LIMIT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Yes Badsight, 1200hp in a H-Cat would be bery bad.

Fehler
10-19-2004, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>BuzzU:
All the bad pilots will fly Japan <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See you in a Ki or an A6m then, Buzz... LOL!

NorrisMcWhirter
10-19-2004, 10:19 AM
Hi,

I hate to be pedantic but how are these bad pilots going to get a land mass with an area of 374,744 sq km off the ground?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

KGr.HH-Sunburst
10-19-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:

Not quite right
Better check again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
for example to start with, Ki-44! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i should check what? uhm
where do you see a flyable Ki-44?
in the copy of PF wich i have (a euro with luck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) there is no Ki-44

the Japs only have the Ki-43 (not even capable to shoot down a balloon)
the Ki-61 wich flies like an emil with better turn
the zero wich to slow and fragile

so in the release of PF we only have the Ki-84 wich is late war
so what do we put up against the corsair wildcats and hellcats? in let say
sort of historical servers 1942-1943?

i dont want to sound biased but the axis is waay to underpowerd regarding figters IMO historical or not
but thats why im going to fly axis , i like a challenge and being the underdog

VFA-195 Snacky
10-19-2004, 10:49 AM
There are going to be some shocked PF players the first time they go up against a zero in the Hellcat or Corsair. If you think you can turn fight with these zeros go ahead and try.lol
The Zeros are flimsy and easy pickings for 6x50 cals but get low and slow and your in for a hurtin.

muHamad-ALi
10-19-2004, 11:56 AM
im such a ReBel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BuzzU
10-19-2004, 12:50 PM
Ok, the boats full. Everybody out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LuftLuver
10-19-2004, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muHamad-ALi:
im such a ReBel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BANZAi !!!!!!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GeorgiaPeach39
10-19-2004, 05:30 PM
I myself will try planes on both sides. Im not a fighter jock, buy with me having a soft spot for the good ol Us of A, I'll probably fly the US planes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

OldMan____
10-19-2004, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:

Not quite right
Better check again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
for example to start with, Ki-44! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i should check what? uhm
where do you see a flyable Ki-44?
in the copy of PF wich i have (a euro with luck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) there is no Ki-44

the Japs only have the Ki-43 (not even capable to shoot down a balloon)
the Ki-61 wich flies like an emil with better turn
the zero wich to slow and fragile

so in the release of PF we only have the Ki-84 wich is late war
so what do we put up against the corsair wildcats and hellcats? in let say
sort of historical servers 1942-1943?

i dont want to sound biased but the axis is waay to underpowerd regarding figters IMO historical or not
but thats why im going to fly axis , i like a challenge and being the underdog <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that is why I am going to paint my FW190 with japanese colors !!!

Anyway.. I am not going to fly either american or japanese planes.. will buy PF cause Oleg and team deserves it. LW and VVS are the way to go!!! Forever!!

Ob.Emann
10-19-2004, 07:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:

Not quite right
Better check again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
for example to start with, Ki-44! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i should check what? uhm
where do you see a flyable Ki-44?
in the copy of PF wich i have (a euro with luck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) there is no Ki-44

the Japs only have the Ki-43 (not even capable to shoot down a balloon)
the Ki-61 wich flies like an emil with better turn
the zero wich to slow and fragile

so in the release of PF we only have the Ki-84 wich is late war
so what do we put up against the corsair wildcats and hellcats? in let say
sort of historical servers 1942-1943?

i dont want to sound biased but the axis is waay to underpowerd regarding figters IMO historical or not
but thats why im going to fly axis , i like a challenge and being the underdog <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that is why I am going to paint my FW190 with japanese colors !!!

Anyway.. I am not going to fly either american or japanese planes.. will buy PF cause Oleg and team deserves it. LW and VVS are the way to go!!! Forever!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen brotha! Eastern Front PLAYA'S in da house!

Fo'shizzle!

WUAF_Badsight
10-19-2004, 10:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuftLuver:
Yes Badsight, 1200hp in a H-Cat would be bery bad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i guess the equal statement to that is 2000 Hp in a Zero would be very good : ))

A7M : ))

Bluedog72
10-20-2004, 04:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Good-Taters:
Dave's not here, man. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This IS Dave, man. Open the door <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who???.....Dave? Dave's not here man.

Zen_Fighter
10-20-2004, 05:13 AM
I guess that flying all the available planes is what makes us real flight simmers.
Flying only one side's plane will make you a passioned fighter of a long time ago war...

Personally I'm a simmer ;-)

darkhorizon11
10-23-2004, 03:34 PM
Sorry to bring this back my point was that American aircraft were better generally better built. They didn't have the armor or the reliability that many of the American planes had, especially later int he war when it was obvious Japan was doomed.

The the pilots that fly Japanese and become efficient killers will truly be the best aces if the game reflects these properties.

VW-IceFire
10-23-2004, 05:33 PM
Thats precisely why its entirely satisfying to fly a A6M in a dogfight sever. The first thing everyone tries to do is turn fight with you...which they loose. Even Spitfires...even the La-7's most of the time (depends on speed).

Then you get them. With the Zero you cannot retreat from battle. With the German aircraft, and RAF/USAAF/etc. you generally have a chance to escape by diving away. With the Zero there is no chance...they will overtake you easily. So you stay and fight. Its quite a battle usually.

ElektroFredrik
10-24-2004, 06:36 AM
So, what will Dave fly then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-24-2004, 06:45 AM
Daisy Daisy give me youuuuur aaaaanswer doooo I haaaalffff crrrrraaaazzzyyy allll fooooor the luuuuuuuve offff yooooooo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Atomic_Marten
10-24-2004, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
If they can't shoot anybody down, all they'll do is crash into you and say "Hey, i'm a kamikaze". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is wrong with that? That 'tactic' was historically widely used by Japanese fighter pilots. If you have time to read some books about it you'll be suprised what that guys did in Pacific air war. Especially against B29 American bombers. You know, ramming and stuff. And for something like that to do intentionally, you got to have really big ballz.

But I know you are just kiddin' with us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

BigganD
10-24-2004, 10:31 AM
I dont agree with you BuzzU, all the bad pilots will play allied http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif they are faster better armored and so on. Ki61 is flying with a n DB601AE engine all the way to 1944,so slow, so outclassed.
Zero just turns good but it is slow.
The only good plane is ki84, and k84c best vs bombers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BuzzU
10-24-2004, 11:34 AM
This thread has a longer life than I expected.

Yes, I was kidding.

BM357_Raven
10-24-2004, 07:07 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aztek_Eagle
10-24-2004, 07:52 PM
cant wait to get owned on those japanese planes

IKG26Redcoat
10-25-2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
If they can't shoot anybody down, all they'll do is crash into you and say "Hey, i'm a kamikaze". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This happens anyway!! Ive lost track of the times that, when flying a bomber and being attacked by a fighter, the guy then runs out of ammo and decides to ram instead! Even had one arsehole tell me he was trying to cut the back of my plane off with his prop!!!! and that he'd done it before!!!! These people need to lie down before they hurt themselves, feckless tossers!

WereSnowleopard
10-25-2004, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
If they can't shoot anybody down, all they'll do is crash into you and say "Hey, i'm a kamikaze". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too ugly because of in real life today as some people do that often for different one. Got it?

Regards
Snowleopard

p1ngu666
10-25-2004, 09:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IKG26Redcoat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
If they can't shoot anybody down, all they'll do is crash into you and say "Hey, i'm a kamikaze". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This happens anyway!! Ive lost track of the times that, when flying a bomber and being attacked by a fighter, the guy then runs out of ammo and decides to ram instead! Even had one arsehole tell me he was trying to cut the back of my plane off with his prop!!!! and that he'd done it before!!!! These people need to lie down before they hurt themselves, feckless tossers! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

u was one angry SOB, i was there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
i wasnt btw, the one trying to give a he111 a trim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif