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robban75
04-10-2005, 11:19 AM
Following in the great line of worship threads, I think it's time to salute one the most outstanding planes of the second world war!

The Fw 190!

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-A1-2s.jpg

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-A3-27.jpg

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/FW190-A4-37.jpg

http://www.dongo.hu/images/galeria/39_FW-190D-13a.jpg

http://randalf.cz/sw/ru/img/rusdora_1.jpg

The best propeller driven fighter in the VVS inventory.

JG52Karaya-X
04-10-2005, 11:31 AM
Ah, the Focke Wulff 190... the perfect addition to the Bf109 in the arsenal of the Luftwaffe. These 2 planes really compensate for each others weaknesses!

The Bf109 is the agile and climby close-in dogfighter with excellent high-alt performance (which the 190As lack) and the FW190 is the brutal butcher at low and medium alts with excellent JaBo capability to round up the package

Deedsundone
04-10-2005, 11:43 AM
Call me crazy but the second picture from top got me thinking of J 22

Hristos
04-10-2005, 11:45 AM
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d9black1cw_12.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d9black1cw_20.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d9black1cw_4.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d9black1cw_7.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d932cw_19.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d932cw_23.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d932cw_11.jpg
http://hsfeatures.com/images/fw190d932cw_20.jpg

TAGERT.
04-10-2005, 11:48 AM
Finally were talking about a plane that Carson thought was great.

robban75
04-10-2005, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Deedsundone:
Call me crazy but the second picture from top got me thinking of J 22 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps you're not crazy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://w1.650.telia.com/~u65018578/113-J22-rK-F10-jun-1990LEL.jpg

Hristos
04-10-2005, 12:04 PM
http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/images/fw190d9jv44cw_5.jpg
http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/images/fw190d9jv44cw_17.jpg
http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/images/fw190d9jv44cw_13.jpg

jugent
04-10-2005, 12:09 PM
It would be great to read Olegs unscensored reply to this thread

Hristos
04-10-2005, 12:13 PM
http://www.vectorsite.net/avfw190-1.jpg
http://www.rlm.at/profil/09/fw190_maximowitz.jpg
http://www.johnwallin.net/Fw190/fw190a88.jpg
http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreviews/images/modelerseye4reviewdb_6.jpg

Skalgrim
04-10-2005, 12:13 PM
think too Carson had say airbuse is weak, because american like him, only why all from not american is good.

one fact is, american boing has lose and europe airbuse has won.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Finally were talking about a plane that Carson thought was great. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

jurinko
04-10-2005, 01:59 PM
those models are awesome.

got today 6 planes in A-6 on WC without being scratched. Fw 190 rulezz.

robban75
04-10-2005, 02:28 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/D-13.jpg

Thanks Leadspitter for the wonderful "Yellow 10" skin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

TAGERT.
04-10-2005, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skalgrim:
think too Carson had say airbuse is weak, because american like him, only why all from not american is good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let me guess English is not your 1st lang?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skalgrim:
one fact is, american boing has lose and europe airbuse has won. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fact? Now that is funny!

Atomic_Marten
04-10-2005, 03:31 PM
Robban very nice pics...

Hristos that FW190 artwork is outstanding pic..

TX-Zen
04-10-2005, 04:06 PM
All hail the 190!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

3.JG51_Stecher
04-10-2005, 05:12 PM
Thanks Hristos, I have new wallpaper now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Are there other ones like that?

IVJG51_Swine
04-10-2005, 05:14 PM
SALUTE! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F0_Dark_P
04-10-2005, 05:42 PM
dont have many cool pics but this one is nice

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/FW190-D9-20.jpg

and Robban, tuffa bilder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p1ngu666
04-10-2005, 06:03 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//fish190.jpg

190 lovers see their first 190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

me and teh 190
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//pingu190.jpg

190 cutaway
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666///fw190cut.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu666
04-10-2005, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Following in the great line of worship threads, I think it's time to salute one the most outstanding planes of the second world war!

The Fw 190!

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-A1-2s.jpg

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-A3-27.jpg

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/FW190-A4-37.jpg

http://www.dongo.hu/images/galeria/39_FW-190D-13a.jpg

http://randalf.cz/sw/ru/img/rusdora_1.jpg

The best propeller driven fighter in the VVS inventory. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

todo a thingywhoicantremmberhisname

cute shorts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Hristos!

Good lord that JG3 FW pic is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

I now have a new permanent wallpaper.

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 06:58 PM
Some early Focke-Wulfs:


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-A3-4s.jpg


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-1s.jpg

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/FW190-A3-21.jpg

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:00 PM
One of the first:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0002.jpg

Fehler
04-10-2005, 07:01 PM
Ahh, the butcher bird. What a wonderful masterpiece.

BTW: Carson was right.. compared to the baby plane (Bf109) the 190 was every inch a fighter!

Bet you cant guess what my favorite all time WWII fighter was... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:02 PM
Easy access:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0007.jpg

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:07 PM
The Brits loved the FW190:


http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0021.jpg


http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0022.jpg

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:19 PM
This is a photo recon Focke:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0055.jpg

Here's it's cameras:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0056.jpg

Hunde_3.JG51
04-10-2005, 07:26 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//fish190.jpg

P1ngu666, that is a great pic of the ground crew celebrating yet another FW-190 victory. Sure it is a waste of champagne, but who are we to judge.

Hunde_3.JG51
04-10-2005, 07:30 PM
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/flyian/aircraft/mil/fw190.jpg .

The best, nothing more to say (notice the portly, obese P-47 in the background which it is often wrongly compared to).

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:31 PM
Some of the harsh conditions the Focke-Wulfs had to operate under.

Taxying through mud and snow with a 500 pounder, this FW190 has had it's wheel covers removed to keep them from getting clogged up:

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/22-8-2002-8-54-focke_wulf_fw_190f_würger_getting_ready_in_snowy_ field.jpg

Hunde_3.JG51
04-10-2005, 07:33 PM
To above post:

"Like a bullfrog on waterskies" as they used to say.

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Like sitting in a Formula 1 racer:

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/20-1-2003-9-19-focke_wulf_fw_190_cockpit.jpg

Hunde_3.JG51
04-10-2005, 07:46 PM
A Formula-1 racer with lots 'o guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

http://paperwings.50megs.com/fw190/up.jpg

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:46 PM
Oleg should model these loadouts -

2,200 lb bombload:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0070.jpg

3,960 lb bombload:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0071.jpg

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 07:58 PM
An extreme altitude interceptor:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0110.jpg

SkyChimp
04-10-2005, 08:09 PM
Much like the minnow, the Focke Wulf served as a dietary staple of aircraft higher on the food chain.

http://www.brooksart.com/Oldcrow.jpg
http://www.brooksart.com/Checkertail.jpg
http://www.brooksart.com/swordandshield.jpg
http://www.brooksart.com/TwilightConquest.jpg
http://www.brooksart.com/Morningthunder.jpg

Seriously, though, I think the Fw was an outstanding aircraft, easily my favorite german fighter.

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
I think the Fw was an outstanding aircraft, easily my favorite fighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fixed it for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
04-10-2005, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
Like sitting in a Formula 1 racer:

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/20-1-2003-9-19-focke_wulf_fw_190_cockpit.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

u know little about f1? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
04-10-2005, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//fish190.jpg

P1ngu666, that is a great pic of the ground crew celebrating yet another FW-190 victory. Sure it is a waste of champagne, but who are we to judge. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

its actully a early engine fire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
first used to show fish's love of teh 190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

p1ngu666
04-10-2005, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
This is a photo recon Focke:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0055.jpg

Here's it's cameras:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/periodicals/int_air_power_review/winter_2001_2002/web_gallery/images/fw-190_0056.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cool, camera's in the back?
i like photo recon aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

blakduk
04-10-2005, 08:20 PM
Great plane, ahead of its time in a lot of ways, especially the use of electric motors for control surfaces etc.
Its interesting to note that although the 109 was hard to give up for the aces that knew how to get the best out of her, the 190 was the one that was robust enough to take a rookie into the air and back again (if the poor b*stard managed to survive an encounter with the more trained/experienced allied airforces). And when you see the conditions they were being forced to use in the last months of the war..... tough bird!

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 08:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
cool, camera's in the back?
i like photo recon aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


In the fuselage behind the pilot.

And no, I don't know much about Formula 1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LeadSpitter_
04-10-2005, 08:34 PM
I had to stop in here and say im guilty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 190a8 has been one of my favorite aircraft since a kid. The dora and ta152 I think are the two of the ugliest ac of wwii like the french cr.714 but they are still magnificant performing ac. The dora is not as bad looking as the ta152 for sure.

I was thinking of making a skin of this one next robban.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/fw190d-2.jpg

TX-Gunslinger
04-10-2005, 10:14 PM
S~ MY FAVORITE.

Two of my favorite FW-190 drivers,......

https://webspace.utexas.edu/joem/PrillerandGlunz-progress.jpg

RedNeckerson
04-10-2005, 10:20 PM
HeHe, Pips Priller and Addi Glunz.

Two amazing pilots right there.

Hristos
04-10-2005, 11:22 PM
Addi Glunz was very impressive. He scored bulk of his victories over Western front, and at time when tide was changing. Kept flying and scoring until the end of the war.

The most impressive fact was that he was never shot down or wounded ! Given that he flew 574 combat missions, it is a feat to admire.

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/glunz.html

blakduk
04-10-2005, 11:37 PM
Hristos- anymore info about Addi Glunz? I havent heard of him before.
That's what i like about this forum, lots of info i havent seen before. Guys like Addi are amazing, especially when you consider that allied pilots were rested after 30missions (if not retired) as they were considered to be exhausted. That's why you dont see the awesome tallies the axis pilots managed to amass

blakduk
04-10-2005, 11:38 PM
Sorry Hristos- just spotted the link on your post!

ImpStarDuece
04-11-2005, 12:57 AM
Great work guys, excellent thread. I have found that the 190 jocks are about the most dedicated bunch of guys around when it comes to their favourite ride.

Does anyone still have a link to the 'How to fly the 190' thread of about 6 months ago? I used to have stuff like that bookmarked but had a nasty hard drive crash and pretty much lost everything.

I am a confirmed Jug driver but I really can't seem to get comfortable in the 190. It just feels a little to 'twitchy' to me. Super responsive in pitch and roll, half the time i have overcompensated when leading my target and messed up the solution.

Hristos
04-11-2005, 03:26 AM
Regarding that Fw 190 artwork. It is the aircraft of Willi Maximowitz. More on him here:

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/maximowitz.html

Actually, it is ahistorical, as he never shot down a P51, at least by his record.

Some interesting aces who flew the 190:

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/kittel.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/nowotny.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/wurmheller.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/eder.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/hahn.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/weiss.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/dortenmann.html

tigertalon
04-11-2005, 04:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jurinko:
those models are awesome.

got today 6 planes in A-6 on WC without being scratched. Fw 190 rulezz. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My top one sortie score online was with Fw190A9 (without those horrible 108 mortars http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) some 14 days ago, got 7: 2xB25, 5 fighters (mostly spits).

Got last spit with 13mm only.

When deployed on full real servers (to benefit from exrodinary around-back view, and as a team player, Fw is a killing machine. Can't wait to get MG shells.

All, ty for nice pics. Working right now on 1:32 D9 late model...

Hristos
04-11-2005, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:

All, ty for nice pics. Working right now on 1:32 D9 late model... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, still waiting for it, while working on a 1/32 A-8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TX-Zen
04-11-2005, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Great work guys, excellent thread. I have found that the 190 jocks are about the most dedicated bunch of guys around when it comes to their favourite ride.

Does anyone still have a link to the 'How to fly the 190' thread of about 6 months ago? I used to have stuff like that bookmarked but had a nasty hard drive crash and pretty much lost everything.

I am a confirmed Jug driver but I really can't seem to get comfortable in the 190. It just feels a little to 'twitchy' to me. Super responsive in pitch and roll, half the time i have overcompensated when leading my target and messed up the solution. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&s=400102&a=tpc&f=23110283&m=441100583&r=903107583

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=22810009

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9661024732

These are the ones I still have on hand, I recently upgraded my PC and still haven't found all of my old links.

PraetorHonoris
04-11-2005, 09:32 AM
America€s best fighter:

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/7232/1-1-45.jpg

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/7682/149768887aSJqeO_ph1.jpg

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/135/fw190-0081.jpg

http://img168.echo.cx/img168/495/fw19039gn.jpg

http://img168.echo.cx/img168/5083/fw19079ff.jpg

http://img156.exs.cx/img156/6031/piloten27qx.jpg

geetarman
04-11-2005, 10:08 AM
Great fighter - don't fly it, but respect it mucho.

BuzzU
04-11-2005, 10:40 AM
I've always had a soft spot for the FW190. Great plane.

TX-Gunslinger
04-11-2005, 10:44 AM
Wow!

PraetorHonoris, thanks for posting that color picture of II/JG26 in France. This is probably May-June in the Abbeville-Drucat area. Hauptman Joachim Muencheberg and a very early shot of Wutz Galland. FW-190A2 is the aircraft. This was the summer of the mass Spitfire extinction. JG 26 and JG 2 were 10:1 vic:loss during this period.

I'd never seen it before.

Thanks

Grue_
04-11-2005, 12:19 PM
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190cockpit/images/ControlStick_FW190A8_DM_01.jpg

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190cockpit/images/Ammo_FW190A8_DM_01.jpg

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190cockpit/images/Cons_L_FW190A8_DM_02.jpg

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190cockpit/CockPitMap.html

robban75
04-11-2005, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I was thinking of making a skin of this one next robban.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/fw190d-2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, I believe that is how Yellow 10 looked like when it left the factory.

Nice! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Slickun
04-11-2005, 04:39 PM
Great shot of those A-26's!

Just kidding.

That WAS hilarious, BTW!

harryklein66
04-11-2005, 05:40 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/harryklein/Fw190-6.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
04-11-2005, 08:33 PM
"Does anyone still have a link to the 'How to fly the 190' thread of about 6 months ago? I used to have stuff like that bookmarked but had a nasty hard drive crash and pretty much lost everything."

Here is what I wrote in that thread, I try to keep it updated but I'll review it later to see if anything has changed:

-Full-switch servers benefit the Focke Wulf, the 190 is a great plane to bounce others in because it has good speed, high speed handling, and firepower. The 190 also has great all-around visibility, use this to stalk your opponent.

-Gain altitude whenever you can. Engage with an advantage, disengage if you lose it or get jumped. Split-s works great as climbing will get you shot and other planes will out-turn you. Keep the fight at high speed where your plane handles as good as anyone's, if not better.

-Learn high speed gunnery, it is much different that TnB gunnery. Learn to anticipate more while your opponent is maneuvering rather than following. I recommend setting up a QMB with a couple A-5's against a bunch of Hurricanes. This will teach you about gunnery at high speed against a slower opponent.

-Use rudder corrections alot, it is part of high speed gunnery. If your opponent changes direction at the last moment you can kick your rudder at the last second and get a burst on him. This takes practice but with time it will be done unconsciously and will make you a much better shooter. And after awhile you will not even notice "the bar," I swear.

-Find your opponent first and stalk him. Don't fly straight at him as soon as you see him. Try to determine where he is heading and sneak in on him. Try to imagine what he sees and where his blind spots are. When diving in on him get as low as possible to stay out of sight, but don't sacrifice your speed advantage.

-Use wingman and friendlies, I can't emphasize this enough. The 190 is not a lone wolf plane but is an excellent 4 vs. 4 plane. Often you can simply out-run pursuers and let your buddies pick them off of you. As long as energy is equal or to your advantage, speed and high speed handling will keep you alive. If you don't have advantage, work to at least even it out then disengage.

-Don't use "auto" prop-pitch, use between 80-100% manual. 100% in level flight and climb, 80% in dive (or just ease up on throttle).

-Know other planes strengths, where they are faster and where you are faster. For example, drag a Mustang to the deck or up to 5,000m or so, in between 1,000m and 4,000m (and above 6,500m) he will be stronger. Knowing where planes are stronger takes alot of time and testing, but it is very useful if you want to employ tactics properly, especially if you want to disengage.

-I like to trim the nose down a good bit from start, I fly the 190 at high speed more often than not and I don't need the nose pulling up on me, this can really effect your gunnery if not accounted for, especially flying at 600-700km/h.

-Fire at very close range, don't fire from far off and alert your opponent prematurely during your attack run. In some, more maneuverable planes you want to scare them and force them to maneuver, not in the 190. Be accurate.

-Use high yo-yo's when making high speed attacks at slower opponents. Make your attack, pull up sharply, flip over on your back, look straight up (down at your opponent), wait until he flies beneath you, then dive down on him again.

-When attacking an opponent do not follow unless they are making gentle turns. If you are lining him up and he banks hard, simply break off and climb away. He has now lost energy and you have increased your advantage. Try to force him to evade and bleed energy. Not great for Hollywood movies but very effective at gaining an advantage.

-Always keep in mind that almost every plane will out-turn you in sustained turns, and almost every plane will out-climb you in sustained climbs. Never think you can out-turn someone, unless flying at very high speeds but this is more for defensive than offensive value. Never rely on climb either, with the Dora it is more acceptable.

-If you do try to climb away, do so at higher speeds than in most planes. The 190A likes to climb at around 350 or so km/h, don't climb below that speed. Remember also that above 2,000m your climb will start to fall off even more, though speed will increase. The 190 seems to like it around 1,500m and below, and between 4,500m and 6,000m.

-Head-ons are acceptable in the FW-190A, maybe the only plane in the game where this is the case. You should come out the victor in a head-on attack because of your excellent firepower and engine durability. More importantly your opponent often will be less than willing to go head-on and will take evasive action, so you simply climb up and use his maneuver against him. When going head-on I usually aim slightly high because the bullets/rounds will drop and because I want to force him down or to the side. This is one case where it is good to fire from farther out, don't worry about wasting ammo you have plenty.

-Evasive maneuvers can be very effective at high speed. You should be going fast anyway, but if not dive, jink, and gain speed. Severe maneuvers when an opponent is behind you, even to the point of blackout as long as you are aware of angle the blackout is induced at, can be effective because if he wants to follow chances are he will blackout also. Try to ride the edge and not black-out, this takes experience. If blacked-out make subtle maneuvers because you will often still have minor control of your aircraft.

-FW-190 has more range than say, a 109. Don't take 100% fuel if you don't have too. On most online maps 50% is enough.

-I prefer to set convergence for cannons at 500m, the rounds/bullets leave your aircraft at a much flatter angle than say at 200m, keeping them more level in your gunsight and making deflection shooting easier. At 200m your rounds actually leave the aircraft at a slight downward angle, you don't need four cannons to hit in the same spot anyway. 500m also gives you a bigger hitbox, or more "spread."

-Look for the 109's. Focke Wulfs and 109's compliment each-other well. These two planes have different fighting styles and strengths and combining the two can only make both of you more effective.

-Don't fly around at 110% throttle when stalking for opponents. Again, no need for unnecessary heat. 100% throttle with WEP and radiator closed allows for very high cruise speed in danger areas without overheat except in extended climbs. Otherwise back it down a little but not too much, you need to stay fast, always.

Hunde_3.JG51
04-11-2005, 08:34 PM
More:

The only thing I would add is that when I see tracers I immediately apply full negative elevator (fully press forward on the stick). The 190 has good elevator response and this is usually enough to throw off your attackers aim long enough for you to perform your half-roll and dive. I like to very gently turn/jink during my dives just in case he is following close. The dive followed by a reversal (another half-roll and pull-out) is effective. Your only concern with this maneuver is that you have sufficient altitude and that you don't perform your reversal so late as to build speed past your critical limit.

Another maneuver that can be effective when you don't have as much altitude and speed but have clouds nearby is a steep diving, fairly tight corkscrew. It is extremely difficult for anyone to hit you when performing this maneuver but you have to be careful with the stick. Again, this is effective when clouds are nearby, when you pull out of the corkscrew you may be vulnerable but the idea is to finish the maneuver in a cloud or very close to one.

Also, if you have a plane that you cannot shake that handles as well as yours at most speeds (P-51, P-47, etc), even after you performed other maneuvers, you can try a harsh, desperate maneuver that induces blackout. Just remember that even when blacked out you often still have minor control on your plane so don't just sit there, use gentle inputs on the stick to keep from being a static target. Also, be very aware of the angle that you induce blackout and where this will lead, you don't want to blackout when descending at anything but the slightest of angle. This is dangerous and you need alot of speed but if someone is stuck to you then it might be enough to save you or buy you time as they simply cannot follow without blacking out themselves. It sounds desperate, and it is, but it should not be ignored as this has saved me numerous times.

From another post I made awhile back:

As for diving in on opponent I prefer a fast, fairly sharp dive to a point slightly above and directly behind my opponent, from there I use a shallow dive to attack point. I dive sharply at the beginning so I can get down and out of sight. If you use a shallow dive and remain high above him you will likely be spotted.

As for convergence I am one of the few that uses 500m in all 190's and 109's except for the 109E (I use 200m). This keeps your bullets/rounds much more level in the gunsight, they don't drop as quickly. The 190 has enough cannons that you don't need for them to hit all in the same spot. In the 109 it only effects vertical trajectory. I find deflection shooting easier at 500m because as I said the bullets/rounds are fired at a more level trajectory. In planes like the 109E, P-40, P-51, etc I set convergence at 200m because the concentrated firepower is needed more. I usually start shooting at 250m or under.


Just wanted to clarify that diving sharply and then going into shallow dive is only used on unsuspecting opponents. Any time you are engaged with someone using slashing attacks you must "guess" where they will be, exactly as you said. Trying to get directly behind your opponent could cause you to take some very bad angles and lose precious energy. Also, another reason for using shallower dive at the end is that you will arrive at a slightly slower speed but at a better position, and this can help keep the 109's elevator from stiffening up as much if you need to make last minute corrections.

It is best to shoot then climb/extend away. Don't follow him into turns unless they are very gentle. P-47 pilots often adhered to the rule that any turn greater than 90 degrees was unacceptable, and this holds true for the 190 as well IMO. I find a straight zoom climb followed by a Hammerhead preferable to a gentle combat/climbing turn unless there are others about who you do not hold a significant energy advantage over. In this case a longer extension/climb followed by a combat turn is probably your best bet.

For the reasons I mentioned above it is easy to see why the 190 is an excellent plane to use when you have a wingman or wingmen, but it is not the best 1 vs. 1 plane unless you have a decent altitude/energy advantage. The utilization of the hammerhead can be useful in low combatant encounters as well. If all else fails the 190 has excellent escapability with its great high speed handling, roll-rate, and speed at sea-level. If jumped by an opponent with a severe advantage a split-s into a dive works well as he will bleed his energy turning around (or require a much larger area/radius to perform his split-s), and if he is stuck to your 6 o'clock a split-s, into a jinking high speed dive, followed by another split-s (or variations of it) can be helpful in eliminating his advantage and supplying you with the needed space to simply out-run your opponent. Never simply fly straight in these maneuvers, keep moving but do it gently so you do not bleed speed while performing them but rather you build it. Don't be predictable. If someone is behind you, the last thing you want to do is climb (presenting an easy target), and most planes will out-turn you, so your best bet is to dive/split-s and build speed quickly where you can use your high speed handling, roll-rate, and level speed to your advantage.

More:

In short the FW-190D is a better 1 vs. 1 fighter and allows for better "e" fighting due to its better speed, acceleration, and climb. Still, the FW-190A-9 is the best aircraft on full real servers IMO. It lets you hit, kill, and move on, increasing situational awareness. When I see a P-47 when I am in a Dora I cringe because I know it will take me awhile to finish him off and in the process making myself more vulnerable as I lose altitude and maneuver to kill him. The A-9 usually only needs one opening and spends less time focusing on his opponent. Also, the A-9 absorbs damage better then the Ta-152 and FW-190D, and it is a slightly smaller target. The A-9 is also more versatile, it is fast and is modeled with a bomb-rack. Therefore you can load up a 1,100.lb bomb, drop it, and have the same performance as if you never carried one. No other plane can be an effective ground attack plane with the speed to escape almost any plane, act as an extremely effective attack/bomber interceptor, and hold its own as a fighter in one package with a single load-out IMHO.

Against Spitfires, Yaks, Laggs, P-39's, etc., simply use hit and run tactics below 7,000m and you are almost invulnerable. They are simply too slow to catch, you have a good speed advantage below 7,000m (or more). Often they will become impatient and break off, then I am the hunter. I often stay at the fringe of a fight or at the edge of my spotted opponents visual radius while gaining the needed altitude advantage. Then I attack. Do not get slow or use sustained climbs when Spitfires are in the area.

Against La-7, you must stay high. Below 3,500m he is faster, turns better, climbs better, and retains energy better. You can lose an La-7 with a high speed dive and reversal if you ride to your plane's limit. Above 3,500m you have slight speed advantage and climb is more similar. At about 6,000+m speed evens out again. Do whatever it takes to get above your opponent and kill him, use teammates when La-7's are around.

Against P-51 you are faster up to about 1,000m and between 5,000 and 6,500m (using 100% prop-pitch). Do not stay at 2,000-4,000m with Mustang, his performance advantage is huge. Again proper setup is the key, find him first and get higher, don't engage otherwise. If in trouble get down low and leave him. Use escape methods mentioned above if in trouble, if you have the advantage it should just be a matter of avoiding the pieces . Also, if you get bounced by a Mustang at high speeds, sometimes it is best to simply turn into him after avoiding his first attack if he extends horizontally. Because you are slower, you can turn inside him and force a head-on. If he adda a vertical component as he should, then you can turn to face him, dip the nose down some so you have the needed energy and pull up into him at the critical moment. This takes some experience to pull of properly but it ia good way to make P-51's avoid head-ons and equal energy advantage. I say this vs. P-51 because it is one of the hardest to shake if he gets on your tail.

Hope this helps, there was more but I lost it. Sorry if anything is broken or it doesn't flow well as I put pieces together quickly.

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-12-2005, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
-Look for the 109's. Focke Wulfs and 109's compliment each-other well. These two planes have different fighting styles and strengths and combining the two can only make both of you more effective.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And right there, you have hit the nail on the head. If you have two planes with considerably different fighting styles, you can keep opposing planes completely off-balance, because they won't know where to expect the next attack!!!! Will it be from a 109 turning onto their tail or a 190 diving head-on from the sun? And in avoiding one attack are they then setting themselves up to be attacked by someone else using completely different tactics?

Teamwork, people!

Plebanos
04-12-2005, 12:37 PM
hi.

i fly the FW quite a lot. i have a feeling that this birds comes to life above 300-350 km/h, then it starts moving fast and agile. and, above 500-550 it stays the same responsive, very cool. at 600 you can dive and possess very good elevator effectiveness, very surprising. under no circumstances will i ever enter an area where there ar planes without at least 1000-1500 m altitude advantage. then dive on them, speed must be at least 550 if not 600, or more. then you can Id planes, zoom away and climb, come back on them and then boom....

do you agree?

Bremspropeller
04-12-2005, 12:41 PM
A pilot's aircraft - anything left to add ?

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-12-2005, 12:49 PM
The 190 is built like a god****ed bungalow, it can dive at speeds that would tear the wings from a 109 and can withstand almost ludicrous amounts of battle-damage

Plebanos
04-12-2005, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SnapdLikeAMutha:
The 190 is built like a god****ed bungalow, it can dive at speeds that would tear the wings from a 109 and can withstand almost ludicrous amounts of battle-damage <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you are just kidding. one single 12.7 hit, and you lose at least 100 km/h speed. this plane has the weirdest damage model of all planes.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-12-2005, 02:12 PM
Now here is the first plane I've seen that is actually worthy of a worship thread.

Almost anything else just pales into insignificance vs the 190.

It's sleek but not girly (P51).
It's aggressive but not thrown together (109).
It's stubby, but not obese (P47).
It's well engineered but not paper (La5)

Only the Spitfire comes close.

Cheers,
Norris

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-12-2005, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plebanos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SnapdLikeAMutha:
The 190 is built like a god****ed bungalow, it can dive at speeds that would tear the wings from a 109 and can withstand almost ludicrous amounts of battle-damage <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you are just kidding. one single 12.7 hit, and you lose at least 100 km/h speed. this plane has the weirdest damage model of all planes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if that is the case, you still have a plane that is in one flyable chunk and takes a fair amount of lead to actually dismember

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-12-2005, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Now here is the first plane I've seen that is actually worthy of a worship thread.

Almost anything else just pales into insignificance vs the 190.

It's sleek but not girly (P51).
It's aggressive but not thrown together (109).
It's stubby, but not obese (P47).
It's well engineered but not paper (La5)

Only the Spitfire comes close.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only that, it also contains 15% more protein and half as much saturated fat as other leading brands, it contains all essential vitamins, minerals and oils, and, on a clear night if the wind is blowing in the right direction you can clearly hear it singing 'Wild Mountain Thyme' in D minor

BuzzU
04-12-2005, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Now here is the first plane I've seen that is actually worthy of a worship thread.

Almost anything else just pales into insignificance vs the 190.

It's sleek but not girly (P51).
It's aggressive but not thrown together (109).
It's stubby, but not obese (P47).
It's well engineered but not paper (La5)

Only the Spitfire comes close.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike you. I can like the FW190 and the P-51/P-47. I'm amazed sometimes on how biased some guys are.

All WW2 fighers are cool.

faustnik
04-12-2005, 10:18 PM
All WW2 fighters are cool Buzz, but some are cooler than others, like the one in your sig. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Werre_Fsck
04-13-2005, 02:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grue_:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190cockpit/images/Ammo_FW190A8_DM_01.jpg
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm the ammo counts are weird?
The leftmost gauge marked "Mk108" has 500 rounds tops? The rightmost has 100. Also the current reading is hundreds of rounds.. cannot be correct. Nonsymmetric. Weird.

WOLFMondo
04-13-2005, 03:06 AM
Hunde, some of those tips apply very well to the P47 also and will probably apply well to the Tempest V. Thanks!

Ruy Horta
04-13-2005, 11:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Werre_Fsck:
Hmm the ammo counts are weird?
The leftmost gauge marked "Mk108" has 500 rounds tops? The rightmost has 100. Also the current reading is hundreds of rounds.. cannot be correct. Nonsymmetric. Weird. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what happens when you RESTORE aircraft to the best of your ability. Note that VERY few people would notice this detail even when looking into the cockpit. The counter is correct type, but not the right number.

OTOH this should serve as a good example that you have to use caution when looking at restored a/c, since they often exibit replacement parts that are not original.

Vipez-
04-13-2005, 11:57 AM
the Würger allways have been my all time favourite bird..

Friend of mine is a beta tester, and after doing some extensive testing, i can say in 4.0 will be become the ultimate butcherbird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (very lethal 20 mm ) .. let us hope russian community (russian beta testers) do not spoil it.. call me a whiner, but it has happened before too, I understand Oleg has to listen for the major audience (russians )

Hristos
04-13-2005, 01:05 PM
Oh, those Russians http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
04-13-2005, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Now here is the first plane I've seen that is actually worthy of a worship thread.

Almost anything else just pales into insignificance vs the 190.

It's sleek but not girly (P51).
It's aggressive but not thrown together (109).
It's stubby, but not obese (P47).
It's well engineered but not paper (La5)

Only the Spitfire comes close.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike you. I can like the FW190 and the P-51/P-47. I'm amazed sometimes on how biased some guys are.

All WW2 fighers are cool. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

You need to take my posts with a heavy pinch of salt. I don't dislike any WW2 aircraft but I do have a habit, as you know, of being a bit of a wind-up merchant. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I certainly don't dislike the P51 or P47 as I often fly them as 2nd/3rd choice (they're quite like my usual ride, the 190) but I do like to engage in banter especially when people try to make out, sometimes jokingly, sometimes not, that they were the only reason the allies won the war http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I certainly prefer them over VVS aircraft....even though I don't dislike them, either!

Cheers,
Norris

BuzzU
04-13-2005, 04:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Now here is the first plane I've seen that is actually worthy of a worship thread.

Almost anything else just pales into insignificance vs the 190.

It's sleek but not girly (P51).
It's aggressive but not thrown together (109).
It's stubby, but not obese (P47).
It's well engineered but not paper (La5)

Only the Spitfire comes close.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike you. I can like the FW190 and the P-51/P-47. I'm amazed sometimes on how biased some guys are.

All WW2 fighers are cool. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

You need to take my posts with a heavy pinch of salt. I don't dislike any WW2 aircraft but I do have a habit, as you know, of being a bit of a wind-up merchant. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I certainly don't dislike the P51 or P47 as I often fly them as 2nd/3rd choice (they're quite like my usual ride, the 190) but I do like to engage in banter especially when people try to make out, sometimes jokingly, sometimes not, that they were the only reason the allies won the war http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I certainly prefer them over VVS aircraft....even though I don't dislike them, either!

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone is being wound up. I wonder who?

NorrisMcWhirter
04-13-2005, 06:12 PM
Wound up? Certainly not me - the only person who has ever come close to winding me up on these boards is Mr Maddox (and he's a special case) with his often questionable 'marketing'

This place is a doddle compared to clearing rooms out in the old Geocities chat; South beach hangout, anyone? If anyone frequented there and recalls the 'Serb AA crew' session then you witnessed a true classic.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

VFA195-MaxPower
04-13-2005, 09:35 PM
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/dekkerwallpaper.jpg

Here's a great wallpaper of the a-8. It's quite well done, I think. Great thing to put on the back of your altar while you get on your knees and wave your hands at it.