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Earthslayer
09-12-2006, 07:16 AM
Okay, this is beggining to get on my nerve heavily.
Kingdom Hearts II is a awesome game, id wait for how ever long i could to have it, allthough we Australians are having it released 6 months after America! Americans have allready played it, clocked it, etcetc.
And the PS3 comes out in November for Americans and Japan..... March of 07 for Aussies!
Then to top off my intense anger, the game Assassin's Creed wont come out in Australia for some time after that.... SMITE ME NOW! :'(

silentassasin05
09-12-2006, 09:23 AM
Its all business. America and Japan is where the mass market is.

xasspenx
09-12-2006, 01:13 PM
that and america is number 1. lol idk the reason. i was only messin. canada is number 1. o yeah. america is not where the "market" is at. if anyone reads blogs and stuff from msn u might have read the blog about how america doesnt get cool electronics like the UK and japan. BUT...the gaming market may be higher here(US) than in the UK...

OH_DragonBoy
09-12-2006, 02:47 PM
Since when does the UK get all the cool electronics?

It has very little to do with the market, actually. It's because that's where the companies ARE.

terminalShock09
09-12-2006, 03:45 PM
Yeah, seriously. Ubisoft has a building just down the street from where my dad works.

HorTyS
09-12-2006, 07:45 PM
it probably also has alot to do with the localization of the game. i don't know if AC is going to be in japan and america before anywhere else, but if thats so, it would most likely be because of localizing the content for the appropriate reigons.

knife_X
09-13-2006, 09:14 AM
Heh how will the people of Japan make it trough their day without games. I mean one died cause he didnt eat or sleep for 4 days cause he was playing WoW! And the classic a guy jumped out hes bedroom window cause he was sure hes gonna respawn...

kew414
09-14-2006, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Earthslayer:
allthough we Australians are having it released 6 months after America! You're from Australia aswell? Cool so am I! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



Then to top off my intense anger, the game Assassin's Creed wont come out in Australia for some time after that...

*jaw drop*

****!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

BTW I agree with silentassassin (yet again! ARGH!), mass market gets the goodies first, then the rest. Business. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

simulacra
09-14-2006, 05:25 AM
Hardware doesn't need localization, and why should sony bother?.
IMO all hardware developers and software developers should pay hardball, they should REFUSE to localize ANYTHING.
If the whining countries doesn't acccept that they're out of the release and individual consumers would have to import the machines for themselves.

I see no reason to why a game company should have to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars for german/french/other dubbing-loving languages voice actors?
English is the world language, try learning it instead of ruining good movies/tv/games with dubbing.

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 07:51 AM
because america PWNS!!!!!!!!!!

entropy777
09-14-2006, 08:50 AM
<span class="ev_code_GREY">No, not really...</span>

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 09:31 AM
humm how doesnt america pwn????????????? n00b we have everything....

purepwng
09-14-2006, 10:03 AM
Japan's commercial technology is way ahead of ours. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 10:04 AM
dude america is still ahead of alot of people...

purepwng
09-14-2006, 10:05 AM
yah but not America http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 10:05 AM
america dude????

purepwng
09-14-2006, 10:05 AM
i ment japan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 10:08 AM
calm down dude japan is good 2, but america gets it first because they have the bigger market, they get it because they made it(ps3 or in some cases games)

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 10:09 AM
japan made the ps3 and some games... is what i ment to say

purepwng
09-14-2006, 10:10 AM
Japan gets it first because they have a bigger gaming market

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 10:12 AM
dude, how do they have a bigger market, i would say 90% of americas teens/kids, play video games, and i would say alot of adults do 2, so i would say we have the bigger market.

purepwng
09-14-2006, 10:13 AM
but there are more people in japan than in america therfore a bigger market http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

entropy777
09-14-2006, 10:35 AM
<span class="ev_code_GREY">Could you </span><span class="ev_code_green">please</span><span class="ev_code_grey"> refrain from using the term "Dude"? I can literally feel my IQ level dropping as I read...</span>

Robbinho1992
09-14-2006, 11:07 AM
Entropy, what is your iq?
You always seem to have perfect punctuation and grammar

ameshockey3
09-14-2006, 01:32 PM
humm ya as i stated the US has more people, even tho after i proved him wrong, he wanted stats.Japan €" Population: 127,417,244. and the United States €" Population: 295,734,134

terminalShock09
09-14-2006, 03:21 PM
Maybe he was thinking about China, not Japan. America doesn't pwn. I know this because I'm an American and I'm embarrassed by that kind of talk. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Really, why do you think people hate us...

BerserkerG
09-14-2006, 07:23 PM
Man r u guys such babies, i mean it doesn't even matter who gets it first, the system will have bugs like every other system that comes out, fact is u getting it in march of 07 is good cuz the game selection will be better and sony will have had bout 6 months to work out the bugs.

Proof PSP, no 2 analog stick and cuz of that bad game selection.

PS2 at lauch good system, lots of problems
PS2 MINI at launch overheating issues and lots of recalls

XBOX, what can i say besides listing the bugs, waste of a system only good game was HALO, and fact is u can get them all of pc anyway so just buy a better graphics card and enjoy, oh yea, u don't pay for xboz live which is such a rip, at least sony looks at the consumer, while bill gates is trying to be the richest man again.

XBOX360 good graphics good system, controller is still bad, games i can get for pc or some for ps2 or ps3, but fact is u get blue ray with ps3 and that quality stuff cuz those cost 1K + so there.

PS3, good system, great quality price, personally i think sony is giving us a bargain cuz of the fact of blue rays player prices out there. Fact is cuz of blue ray, a lot of developers will switch to song instead of microsoft cuz of the disc space available, now imagine if sony was smart and signed exlusivity with rock star, just gta even, omg those graphics, that terrain, nothing you wouldn't be able to do, but fact is sony didn't tnink of it.


P.S. P.S. P.S. don't get a system at lauch, bad choice, lots of bug, wait one week and read reviews and if you can wait a bit, wait 6 months and give sony time to fix bugs and let the better games reach the store shelves.

SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOO PLz i know everyone haw opinions but does it rlly matter that the ps3 isn't comming to europre till march 07, NO, cuz Europe isn't sony top gaming markets, japan and North America are. Besides, we all got yanked, instead of 1 or 2 mil systems to be shipped we only get 400, 000 and japan 100, 000. Great Job sony, the system didn't launch and alrdy there are dissapointments.


OH YEA GET a ps3 as soon as Assassin's creed hits the stores, now there a great gamne, as good as POP, look up my discussion on POP to AC.

choinkees
09-25-2006, 12:08 AM
Ok, the simple version: Japan and North America are usually the countries that make the games... so naturally it starts in their own language. Translation follows after that, as well as TV screen size and frequency changes to deal with.

I'm in Australia too, and most of the games I buy are from Japanese developers. It takes a damn long time for the game to get here and I've spoilt many good story games by watching the ending from a US version months before I even get to buy and start the game here.

The process goes something like:
Game is developed by Japanese people - game is originally in Japanese and released in Japan.
The next step to go is North America - huge game playing population with the same TV signal (NTSC) and only one language to translate to (English). Still, translation can take quite a while, and possibly re-recording voices if there is voice acting in the game.

Finally... the UK, Europe, Australia... all put into the same category. A major difference is the TV size and frequency (25 or 50 frames a second, more vertical space, slightly wider colour range).. and usually even more translating: German, French, Italian, Spanish, whatever... (at least the interface and subtitles if not the voice acting)

If you're gonna say "English is the world language so we don't need anything else"... then just think that all those Japanese-developed games you play could have quite easily stayed completely in Japanese rather than going through the trouble to make it in a language you speak.
Besides - about twice as many people speak Mandarin Chinese in the world over English... so maybe all games should be in that... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Red_Mercury901
09-28-2006, 09:11 AM
I'm from South Africa... Nobody cares.. Now, I just want to point out that Japan = small (not population wise) America = almost the size of continent. + (this really isn't right but anway) no country is better than the other *awaits to be shot down* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

KumO95
09-28-2006, 12:19 PM
Welcome to Sony... we like to think were the greatest... and we are

And the Europeans will still think were the best even if we shaft them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well not this European http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Microsft hardly shaft me for release dates of the major games I want to play

The Shaft the japenese market more :P

Keksus
09-28-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by silentassasin05:
Its all business. America and Japan is where the mass market is.

The biggest market for computer games is in germany, but most of the games come out 1 week after the release in america

II_Leader_II
09-30-2006, 04:00 PM
They should have a world wide release for assassins creed ( i live in UK and cant wait for this game)

Lothrian
09-30-2006, 07:18 PM
Your all wrong and right. America does indeed have the second biggest market (still to Japan), and it gets things first because most of it is developed there. Japan is moving away from games and over the past 5 years, sales in consoles and games has continually dropped.
Finally, Europe is the third largest market, but the largest population comprising of over 20 major countries. America has more spending power because its cheaper and the house prices are tiny, where as here (UK) 300k ($600,000) will get me a very average 2/3 bed semi-detached house.

Another reason why the US will get it first, ... language. America speaks some weird form of English, but it can be easily translated to proper English for the UK. To localise the game to German, French, Spainish, Portugese, Italian, Bulgarian ... blah blah blah ... is major work.

It is still worth the work to translate into Japanese, but the market is dwindling.

You will also notice that the PC version will be released after the console when release dates come out, otherwise us Europeans end up doing the following:

"Why should I have to wait to play the same game when everyone else can before me?"
Then go buy it off Direct2Drive or somewhere (or worse ... illegally), therefore voiding all the money spent on localisation since the consumer already has the product.

You cant do that with consoles.

So in essence, the following will happen.

1: Staggered console release
2: Global PC release
3: Lots of annoyed PC owners complaining that console owners get priorety.

ps - Hi All!

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Illuminatus_85
09-30-2006, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Robbinho1992:
Entropy, what is your iq?
You always seem to have perfect punctuation and grammar

Its all an act DUDE

mexifry14
10-01-2006, 02:28 PM
entropy likes to think hes better than everyone http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

purepwng
10-02-2006, 10:08 AM
don't we all? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a-secret-threat
10-02-2006, 12:41 PM
this is a bad topic i really dont c y people start topics like this, no ofence or anything, but they always lead to arguement and fight, the topic starter asked y america and japan get things before australia (sorry for the spelling if its wrong), so <STRIKE>frikkin</STRIKE> anwser that and only that, if u get off topic start a new topic thing and argue there so u can have it closed in 30 seconds and so this 1 doesnt need to b closed from a stupid little thing like arguing when this is a good topic... so please shut the **** UP!!!... so sorry for the language every1 else, but every good topic and idea has 2 be made into a arguement and im sick off it

*** please do not bypass the autocensor in the future -thanks //zgubilici

zgubilici
10-02-2006, 11:50 PM
As long as the debates are kept within civilized limits and without getting too personal, this thread is open for discussions.
If those conditions won't be met anymore and if the thread will be driven off topic even further that it has been already with the last posts, it will meet the inevitable "closed" fate.
Now let's get back on topic in here.
Thanks.