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dt1028
03-13-2005, 11:03 PM
http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh3_rc1/sh3_review.htm

blue_76
03-13-2005, 11:04 PM
excellent! thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sinclair07_fr
03-13-2005, 11:15 PM
Wow quite a detailed review with some new features ... Subsim rates SHIII 100/100 "the king of subsims"... I can't wait ANYMORE !!!

EDIT : a shame this review doesnt contain any new ingame screen...

JG27_Arklight
03-13-2005, 11:16 PM
I think I speak for everybody when I say..

****in' A.

blue_76
03-13-2005, 11:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

Summary

Before I close, I have to confess that after seeing SH3 a year ago at E3, and again during the October 2004 Sub Club meeting, it€s been truly hard to suppress the excitement and anticipation I€ve felt. The specter of SH2 hung over my expectations. With each new SH3 build I was thinking, "Please Lord, don€t let this game let us down". It didn€t. SH3 really impressed me at every phase of its development€"it€s been all I could do not to rave. No more. This subsim has everything plus everything else. The final score? What else can you say about a hands-down, across the board superb game? Silent Hunter III is the King of Subsims!

Rating: 100 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Axxent
03-13-2005, 11:22 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Screens will be added when the review is actually posted... Sorry guys, but you're looking at a leak.

hauitsme
03-13-2005, 11:37 PM
I'm sorry to say this, but I must.

As far as it reads right now, it's a flawed review. If you can't see the bias, your blind. How in the name of (place diety's name here) can the game be rated a 100 with the known flaws and omissions?

necrobaron
03-13-2005, 11:46 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this just a preview from last year?

Kosigan86
03-13-2005, 11:53 PM
Looks like the review was leaked. I think the author changed the link to finish it.

JG27_Arklight
03-13-2005, 11:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dt1028:
http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh3_rc1/sh3_review.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*EDIT*

Axxent, I can't believe you leaked the review.

Not cool.

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pm2002
03-13-2005, 11:54 PM
are you guys blind???
it s a PREVIEW from OCTOBER 2004!!!!
gosh!
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Axxent
03-13-2005, 11:54 PM
It'll be done in about an hour, according to official sources.

That WAS the link to the review that I leaked, but Neal changed it so he could finish it. Like he said to me, it'll be done in an hour.

http://207.44.164.159/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=29332

Not to worry, all has been righted.

pm2002
03-13-2005, 11:55 PM
the guy just changed "preview" to "review"... lokk in the link and in the actual adress
what a facker!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JJCarter
03-13-2005, 11:57 PM
It's not the review guys.... stand down. That's one from last October 2004. Neal is however putting the finishing touches on the gold review, which should be up any time. No need to Roast Onkle Neal, or Ubi for that matter, on an old review of a beta build. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JJCarter
03-14-2005, 12:01 AM
Update! Neil says give him about an hour, and the link will be restored to the new review! Great news!

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 12:23 AM
It did start out as the gold(without pics), then it was switched to an older review(I never saw this), but now it goes nowhere(as of now).

Isn't this fun? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Axxent:
It'll be done in about an hour, according to official sources. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It'll finally be done when the criticisms and questions they know are being asked and griped about are addressed.

They have to know the answers to questions being asked. Why aren't they answering them?

Where can you or I get an unbiased review? I'm constantly looking on the net at the gaming sites for one written by a competent sub/sim player.

Hopefully, someone, somewhere will fess up the whole 'truth' about it, with ALL of the flaws pointed out and commented on.

<span class="ev_code_yellow">Yes this is a negative view of things</span>, but the hype lately is finally revealing the 'real' truth of the matter.

I'm really afraid that this isn't looking up to be what it could have been. But then there are modders out there to fix the game.
Apparently the game shouldn't have been released this soon.

Hausser1966
03-14-2005, 01:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Axxent:
It'll be done in about an hour, according to official sources. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It'll finally be done when the criticisms and questions they know are being asked and griped about are addressed.

They have to know the answers to questions being asked. Why aren't they answering them?

Where can you or I get an unbiased review? I'm constantly looking on the net at the gaming sites for one written by a competent sub/sim player.

Hopefully, someone, somewhere will fess up the whole 'truth' about it, with ALL of the flaws pointed out and commented on.

<span class="ev_code_yellow">Yes this is a negative view of things</span>, but the hype lately is finally revealing the 'real' truth of the matter.

I'm really afraid that this isn't looking up to be what it could have been. But then there are modders out there to fix the game.
Apparently the game shouldn't have been released this soon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dont buy it. It's as simple as that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thanks

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 01:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hausser1966:
Dont buy it. It's as simple as that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It can only be 'as simple as that' to a simpleton.
Was that simple? You would know.
Great response BTW!

Hausser1966
03-14-2005, 01:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hausser1966:
Dont buy it. It's as simple as that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It can only be 'as simple as that' to a simpleton.
Was that simple? You would know.
Great response BTW! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am a simpleton. Sure.....!!
Dont ever think I have read a positive post or comment from you.
Have a nice life sir.Sure happy I got to know you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Thanks

Monza27
03-14-2005, 01:31 AM
That link has just gone live again, I didn't see it before so not sure yet if been updated.

LLv34_Jani
03-14-2005, 01:52 AM
100% in score.

Ok...i gotta have this game now...NOOOOW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LLv34_Jani:
100% in score.

Ok...i gotta have this game now...NOOOOW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy ****!

How have you been Jani??

Long time no talk. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kilrathi36
03-14-2005, 01:58 AM
He added disclaimer he couldnt test multiplayer yet he gave it 4/5 score. I think multiplayer is bigger part of this game than just 5 points, it should be out of 10, and those points should be considered only after he has chance to play multiplayer extensively for at least 1 or 2 days. Also, can the reviewer please add whether there is direct tcp/ip or are we forced to use those game matching services that usually suck such as ea online, and often cause problems?

Subsim
03-14-2005, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monza27:
That link has just gone live again, I didn't see it before so not sure yet if been updated. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's updated with screens, it's live.

Killer, I played various demos and builds over the last EIGHT months; I played the release candidate and the gold for the last two weeks, I don't have any gripes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am entitled to say I like it, it kicks the **** out of every WWII subsim that came before it, if that's the way I see it. I'm certainly not going to hold back because some players may think it's hype. Go ahead and check other reviewers, I could be wrong.

I know which computer game I'm going to be playing for a long time.

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 02:13 AM
I'll be playing it too.

It doesn't mean I can't complain though. Sheesh, someone has to TRY to keep things varied. Gotta keep peoples juices flowing. Everything can't always be good.

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 02:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
I'll be playing it too.

It doesn't mean I can't complain though. Sheesh, someone has to TRY to keep things varied. Gotta keep peoples juices flowing. Everything can't always be good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why you're here Haut., you are the forum attack dog. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 02:18 AM
I started out a naive little puppy. Sometimes it still sneaks itself out.

Muppetts
03-14-2005, 02:22 AM
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alarmer
03-14-2005, 03:08 AM
3 more days.

Nice review and the 100 score is ofcourse normal from a fellow subsimmer. In my mind 100 is ok if you compare SHIII to previous WWII subsims. I expect lower score from other review sites.

But if subsim fan gives it 100% I believe we all will take that as a sign. This game is rock solid and will keep us busy for long long time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bbmak1980
03-14-2005, 03:27 AM
@neali

sorry dude but 100% what the hell? this says that there are no bugs and all is nice. but it is

we have the uzo bug and low resolution so i dont understand why you give 100% to this game!

Krycek1972
03-14-2005, 04:19 AM
Reviews are always subjective to the reviewer, if someone likes what they have played and dont discover any bugs it gets high marks. I remember a magazine review where the reviewer was a FPS person and he reviewed a flight sim, it got low marks as he couldnt get into the game.

The only review I go on is my own. If it meets my expectations then im happy, anything else is a waste. Of course glowing reviews in lots of different publications make me more likely to purchase a game but that doesnt mean I haven't been stung in the past by big piles of steaming poo. As Im sure most people have purchased howlers in the past.

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 04:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Howlers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

VVS-Manuc
03-14-2005, 05:44 AM
No wolfpack in the campaign? Very very disappointing! I would give 20 points minus for that !

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 05:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
No wolfpack in the campaign? Very very disappointing! I would give 20 points minus for that ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is why you aren't a reviewer.

You have to look at the bigger picture. Not find one thing you hate and let the entire review reflect that.

VVS-Manuc
03-14-2005, 07:20 AM
Wolfpack was one of the main gemran submarine tactics. So why is it left out? IMHO that is not only a minor flaw. It is now like flying only a lone B-17 in all missions in the B17 -II game

Philipscdrw
03-14-2005, 07:37 AM
100% is a bit extreme, IMO. If the ship that rams you doesn't sink, and there were wolfpacks, then yes 100%. Without them, 98%!

From the review, it seems the biggest flaws are that when you're rammed, you take moderate damage and the ship sinks 80% of the time, there aren't wolfpacks, and the ports are empty. In order of significance to me. IMO, the ramming flaw could be fixed quickly with a patch (I hope!), and wolfpacks would make an excellent add-on pack.

Think about the amount of extra coding that a wolfpack would require - it would need a whole load of extra AI behaviour, communication options, protocols, voices. It would add a lot to the game, but it would also add six months to the release date.

Ships in port would be nice to have, so you can make the occasional raid - but if it was done realistically, then 95% of the time you would get caught by patrols and die, so you wouldn't do it very often. I'm glad that the devs have left it out, because it means we get SH3 a few weeks earlier.

Wolfpacks and detailed ports would be excellent for an add-on - perhaps with an Italian submarine?

U1409
03-14-2005, 07:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Think about the amount of extra coding that a wolfpack would require - it would need a whole load of extra AI behaviour, communication options, protocols, voices. It would add a lot to the game, but it would also add six months to the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not necessarily. I am hoping that much of the work is done already, yet they just did not have time to polish it (test it, whatever) properly to match their preferred standard. They may just have postponed "activating" wolfpacks until they are ready.

Wolfpacks WAS a major part of the WWII Atlantic campaign, and I would be disappointed indeed if they intend to charge me extra to get it as an add-on. As a patch it is acceptable, as an add-on... no.

Philipscdrw
03-14-2005, 08:15 AM
I would gladly buy an add-on containing wolf-packs if it would a) give me really good wolf-packs and b) help secure DC2 and SH4...

Lobolopez220
03-14-2005, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
100% is a bit extreme, IMO. If the ship that rams you doesn't sink, and there were wolfpacks, then yes 100%. Without them, 98%!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually he gives it a score of 97, its the fact that there are three bonus points for the naval academy and advanced realism options that takes it to 100.....

oscar0072004
03-14-2005, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
I would gladly buy an add-on containing wolf-packs if it would a) give me really good wolf-packs and b) help secure DC2 and SH4... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would we have to PAY! for something that is supposed to be included in the original game ? They better include it in a patch and make DC2 an addon!

R3MF
03-15-2005, 10:04 AM
good review, game sounds great fun. thanks.

Subsim
03-15-2005, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
100% is a bit extreme, IMO. If the ship that rams you doesn't sink, and there were wolfpacks, then yes 100%. Without them, 98%!

From the review, it seems the biggest flaws are that when you're rammed, you take moderate damage and the ship sinks 80% of the time, there aren't wolfpacks, and the ports are empty. In order of significance to me. IMO, the ramming flaw could be fixed quickly with a patch (I hope!), and wolfpacks would make an excellent add-on pack.

Think about the amount of extra coding that a wolfpack would require - it would need a whole load of extra AI behaviour, communication options, protocols, voices. It would add a lot to the game, but it would also add six months to the release date.

Ships in port would be nice to have, so you can make the occasional raid - but if it was done realistically, then 95% of the time you would get caught by patrols and die, so you wouldn't do it very often. I'm glad that the devs have left it out, because it means we get SH3 a few weeks earlier.

Wolfpacks and detailed ports would be excellent for an add-on - perhaps with an Italian submarine? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well said!

According to the letter from Cristian, you are right, good wolfpack AI will need AI subroutines. I agree, an excellent candidate for an add-on; SH3 Wolfpack Expansion.

Messervy
03-15-2005, 01:19 PM
Quite frankly I find this to be insulting.
All the time we vere being promised something and when the game comes out it isn`t there!
Somehow I think this kind of behaviour demands at least an explanation.