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whiteladder
11-18-2005, 05:04 AM
I saw this on SimHQ, this would be realy nice in BOB

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_top...=142&t=001086#000012 (http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=142&t=001086#000012)

Arm_slinger
11-18-2005, 06:50 AM
oooh nice, I want one now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

B.Mamba-DK
11-18-2005, 08:09 AM
TrackIR3pro with the Vector Expansion does the same. Nothing new. Just a new model. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif But it is a must have gear like joystick if u want to fly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

ElAurens
11-18-2005, 10:55 AM
TIR is most decidedly not "must have" gear for virtual flying.

I'm not saying it isn't good, but to be accurate the only thing you "must have" is a good joystick.

I still may order one, I'm debating about it. But please don't say it is necessary, because plainly it is not.

JG52Uther
11-18-2005, 11:19 AM
For me it is an 'immersion' thing (i have TiR2).When i'm flying,i have a joystick,throttle (X45),CH rudder pedals,and i can trick myself that i am looking around with TiR.I love it.

rr9
11-18-2005, 11:20 AM
You can fly just fine without it if you have external views on. Cockpit on and externals off, TIR makes a big difference.

Waldo.Pepper
11-18-2005, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
TIR is most decidedly not "must have" gear for virtual flying.

I'm not saying it isn't good, but to be accurate the only thing you "must have" is a good joystick.

I still may order one, I'm debating about it. But please don't say it is necessary, because plainly it is not.

I politely disagree. After you have one and get used to having one then you can say if it is essential or not. I think I would not fly without one. (and I only have the tir 2 model.)

LW_Swordfish
11-18-2005, 02:03 PM
For "Realism" it gets you closer to being in the Sim.

But it's not a necessity and you do get an advantage in full real rooms.

I'm just glad I didn't have to pay for my TrackIR 3 Pro with Vector Expantion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Chadburn
11-18-2005, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:


I politely disagree.

You're so Canadian http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But is it really "must have"? Lots of virtual pilots fly without it and do really well.

With the 6DOF, though, I can see where having that will open up an entirely new dimension to the game that's locked to those without it.

Codex1971
11-18-2005, 04:22 PM
For those of you who are saying it's NOT a must have, you obviously haven't tried it out for any length of time.

I equate flying without TrackIR is like flying without a joystick. Sorry but TrackIR IS a MUST HAVE.

Read post by "AndyJoyhill"

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/ask_oleg.htm

BaldieJr
11-18-2005, 04:47 PM
Its a "must have" in the same way that tv and pot pies are "must have".

Chadburn
11-18-2005, 05:32 PM
Maybe I'm getting confused by your use of the term "must have". As a marketing slogan, it's fine to refer to TrackIR as a "must have", but it's not.

Not as in you "must have" it or you can't play...or you "must have" it or you can't be competitive. Or you must "have it" or the game's no fun...that's what I mean.

ronison
11-18-2005, 11:30 PM
First I must say I have just recently bought the trackir 3 pro and love it. But it being a must have to have fun is just plane wrong. I had just as much fun without it when I just used the flight stick hat as I do now.

I wont say it hasnt made things a bit easier and added yet more realism to the game but as far as a "must have" in any form I have to say that it is not. It is more a "very nice addition that can add alot to the game" than a "must have".

Everyone is entitled to their oppinion but you deffenetly do not "have" to have this to have fun in this game.

RAAFIL2shark
11-18-2005, 11:34 PM
A joystick isnt a "must have" you can fly without it.

Once you have used one you wont!!!!!
Same for TIR.
If you own one you wont fly without it.
Priority one Hotas
Priority two TIR.

LeadSpitter_
11-19-2005, 12:35 AM
http://www.freemanmfg.com/neckbrace.jpg

I hope olegs bob has a host option to turn off trackir use, if the host chooses too.

JG5_UnKle
11-19-2005, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
http://www.freemanmfg.com/neckbrace.jpg

I hope olegs bob has a host option to turn off trackir use, if the host chooses too.

Are you on crack?

I really hope the host doesn't have such a choice, Jeez I think padlock is a personal preference so I leave it on if people want it.

csThor
11-19-2005, 04:28 AM
"Must have"? Definitely not. Must have is a joystick - TrackIR and pedals are "nice to have" items simply because of their price. I frankly find TIR grossly overpriced http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Dendrobius
11-19-2005, 05:30 AM
I once thought TrackIR was not a "must have". I thought the coolie hat was fine. I scoffed at those who said TrackIR was the be-all end-all. I flew online, got kills, thought it was ok.

Then I gave in to the temptation and got a TrackIR3 with Vector. After some time with it, I agree. It is definitely a "must have". I would rather fly with a 2 button joystick and TrackIR than a HOTAS with no TrackIR. Hell, I'd fly with a KEYBOARD and TrackIR over a HOTAS and no TrackIR.

All those people who say it's not a "must have" fit into either of the two bottom categories, or both
- Never tried it before
- Cannot afford it

I haven't heard of anybody who's tried a TrackIR for long enough to get use to it, and said it didn't live up to the reputation. It IS that good.

When you have people who're willing to put up with halved FPS sometimes because of the TrackIR software glitching on them, that's saying something about how good it really is.

ElAurens
11-19-2005, 07:50 AM
There are many "pilots", some of the best in this sim by the way, who don't use it even after trying it, so don't paint with such a broad brush.

I regularly send users of TIR to firey deaths online, and I don't use it. So lets end this "must have" nonesense right now. You all sound like a bunch of addicted fanbois.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Codex1971
11-19-2005, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by csThor:
"Must have"? Definitely not. Must have is a joystick - TrackIR and pedals are "nice to have" items simply because of their price. I frankly find TIR grossly overpriced http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I recall the Falcon 3 days, a joystick was a "nice to have" back then.

GT182
11-19-2005, 09:25 AM
Tracker IRs are a "must have" for those of us that fly with them. It adds the same amount of realism that a joystick and rudder pedals do. What you need to fly with for realism is in the eye of the beholder. Boy, have my eyes been opened using a Tracker, Cougar and rudder pedals. I couldn't fly with out any of them, now that I've grown acustomed to using them.

Hat's off tho to those that only use the keyboard.... you get the "Cordination Award of the Year". And should be proud that you can do what most of us can't. Seriously, no joke.

Now here's a thought for those that say it's not a "must have". Sit in the driveway and think you're driving down the highway using only the "hatswitch" on your steeringwheel trying to look around you. Don't turn your head, just use the "hatswitch". For those real life pilots, do the same when you're up in the air as a passenger.... "hatswitch" only. Like using the "hood" for your instrument training. Now think of turning your head to look around as using a Tracker. Now it's a "must have". LOL But if you can fly fine with only using a hatswitch, congrats to you too.

Now you see why we like our Trackers.... purely for the realism they give us. Yes they are expensive, That'll I'll give you. But think too how expensive that computer you built for gaming is, and being online is. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jamesdietz
11-19-2005, 10:57 AM
I have used it (TrackIR3 Pro Vector,)in BoB WoV & it really helps in immersion..leaning outside cockpit etc.( along with the better sound available in this sim,)but I'm loyal to the better graphics of FB/PF. I'll tell you where it really would come in handy : in carrier landing planes in PF like the early SBDs , Buffalos & Vals with the big bulky gunsights in the way...just a little bit of leaning would help my techniques in these birds alot! As it is now I've left shattered undercarriages & wrecked aircraft on every carrier in the fleet...

-HH-Quazi
11-19-2005, 11:24 AM
If I could have gotten used to it, I would consider a must have. I envy the m8s here that are able to use it. There isn't enough Dramamine on earth to get me used to it. Sad, but true for my weak stomach. I would like to think that with the feel of g's and actually flying in RL, that I would make a decent pilot. But if TIR is any indication of being able to handle an ac in RL, I'm SOL.

polak5
11-19-2005, 07:59 PM
nice vid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Arm_slinger
11-20-2005, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by csThor:
I frankly find TIR grossly overpriced http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I whole heartedly agree, Converting the cost from USD to GBP, trackIR 4 works out at atound 100

I guess i'll be patroling ebay

csThor
11-20-2005, 07:07 AM
Still I don't consider TIR anything else than an additional item for those who can afford. If I was still flying online I'd be almost worried about this thing becoming mandatory for BoB - I'm glad that I'm just playing offline. The arms race (read: buying enough processor and gfx power and RAM to run the sims at their full glory) is bad enough as it is currently. If BoB supports TIR+6DOF that's fine - as long as players without TIR have a similar system in the game using the hatswitch and keyboard/mouse.

Flying_Nutcase
11-20-2005, 07:49 AM
Regardless of this "must have" issue, the bottom line is that it's a great product and the vast majority who have used would never want to fly without it again. I'm one of them.

Of course it won't suit 100% of the flight sim population, but that would be asking a bit too much. All to there own.

It's a pity Sturmi doesn't support 6DOF, but that'll be a nice bonus for us when BoB comes out.

A happy TrackIR2 user here.

Vipez-
11-20-2005, 09:00 AM
I had TIR 3 Pro for long time. I never got used to it.. never.. So I sold it to my friend, and quite frankly I fly much better without it.. offcourse 6DOF might be quite enhancing, so when BoB comes out, i am going to buy Trackir8 and 16DOF right away, and try to get used to it right from the start http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (in two weeks offcourse)

GAU-8
11-21-2005, 12:03 AM
if you COULDNT get used to TIR3 PRO, then dont buy VECTOR! its basically the same thing with a few more axis thrown in. dont get me wrong,i love my VECTOR unit, but if you couldnt get used to 2 axis movement ,6 will make you vomit.

did you not COMMIT yourself to it? usual time to "bed in" your brain is about a week.turning off all padlocks, and external views so as not be a crutch.

what made you not get used to it? did you feel sick? or something else?

i just think that if you had the product the first time, and you didnt get it, your wasting money for the higher end version of it (and getting the same results)..unless you force yourself to stick with it.

Choctaw111
11-21-2005, 06:41 AM
When I first read about the TrackIR I thought that it was a great idea so I finally bought one. When it finally arrived I plugged it in and tried it out and I HATED IT but I kept on flying with it for the next few days and finally got used to it. Now I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!!!! I cannot possibly imagine flying without it just as much as I cannot imaging flying without a joystick!!! All a joystick does is provide a way to more accurately and naturally control your AC as opposed to a keyboard and just the same way a TrackIR provides a more accurate and natural way to control your view as opposed to a hat switch. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT SAY A JOYSTICK IS A MUST HAVE THEN A TRACKIR IS A MUST HAVE ALSO!!!!!! You do not need a joystick to fly and you do not need a TrackIR to fly either but HAVING EITHER ONE SURE MAKES FLYING MORE ENJOYABLE AND HAVING BOTH IS ABSOLTELY FANTASTIC!!!!!!!

nakamura_kenji
11-21-2005, 06:51 AM
prefer hat switch and mouse and i use twist rudder guess i be odd ^_^. i try track ir but dislike it never able get nice seting, ambidextrious(think word ???0_0???) so no problem fly joystick one hand mouse other

polak5
11-21-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by GAU-8:
usual time to "bed in" your brain is about a week..

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif sad but true http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BSS_Vidar
11-21-2005, 09:14 PM
I'll agree to a certain point. TIR is not a "must have" for flying "Over-powered Windmill" sims. But for Lock On, it is definately a MUST HAVE. With the new 3D cockpits equiped fully functional switches comming in LOMAC 1.2 Blackshark. You'll be able to throw switches using TIR 4 Pro via the mouse view function. This will keep your hands on the flight controls, assign less buttons, and completly emerse yourself in the cockpit and flying, all while orchestrating the weapons systems.

I've been spending more and more time flying Lock On as of late due to the much more realistic simulation environment. TIR 4 PRO will make it that much more realistic for me now that I don't do this for real anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Odranoel1
11-28-2005, 07:02 AM
I have track IR 3. Here is my 2 cts:
- Adds a lot to realism when flying cockpit on. Increases my competitiveness versus using mouse.
- Makes me airsick (lol) after half an hour of checking my 6. Takes 2 hours to feel OK again. Also makes my neck muscles stiff and painful- they were not made for this purpose!
- useless in cockpit off.
All in all a good buy, but I would not call it a must have.

whiteladder
11-28-2005, 09:13 AM
ok if you are going for the full monty get a track ir and a joystick

You need to build one of these...

http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/9623/fw90outside073cd.jpg

looking at one of these..



http://www.elumens.com/products/images/vs-image-geek-full-001.jpg

and be sat on this..

http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm

All of which are essential for true immersion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif