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Mysticpuma2003
12-28-2006, 03:56 AM
Ok, after requesting advice on the SimHQ forums about how to increase the spring tension on the X-52, l450l Vex posted back with the answer, but unfortunately had deleted the photos.

Anyway, I managed to do it, and decided to put, using photos, a small video tutorial together with voiceover, on how to make the home-made washer, to put on the X-52, which increases the stiffness of the stick (which always felt too slack before, for me) by about 50/60%.

So with that in mind the video link is here (it's 12.7mb):

http://www.aqwp87.dsl.pipex.com/SpringFix.zip

and you will need the Xvid codec to view it which can be found here (just click on download)

http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/codecs_and_filters/xvid.cfm

Hope this helps some of you out there, cheers, MP.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Codex1971
12-28-2006, 04:45 AM
Just curious Mysticpuma2003 (or anyone else for that matter)...does your stick have smooth travel?

I have noticed that when banking the std plastic washer seems to "grip" the base and I get a stuttering motion, especially if I put pressure on the handle. I've tried graphite power to lubricate the washer but it hasn't worked, I don't want to use a liquid lube for fear of it running into the base and shorting circuitry.

Note: To anyone thinking of references to sticks or lube in a sexual way...get your mind out of the gutter you sick units you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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gdfo
12-28-2006, 04:47 AM
mysticpuma are you using Olegs pic or are you Oleg?

DuxCorvan
12-28-2006, 05:05 AM
He's been so near Oleg that starts looking a lot like him. Chameleon powers.

But no, Oleg has a nice voice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F16_Neo
12-28-2006, 05:13 AM
When it comes to lubrication... avoid spray lubricants, they might affect the material and make the surface rougher!
Try rub a candle underneath the sliding disc and on the metal shaft on which it slides... you need to push the disc up toward the handgrip. Be careful not to get alot of candlewax particles inside the stick...
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Mysticpuma2003
12-28-2006, 05:34 AM
Hi Codex. The stick has a smooth travel, no stutters ( I know what you mean), and have not needed to add any lubrication to it. The disk I made moves very smoothly and does not grip the centre or base at all, and moves with the spring very freely. I would try and stay away from adding any lubrication if at all possible.

I think the key to this is the central hole too tight. The disk is large enough to hold the spring, but it doesn't interfere with the stick itself, which lets it move around smoothly. That's my take on the issue of stuttery operation.

gdfo, it is a .gif made from pictures I took during my interview with him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dux, I can only agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers, MP.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BillyTheKid_22
12-28-2006, 07:12 AM
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Scragbat
12-28-2006, 08:03 AM
Central hole too tight
Lubricated shafts

I've never heard such filth.
Mods lock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mysticpuma2003
12-28-2006, 09:47 AM
And now to bring this thread back in control of the adults

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widdershins
12-28-2006, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Codex1971:
Just curious Mysticpuma2003 (or anyone else for that matter)...does your stick have smooth travel?

I have noticed that when banking the std plastic washer seems to "grip" the base and I get a stuttering motion, especially if I put pressure on the handle. I've tried graphite power to lubricate the washer but it hasn't worked, I don't want to use a liquid lube for fear of it running into the base and shorting circuitry.

Note: To anyone thinking of references to sticks or lube in a sexual way...get your mind out of the gutter you sick units you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Use a bar of soap to lubricate your shaft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

My washer on my old Cyborg would freeze in place until I did the soap trick. No messy runs either.

WB_Outlaw
12-28-2006, 12:49 PM
I use chap-stick to keep my X-52 from sticking.

--Outlaw.

CD_kp84yb
12-28-2006, 02:09 PM
Thx for the tip. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Gonna try it out, see if the stick has a better feeling after.

I bought this X52 6 months ago, tried it out and smacked it back in the box. I found it a complete waste of money, too light and i couldn't get used to that twist for the rudder. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Well i will give a second chance on my test rig, cos my gaming rig has a perfect stick attached to it ( stick build in 1994 and still perfect) with throttle and rudder (both controlled with left hand) and 24 programmable buttons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif The good old Gravis Phoenix http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

If i like the X52 it stays attached to the pc, if not, well the garbagecan will be its final destination, or act as a target.

cheers

VFA-195 Snacky
12-28-2006, 02:18 PM
I have a simple solution: Stop waisting money on cheap Saiteks and get CH.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LT.INSTG8R
12-28-2006, 02:28 PM
The irony of all this "suggestable" usages and wordings is that actually pure silicon lubricant(the sex kind) works great. Im sure brand by brand it will vary but the trick is pure silicon nothing water based.
As for spring stiffening, My previous stick was an old Gameport Saitek Cyborg 3D and the pots were just cooked. I just swapped out the springs(I also pushed the stick a bit further down the shaft by unlocking a set screw)All sorted, almost as stiff as my Cyborg<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mysticpuma2003
12-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Thanks for that Snacky, this is a solution for all those who don't have a Gold reserve in their bank.

UK price for Ch stick and throttle... 240, that translates to $480, but in fact is more likely to be $240 after the one-to-one exchange rate dollars for pounds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif


So I buy my X-52 for $80 or 80, and pay 5 or $5 for my cd's. Now I find the X-52 is a fantastic stick, but was just slack on the spring...well now it's not with this fix.

So I can buy 3 X-52's and they will last me for more time than I can ever justify on the costy of the CH.

Thanks for the thoughts though, cheers, MP.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
12-28-2006, 03:02 PM
Yesterday I switched from an X-45 to an X-52.

The X-52 is much much much better! I didn't think it would be that much of an improvement. But it is. Compared to the feeling of the X-45 (which is akin to a baseball bat in a bucket of apples) the 52 is far far smoother and responsive.

I do not need the spring stiffened. I like the feeling just the way it is. Like NASCAR, loose is fast.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mysticpuma2003
12-29-2006, 02:05 AM
Appears the xvid link has died, here's a new (and better) one.

http://www.xvidmovies.com/codec/

Cheers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VFA-195 Snacky
12-29-2006, 05:37 AM
I went through 3 of those saiteks in one year. I wasn't comming down on you guys. You get what you can. I would just like to see better quality out of Saitek.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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CD_kp84yb
12-29-2006, 07:09 AM
Hi

Id modified the X52 and it feels lots better now. So it will atached to my surfing pc now.

Now if i could get used to that twist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif it maybe a usefull stick.
Hmmm maybe i can set one of the rotary's up as rudder.
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cheers

Mysticpuma2003
12-29-2006, 10:55 AM
Glad it helped CD, I just like the feel now, it's much more like my old Saitek Cyborg.

I do appreciate the feedback guys, it makes the effort all worth-while.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AznKamiKazeKid
12-29-2006, 11:49 AM
are you sure this is a good idea? i mean i increased the tension on X-52 but i didn't have to do all this drilling and such. I tried it with a hard plastic like in the video before but i wouldn't recommend it because the when the spring hits the plastic it sort of slides a little. An alternative solution was recommended off of the saitek forum. Since you already using a cd case, simple get the white plastic foam you find on top of the cds and make a cut and slide it in. A lot faster and since its soft, it holds the spring in place. Here's a pic
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/SuperKungFu/DSC00889Small.jpg <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/SuperKungFu/SigFinalhires.jpg

Mysticpuma2003
12-31-2006, 03:33 AM
Yours is just another solution, the more we can show, the better the stick and more popular it gets. Cheers, MP.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RAF74_Raptor
12-31-2006, 09:26 PM
I fixed my Spring Tension by using a piece of Drum cymbal felt makes it nice and responsive