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mandrill7
06-14-2007, 09:06 PM
And how widespread was it?

Badsight-
06-14-2007, 09:49 PM
your meaning the G6/AS in FB ?

we dont really have a G6/AS in FB , because the FB G6/AS comes with MW50

they should have called it the 109 G6 "GT Edition"

VW-IceFire
06-14-2007, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
your meaning the G6/AS in FB ?

we dont really have a G6/AS in FB , because the FB G6/AS comes with MW50

they should have called it the 109 G6 "GT Edition"
But not as fast as the Bf109 WRX STI? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Badsight-
06-14-2007, 10:37 PM
lol ! , i would have settled for "ASM"

imagine an AMG version - lowered , new mags , better handeling & more power + some classy bodywork additions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
06-14-2007, 10:37 PM
"AS" referred to the model of the engine, not to boost. The first Bf 109G-6/AS aircraft to enter service (as high escort to Fw 190 Rammjager) were around late April/May 1944---as far as I could determine. One indicator I found was when JG11 received theirs according to Knoke in I FLEW FOR THE FUHRER.

JG52Karaya-X
06-15-2007, 12:54 AM
But in Knoke's case he is talking of new supercharged engines with water-methanol boost, so they must have received the ASM rather than the normal AS there!

leitmotiv
06-15-2007, 01:28 AM
Well, ASM! Quite right! That's odd, because I've never seen a G-6/AS with the bulge in the aft wall of the cockpit for the MW tank---but, as in all cases with the 109, just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't mean you'll never see it!

Kurfurst__
06-15-2007, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by mandrill7:
And how widespread was it?

It's difficult to answer because most of these machines were converted from older G-5s and G-6s, and were kept reported as such in the strenght reports. Even if we know from certain from Knoke's metioning and we even have pictures of his CO's 109 which clearly shows the new cowling (AS engine) and red legs (MW-50), it was still just reported as new 'G-5s' with the unit.

What we know is that 686 G-6/AS, 76 G-5/AS (pressurized) and at least 30 G-5/R2/AS (pressurized recce) were built. I also have montly production figures, but aware that is probably just one part of the story, and I am not sure wheter this shows conversion airframes or new production airframes... so best take it as a minimums

1943 :
Feb 1944 : 26,
Mar : 65
April : 95

This is an old post from butch2k :

G6/AS production
Messerschmitt Regensburg, 226 new airframe, 165xxx range
Erla Antwerp, G6/AS, 11 converted airframe
Erla Antwerp, G6/U4/AS, 1 converted airframe
Erla Antwerp, G6/U2/AS, 95 converted airframe
Erla Antwerp, G6/U2/R2/AS, 23 converted airframe
Mi-Metall, G6/U4/AS, 132 converted airframe
Mi-Metall, G6/U2/AS, 98 converted airframe
Blohm & Voss, G6/U4/AS, 20 converted airframe
Blohm & Voss, G6/U2/AS, 80 converted airframe

For a total of : 686 aircraft.

For May-Aug the data is missing, and a few seems to have been made later on the year. From July 1944, they were replaced by the G-14/AS which was practically identical but with standardized MW-50 boost (in case of G-6/AS, probably only former /U2s got MW-50 onboard) it and was produced in large numbers (I count 1377 new airframes w/o the conversions).

luftluuver
06-15-2007, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
What we know is that 686 G-6/AS, 76 G-5/AS (pressurized) and at least 30 G-5/R2/AS (pressurized recce) were built. I also have montly production figures, but aware that is probably just one part of the story, and I am not sure wheter this shows conversion airframes or new production airframes... so best take it as a minimums Come now Kurfurst, I saw you posted in the neubau thread of ArtieBob over at TOCH. The only neubauG-6/AS was built in Sept 1944, all the others being conversions.

link http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=2462&page=3&highlight=neubau

Bf 109 G with DB 605 AS. Early deliveries were all Umbau, beginning with Erla, Antwerp. 2 in 1943 (probably Dec., none in Jan., 26 in Feb., 46 from Erla in Mar. plus 20 from RW E, 43 from Erla in Apr. plus 48 from Rw E and 5 from BV. After that the data I have is not complete. Prien and Rodeike's book is generally excellent, but I believe the C-Amt monthly reports were not in circulation when their book was written. The key is separating Neubau from Umbau as defined by the RLM. "It appears that if the conversion was done after leaving the assembly plant, then the aircraft would be considered "Umbau". A good example is the Bf 109 G-5/R2 referred to by Rasmussen in his message of on 12 Sep 05 . These Bf 109 G-5 aircraft were apparently converted to the Bf 109 G5/R2 subtype at the Erla Antwerp repair and modification facility (no new build final assembly was done at this facility during 1944) and 34 Bf 109 Aufklarer from Erla A (Antwerp) appear in the monthly reports for Umbau aircraft for July 1944. These may have been "new" aircraft, with only test flight and ferry time from the Erla final assembly plant at Leipzig to Antwerp, but Umbau is how they were identified by the RLM.

Vike
06-15-2007, 08:14 AM
Interesting post Kurfurst! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

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