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frapeforte1
01-31-2005, 06:11 PM
I would like to know if anybody out there could tell me who is working on the Avenger? I would like to offer my assistance. I live very close to the American Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola. I am able to obtain all kinds of documentation on this aircraft as well as secific photos? To the developers: I am here if you need any help.

3.JG51_BigBear
01-31-2005, 06:12 PM
I think the Avenger is already done. Its not in game because of some legal problems with Grumman or some such nonsence.

frapeforte1
01-31-2005, 06:16 PM
I cant imagine what legal nonsense would prevent them from letting us use a 60 year obsolete aircraft. You would think that they would be greatful for letting us experience this fne aircraft!!!

cwojackson
01-31-2005, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frapeforte1:
I cant imagine what legal nonsense would prevent them from letting us use a 60 year obsolete aircraft. You would think that they would be greatful for letting us experience this fne aircraft!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Do a Goggle on the subject and you will find a lot of reading about the issue. Be warned, much/most of it is rumor and speculation but it should give you some idea.

heywooood
01-31-2005, 06:18 PM
ok - that almost sounded like common sense, to me anyway....you watch yourself, pal.

J_Weaver
01-31-2005, 06:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
I think the Avenger is already done. Its not in game because of some legal problems with Grumman or some such nonsence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No way...you mean the avenger is finished and ready and Grumman is holding it hostage? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Gentlemen, if this is true then its time for a revolution. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

badaboom.1
01-31-2005, 07:26 PM
COMMON-SENSE?I thought he was banned back with that 50.cal thread!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

VW-IceFire
01-31-2005, 08:40 PM
We never saw any pictures of the Avenger internals so we don't know if it was held up by the legal stupidity or not.

SaQSoN
02-01-2005, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No way...you mean the avenger is finished and ready and Grumman is holding it hostage? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. It's not true. Even if it was ever started, it is definitely not anywhere close to be finished.
So, in this particular case Grumman doesn't have anything to do with the Avenger cockpit absence in the game. So far.

m.manson2004
02-01-2005, 08:26 AM
Nor does the KATE and Jill missing cockpits for which Maddox has the full documentation for a while now.
manson

fherathras
02-01-2005, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Nor does the KATE and Jill missing cockpits for which Maddox has the full documentation for a while now.
manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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papaboon
02-01-2005, 10:18 AM
Hmmm??? Maybe I'm missing something here? Are y'all talking about a "flyable" Avenger???
Because the Avenger is in the game, listed as the TBF!
http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/screenshots/DU_03-09-04/grab0008_s.jpg

Zneg1
02-01-2005, 01:46 PM
I am working on the B6N 'Jill''s cockpit. I just need to finalize some issues I have with this plane. I am trying to acquire more references. If you have any please let me know and if they are the ones you sent to Oleg and Ilya, I already got them. Thanks!

I cannot comment on the Avenger status though. Sorry.

m.manson2004
02-01-2005, 02:09 PM
ATT ZNEG1
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yes, they are the ones MORITZ sent 4 months ago.Who is doing the KATE COCKPIT?and is it coming along fine?
manson

m.manson2004
02-01-2005, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No way...you mean the avenger is finished and ready and Grumman is holding it hostage? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. It's not true. Even if it was ever started, it is definitely not anywhere close to be finished.
So, in this particular case Grumman doesn't have anything to do with the Avenger cockpit absence in the game. So far. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
hello,
Are we going to see your DEVASTATOR in the next patch?and how is the GEORGE cockpit coming along?Finally can you tell whoever is working on the Avenger cockpit to get a move on!!?
manson
manson

matkal80
02-01-2005, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
I think the Avenger is already done. Its not in game because of some legal problems with Grumman or some such nonsence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not in the game because it will be released as payware with few other models.

m.manson2004
02-01-2005, 04:03 PM
and who said so?

manson

Zneg1
02-01-2005, 04:11 PM
The 'Kate' is not much different from the 'Jill'. it should not be hard to modify the 'Jill' cockpit to make it the 'Kate'.

Smidlee
02-01-2005, 04:34 PM
My theory why the Avenger isn't in the game is because Oleg is really an evil dictator who planning to take over the world. Oleg even has his own followers known as Oleg-Huggers. Yet he has only one person in his way : Mr.Bush. So Oleg is mad at America for spoiling his plans by reelecting Bush back in office since it would be crazy to give Bush reason to invaded Russia. This is his way of getting back at the Americans. He even later porked Consair and Hellcat just so he could set back and watch online at all those who was flying American planes drop into the Ocean. Yet we all are not fooled and notice his actions so he unporked the Americans plane a little so his true intension isn't known. there is even a rumor that he may cancel BOB so he can spend all of his time to replan his attack on the world after Bush leaves office in 2008 so Oleg will rule the world and Microsoft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mjollnir111675
02-01-2005, 04:39 PM
Smidlee you have one heckuva imagination but the REAL reason is that it is an aircraft that would put the IL-2 to shame!!
Cant have that in this sim!!

HEY 1-C: PIMP OUR TORP PLANES!! You KNOW the Avenger is THIS years IL-2!!

cwojackson
02-01-2005, 04:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smidlee:
My theory why the Avenger isn't in the game is because Oleg is really an evil dictator who planning to take over the world. Oleg even has own followers known as Oleg-Huggers. Yet he has only one person in his way : Mr.Bush. So Oleg is mad at America for spoiling his plans by reelecting Bush back in office since it would be crazy to give Bush reason to invaded Russia. This is his way of getting back at the Americans. He even later porked Consair and Hellcat just so he could set back and watch online at all those who was flying American planes drop into the Ocean. Yet we all are not fooled and notice his actions so he unporked the Americans plane a little so his true intension isn't known. there is even a rumor that he may cancel BOB so he can spend all of his time to replan his attack on the world after Bush leaves office in 2008 so Oleg will rule the world and Microsoft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Never happen, the U.S. has far too many fast-attack-laywers. Besides, once the invasion date got down to two weeks it would just stall out.

cwojackson
02-01-2005, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mjollnir111675:
Smidlee you have one heckuva imagination but the REAL reason is that it is an aircraft that would put the IL-2 to shame!!
Cant have that in this sim!!

HEY 1-C: PIMP OUR TORP PLANES!! You KNOW the Avenger is THIS years IL-2!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The Avenger was a pretty special plane. While it's career as a torpedo plane was mercifully brief, it was a work horse in some many different areas.

Mjollnir111675
02-01-2005, 04:54 PM
Totally agree!! It wasn't the platform(Avenger) it was the armament(the MK XIII).
In all other areas it excelled. One cannot dispute that!!
Personally I wouldn't fly the Avenger if the torp(MK. XIII) failure rate wasn't modelled.
If it was I would feel the let down that real crews fealt after seeing torps hit the hull and break up,porpoise,circle back ,deviate course or any other anomolies.
But for me really it is the fact that it looks cool as hell,carries one h3lluva payload,its technological firsts, and its level bombing ability. OH and the ball turret,radar set and ventral m.g. are t!ts!

HEY 1-C:PIMP OUR TORP PLANES!! The AVENGER is STILL this years IL-2!

cwojackson
02-01-2005, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mjollnir111675:
Totally agree!! It wasn't the platform(Avenger) it was the armament(the MK XIII).
In all other areas it excelled. One cannot dispute that!!
Personally I wouldn't fly the Avenger if the torp(MK. XIII) failure rate wasn't modelled.
If it was I would feel the let down that real crews fealt after seeing torps hit the hull and break up,porpoise,circle back ,deviate course or any other anomolies.
But for me really it is the fact that it looks cool as hell,carries one h3lluva payload,its technological firsts, and its level bombing ability. OH and the ball turret,radar set and ventral m.g. are t!ts!

HEY 1-C:PIMP OUR TORP PLANES!! The AVENGER is STILL this years IL-2! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We had one fly in at the Boeing Museum of Flight last summer. I got to crawl around in her awhile. Photo's don't do it justice...as you're walking up to her the size really hits you.

Once you get inside the next thing that impresses you is the strength of the plane; they're solid. (This particularly one had been a fire bomber then was restored back to Naval configuration.)

Mjollnir111675
02-01-2005, 06:05 PM
Yes they are gi-normous!!

BTW was the one you saw from the Collings Foundation?
If so it is one fine specimen!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif = to you man if it was the one or anyone for that matter!!
They are the shizzle my frizz-nizz-nagle!!

HEY 1-C: PIMP OUR TORP PLANES!! Ya know this sim isn't complete w/o them!!

partyhardy
02-01-2005, 06:50 PM
The following is a quote from the README file with PF...

Attention:
We simply ran out of space on our 2 CDs and had to remove some cockpits for
several flyable aircraft. Free add-on containing these aircraft will be made
available at www.pacific-fighters.com (http://www.pacific-fighters.com) for a free download.

That's probably where your Avenger is.

cwojackson
02-01-2005, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by partyhardy:
The following is a quote from the README file with PF...

Attention:
We simply ran out of space on our 2 CDs and had to remove some cockpits for
several flyable aircraft. Free add-on containing these aircraft will be made
available at http://www.pacific-fighters.com for a free download.

That's probably where your Avenger is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Their post also claimed that the missing data would be made available two weeks after the games U.S. release...last November.

Of course in any way questioning the long wait and 1CMaddox's utter silence over this issue is not well tolerated by some.

J_Weaver
02-01-2005, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by partyhardy:
The following is a quote from the README file with PF...

Attention:
We simply ran out of space on our 2 CDs and had to remove some cockpits for
several flyable aircraft. Free add-on containing these aircraft will be made
available at http://www.pacific-fighters.com for a free download.

That's probably where your Avenger is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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ImpStarDuece
02-02-2005, 12:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cwojackson:


Their post also claimed that the missing data would be made available two weeks after the games U.S. release...last November.

Of course in any way questioning the long wait and 1CMaddox's utter silence over this issue is not well tolerated by some. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nowhere did anyone from 1C promise that the additional material would be available 'in two weeks'. 'Two weeks' is just a forum in-joke that gets taken a little bit to literally by some members of the community. Said members then start making noise like a peirced porcine when the two weeks is finished with, inexplicably, no add-on.

Most of us just have the patientce to play the game and realise that any and all additional content is a bonus and not a right, whether made by 1C or a third party.

Personally there is enough depth in this sim to keep me going for years more. I bought the original IL2 and still cant get the most out of 109s and yaks yet, let alon the FB, AEP and PF planes that have wormed their way in.

m.manson2004
02-02-2005, 09:57 AM
120 days now.
manson

cwojackson
02-02-2005, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cwojackson:


Their post also claimed that the missing data would be made available two weeks after the games U.S. release...last November.

Of course in any way questioning the long wait and 1CMaddox's utter silence over this issue is not well tolerated by some. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Most of us just have the patientce to play the game and realise that any and all additional content is a bonus and not a right <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well when the developer tells you that you're only going to receive 2/3's of the product you are buying and he will provide the additional 3rd in a week...it's your right.

mortoma
02-02-2005, 10:15 PM
Wasn't George Bush Sr. shot down while piloting an Avenger?? And if so, what in the world does it have to do with this thread?? I guess I just like to post silly junk because I get bored sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cwojackson
02-02-2005, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
Wasn't George Bush Sr. shot down while piloting an Avenger?? And if so, what in the world does it have to do with this thread?? I guess I just like to post silly junk because I get bored sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Twice I believe.

cwojackson
02-02-2005, 10:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
Wasn't George Bush Sr. shot down while piloting an Avenger?? And if so, what in the world does it have to do with this thread?? I guess I just like to post silly junk because I get bored sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But I think a mod locked him once as well.

m.manson2004
02-03-2005, 11:50 AM
whoever is working on the Avenger cockpit must be developing the cockpit,rear gunner,ventral gunner and bomber station so all depending on wether the order was given to go ahead and when i presume that it must be a job that will take not less than 3-4 months to accomplish.
manson