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Pirschjaeger
01-31-2008, 04:16 AM
As we know, the recipe for the hamburger was given to an American businessman by German sailors from Hamburg, Germany.

The American started making and selling hamburgers. Naturally, they caught on quickly and are now considered American food due to their popularity in America.

So here's my question: Could the American have known that the hamburger would have become so popular or was it simply "dumb luck"

Fritz

buzzsaw1939
01-31-2008, 04:30 AM
Saw a documentary on that once, my impression was, it was dumb luck!

tools4foolsA
01-31-2008, 04:37 AM
Dump luck? Are you insane?

The Americans used a systematic approach to turn the hamburger in the success story it is.

They even put salad in there for balance purposes and swept all overlapping leaves backwards to correct a fault with the CoG.
But that does not mean that the increase in accuracy, high speed performance and stability was pure luck when the burger is thrown at some ignorant German tourist.
They knew what they were doing, be sure, they knew they could solve two problems with one solution.
Every modern Hamburger design uses beef and salad.
It is a good beef design unlike the German Frikadellen which are a flop.


+++++

Bewolf
01-31-2008, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
As we know, the recipe for the hamburger was given to an American businessman by German sailors from Hamburg, Germany.

The American started making and selling hamburgers. Naturally, they caught on quickly and are now considered American food due to their popularity in America.

So here's my question: Could the American have known that the hamburger would have become so popular or was it simply "dumb luck"

Fritz

you make a good point there. Now the question is, why did the americans add sesame seeds. to improve shove stability?

tools4foolsA
01-31-2008, 04:44 AM
Sources?

Sure, there we go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5cVdKPfc5U

As you see there is already a scientific discussion going on if those sources are valid or not.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

++++

WOLFMondo
01-31-2008, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
...or was it simply "dumb luck"



Were dealing with Americans here...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Next up, passing thoughts on Frankfurters and waffles.

Irish_Rogues
01-31-2008, 06:09 AM
Are we talking about ground meat or the actual round, flat patty?

If we're talking about the flat one, then according to the "ultimate source" (The History Channel) the story goes that a fry chef in the mid-west was getting his stones broke for taking to long getting the lunch orders done as everyone was ordering meatballs. In an outburst of anger and frustration he smashed one of the meatballs flat, and history was made.

As for the sesame seeds, I think after stealing the idea for the hamburger it was added to improve gripping ability, but by dumb luck it improved the flavor. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Bewolf
01-31-2008, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by Irish_Rogues:
Are we talking about ground meat or the actual round, flat patty?

If we're talking about the flat one, then according to the "ultimate source" (The History Channel) the story goes that a fry chef in the mid-west was getting his stones broke for taking to long getting the lunch orders done as everyone was ordering meatballs. In an outburst of anger and frustration he smashed one of the meatballs flat, and history was made.

As for the sesame seeds, I think after stealing the idea for the hamburger it was added to improve gripping ability, but by dumb luck it improved the flavor. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Why does the US remind me of China lately? The chinese now also were the first in everything. Including discovering america.


hmmmmmmmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

BSS_Goat
01-31-2008, 06:38 AM
I invented Wienerschnitzel, tried to make it sound German as a marketing ploy.

HuninMunin
01-31-2008, 06:43 AM
I invented Kölsch.... and all I get is redicule everytime I tell... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

MEGILE
01-31-2008, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by tools4foolsA:
Dump luck? Are you insane?

The Americans used a systematic approach to turn the hamburger in the success story it is.

They even put salad in there for balance purposes and swept all overlapping leaves backwards to correct a fault with the CoG.
But that does not mean that the increase in accuracy, high speed performance and stability was pure luck when the burger is thrown at some ignorant German tourist.
They knew what they were doing, be sure, they knew they could solve two problems with one solution.
Every modern Hamburger design uses beef and salad.
It is a good beef design unlike the German Frikadellen which are a flop.


+++++

Win.

Bremspropeller
01-31-2008, 06:53 AM
Win.


+1

willyvic
01-31-2008, 07:15 AM
I thought Charles Shultz created Hamburger Patty.

ooops, sorry, that was Peppermint Patty.

WV.

thefruitbat
01-31-2008, 07:20 AM
lol, slow day Pirschjager?

fruitbat

space_bandit
01-31-2008, 07:40 AM
The American hamburger is clearly over modelled!
They have way to much fuel capacity and to much firepower with mexican relish.

Bewolf
01-31-2008, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
I invented Kölsch.... and all I get is redicule everytime I tell... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

It's Kölsch man. You thought the inventor of rat poison got any praise?

DuxCorvan
01-31-2008, 07:50 AM
I invented poop, so you can do something constructive with hamburgers.

AKA_TAGERT
01-31-2008, 07:54 AM
But who made the FRENCH FRYS FIRST?

Say that 3 times fast!

ViktorViktor
01-31-2008, 07:59 AM
I always wondered what sort of condiment was used on the original hamburgers.

I grew up using ketchup, mustard, and mayo all together, but by the time I was about 22, I decided that this was typical (American?) overkill.

I then left out the ketchup, and the hamburgers then tasted 'authentic'.

Real hamburgers don't have ketchup. Be sure !!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I_KG100_Prien
01-31-2008, 09:04 AM
A redneck showed me a chart one day that showed America learned the recipe for Apple Pie from the Russians. He then hit me with a cowbell and ran off with his sister...

Pirschjaeger
01-31-2008, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by space_bandit:
The American hamburger is clearly over modelled!
They have way to much fuel capacity and to much firepower with mexican relish.

The first original hamburger was tested in secrecy. Obviously, its performance was nothing to laugh at. This chart was slipped under the door of a McDonalds in Kansas last year. It has been independently authenticated and our sources say this chart is the real deal.

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/SeedlessBurgerTests.jpg

Now that's a burger that rawks!

The later burgers had sesame seeds installed. These were meant to provide a better grip. But not long after, waitresses claimed that the seeded burgers just didn't perform like the seedless burgers. Further testing on seeeded burgers was carried out. Turned out, the waitresses were right.

In the end, it was decided that too many buns had already been seeded the cost of deseeding the already made buns was just to too high. The leaders of the time decided to change the role of the burger. It was from this point that a popular vote banned food fights involving burgers. Although the official reasons given for the ban seemed legitamate enough, many conspiracy theorists question the validity of those reasons. Some have even suggested a connection between UFO's and seedless buns.

Others have claimed that the P-51's laminar wing technology was actually taken from the seedless burger. We all know the Spitfire's wing technology is directly related to the seeded burger. Britain has always been synonymous with "seeded". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The US government has officially denied the conspiracy claims and will not provide any further comments.

Fritz

DuxCorvan
01-31-2008, 09:25 AM
I liked better the taste of the old Hamburger (TM), the new taste they introduced in 1983 can't be compared with the former, and I don't mind what they say, it's not the same with Hamburger Classic (TM). Hamburger Zero (TM) is a joke. If I want a light hamburger, I go for Hamburger Light (TM). It's OK, specially in the new flavored variants: Mayo Hamburger (TM) and Onion Chop Hamburger Light (TM).

Pirschjaeger
01-31-2008, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I liked better the taste of the old Hamburger (TM), the new taste they introduced in 1983 can't be compared with the former, and I don't mind what they say, it's not the same with Hamburger Classic (TM). Hamburger Zero (TM) is a joke. If I want a light hamburger, I go for Hamburger Light (TM). It's OK, specially in the new flavored variants: Mayo Hamburger (TM) and Onion Chop Hamburger Light (TM).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 10:19 AM
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

M_Gunz
01-31-2008, 10:21 AM
For a while there it had a tough run up against Corn Dogs that still rule at county fairs.

Classic Hamburgers have a tarnished reputation due to the TVP-laced Pseudo-Burgers sold at
many Fast Food joints.

I like mine with pork and venison in the mix (mostly beef), some day maybe some goat or lamb.

Who's up for Barbeque?

MEGILE
01-31-2008, 10:23 AM
McDonalds vs. Burgerking?

KFC!

striker-85
01-31-2008, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
McDonalds vs. Burgerking?

Burger King for the win!!

http://il2.netteq.com/Images/donking.gif

Pirschjaeger
01-31-2008, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

BillyTheKid_22
01-31-2008, 10:46 AM
http://www.showdownaustin.com/burger.jpg/burger-full.jpg



http://www.showdownaustin.com/P1030161.jpg/P1030161-full.jpg



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crucislancer
01-31-2008, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by striker-85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
McDonalds vs. Burgerking?

Burger King for the win!!

http://il2.netteq.com/Images/donking.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!

Copperhead311th
01-31-2008, 11:01 AM
This is a Cheese BURGER. it cost's 379.00 USD.

http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/IMAGES/DSCN0155.JPG

It OWNS all German Burgers. German burgers are Cr@p burgers. DogSh*t between 2 peices of bread.
American burgers are the Shizle fo dizzle my nizzle. as Snoop would say. and they don't come with sourkraught neither. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

JZG_Thiem
01-31-2008, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
I invented Kölsch.... and all I get is redicule everytime I tell... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

rightfully.......

HayateAce
01-31-2008, 11:52 AM
I'm going to be ill....

M_Gunz
01-31-2008, 12:02 PM
Time to go down to Primanti Brothers and see their burgers.

Copperhead, you got a clean chainsaw to cut that thing with?

BSS_AIJO
01-31-2008, 12:06 PM
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/HamburgerHistory.htm


wow

BillyTheKid_22
01-31-2008, 12:08 PM
http://www.rideok.com/hopkins/uploaded_images/meers-727088.jpg



http://www.redearthreflections.com/cpg/albums/sociology/food/051107_3489-w.jpg



Meers, Oklahoma... home of the famous meers Burger and some of the best damn BBQ in the state. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

www.meersstore.com/ (http://www.meersstore.com/)

R_Target
01-31-2008, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Who's up for Barbeque?

North Carolina style!

Bremspropeller
01-31-2008, 12:15 PM
Which basicly looks like what?

horseback
01-31-2008, 12:29 PM
Brem, it isn't how it looks, it's how it's prepared and tastes. Some folks are under the impression that if the meat isn't slathered in some kind of reddish colored sweet-spicy sauce, it isn't barbeque. Some pathetic souls even think that if it doesn't burn your tastebuds to a cinder, it doesn't qualify.

However, the superior barbequeing tradition calls for the meat to be slowly cooked to a tenderness just to the point of being able to cut it with the side of your fork. At that point, the spices and the flavor of the meat itself (if done right) combine almost perfectly, and a properly chosen sauce can enhance the flavor to your personal taste.

I had the good fortune to spend some time in southern Georgia this past spring, where the local barbeque was just wonderful; unfortunately for me, because I still can't seem to shed the 5 kg I gained there...

cheers

horseback

Breeze147
01-31-2008, 12:31 PM
http://www.trekking-mahlzeiten.de/trekking-mahlzeiten-o...n_der_Dose_4641.html (http://www.trekking-mahlzeiten.de/trekking-mahlzeiten-online-shop/produkte/Zwischenmahlzeiten_507/Cheeseburger_in_der_Dose_4641.html)

Those zany Germans!

R_Target
01-31-2008, 12:39 PM
Cheeseburger in a can. LMAO.

Bremspropeller
01-31-2008, 12:41 PM
Thanks horseback http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

R_Target
01-31-2008, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
Brem, it isn't how it looks, it's how it's prepared and tastes. Some folks are under the impression that if the meat isn't slathered in some kind of reddish colored sweet-spicy sauce, it isn't barbeque. Some pathetic souls even think that if it doesn't burn your tastebuds to a cinder, it doesn't qualify.

However, the superior barbequeing tradition calls for the meat to be slowly cooked to a tenderness just to the point of being able to cut it with the side of your fork. At that point, the spices and the flavor of the meat itself (if done right) combine almost perfectly, and a properly chosen sauce can enhance the flavor to your personal taste.

I had the good fortune to spend some time in southern Georgia this past spring, where the local barbeque was just wonderful; unfortunately for me, because I still can't seem to shed the 5 kg I gained there...

cheers

horseback

Well said. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I pity the philistines who believe ketchup has any place in barbecue.

buzzsaw1939
01-31-2008, 01:10 PM
I'm getting hungry!.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

AKA_TAGERT
01-31-2008, 01:11 PM
Got Milk?

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

with no bread or a roll. What is a hamburger without these. A piece of meat..

And the mongolians invented that type of "burger" not the germans. They use to take pieces of meat and place them under their saddles to tenderize it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

joeap
01-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

with no bread or a roll. What is a hamburger without these. A piece of meat..

And the mongolians invented that type of "burger" not the germans. They use to take pieces of meat and place them under their saddles to tenderize it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, you Americans can never admit that other countries can invent stuff CAN YOU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

joeap
01-31-2008, 01:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Copperhead311th
01-31-2008, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

with no bread or a roll. What is a hamburger without these. A piece of meat..

And the mongolians invented that type of "burger" not the germans. They use to take pieces of meat and place them under their saddles to tenderize it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, you Americans can never admit that other countries can invent stuff CAN YOU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No we usually just take the rest of the world bad ideas and screw ups and make them work or make them better where they originally FAILED.
Epically failed in some cases. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 01:52 PM
We will admit that the mongolians invented "The Saddle burger" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Copperhead311th
01-31-2008, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Which basicly looks like what?

There are only 3 religions in the south.

1. Chistianity (Primaraly Baptists)

2. Collage Football

3. Barbecue

and if ya open yer mouth about any of em ya beter damn well know what yer talking about.
And in the fall you can enjoy all 3 at the same time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 01:57 PM
The burger was original "Po man's food" American's made it respectable and a whole lot more tasty and easier to eat.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

buzzsaw1939
01-31-2008, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

with no bread or a roll. What is a hamburger without these. A piece of meat..

And the mongolians invented that type of "burger" not the germans. They use to take pieces of meat and place them under their saddles to tenderize it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, you Americans can never admit that other countries can invent stuff CAN YOU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh ya... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif.... Well we invented the inflated ego!

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 02:01 PM
I make my burgers out of 100% lean angus beef. This is the best beef there is for burgers IMO..

Copperhead311th
01-31-2008, 02:31 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif Ok i give up! i surender! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Germany invented everything that was great. the hamburger, beer, the automobile, the airplane.
EVERYTHING! why Hell they even invented the music video! look see! Germany invents Music Videos! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zUcSTyD2T7M)

YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE ENTIE VIDEO TO APRECIATE SUCH A FINE WORK OF ART AND MUSICAL MASTERY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

berg417448
01-31-2008, 02:47 PM
Is that the German version of the Tele Tubbies?
I had to send that one to my friends!

Copperhead311th
01-31-2008, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
Is that the German version of the Tele Tubbies?
I had to send that one to my friends!

Amazing isn't it!? I have to admit......
i've been all over and i've never seen ANYTHING quite......like....ummmmm......that.
ever.

maybe if the lyrics were subtitled in English....naaaaaaaa, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

joeap
01-31-2008, 04:25 PM
Errrrr... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Anyway, back to burgers love the homemade stuff. That or the nice "Mom and Pop" diner type places our American friends posted here. Honestly the big chains don't usually do it for me, though I swear by Oleg that McDonald's in Switzerland is loads better than in North America, mostly cause they use better ingredients here.

Anyway, my fave fast food is the kebab (gyros, shwarma). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Pirschjaeger
01-31-2008, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

with no bread or a roll. What is a hamburger without these. A piece of meat..

And the mongolians invented that type of "burger" not the germans. They use to take pieces of meat and place them under their saddles to tenderize it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, you Americans can never admit that other countries can invent stuff CAN YOU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No we usually just take the rest of the world bad ideas and screw ups and make them work or make them better where they originally FAILED.
Epically failed in some cases. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha ha, ubizoo is crazy!!!

It's ok Copper. The Europeans sometimes screw up with their inventions.

BTW, who invented America? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Urufu_Shinjiro
01-31-2008, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It was invented in Louis Lunch CT. of course..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis%27_Lunch

Sorry dude, it was introduced to America by Louis Lassen.

He might just be the one who first porked the burger by adding sesame seeds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

with no bread or a roll. What is a hamburger without these. A piece of meat..

And the mongolians invented that type of "burger" not the germans. They use to take pieces of meat and place them under their saddles to tenderize it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, you Americans can never admit that other countries can invent stuff CAN YOU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No we usually just take the rest of the world bad ideas and screw ups and make them work or make them better where they originally FAILED.
Epically failed in some cases. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha ha, ubizoo is crazy!!!

It's ok Copper. The Europeans sometimes screw up with their inventions.

BTW, who invented America? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The native americans, lol.

deepo_HP
01-31-2008, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
This is a Cheese BURGER. it cost's 379.00 USD.

[obscene pic here]

It OWNS all German Burgers. German burgers are Cr@p burgers. DogSh*t between 2 peices of bread.
American burgers are the Shizle fo dizzle my nizzle. as Snoop would say. and they don't come with sourkraught neither.

that's very much true...
during the still ongoing testing-period (to optimise the 'shizle-burgers' for service and delivery), engineers and scientists have achieved good results considering the aftermath:
the target's center of gravity dramatically changes after completing the designated task (leaving it to complete immobility, as desired), however reduces the 'shizle-burgers' service-time to one sortie (due to structural damage up to a point, that the 'shizle-burger' desintegrates to mud-like semi-fluid) - therefor the project is still under research conditions, and service is restricted mostly to the homeland (supported though by the majority of citizens)... front-line delivery has not shown the expected acception.

M_Gunz
01-31-2008, 05:12 PM
Walt Disney invented music video, just watch the first Mickey Mouse cartoons.
It got REAL popular as a format too. My favorites are the Betty Boops but there's loads of
old music cartoons from the early "talkies" years that are still fun to watch today.

Steak Tartar, a delicacy!

I have heard of gator barbeque in Louisiana, 6 hours and still like chewing rubber.
Few more hours to loosen it up?
I've had cuts of beef that needed 4 hours braising/slow cook but they did loosen up.

If gator might taste like frogs legs then I'd like to try it, cause frog is good eatin.
Kinda like a cross between chicken and scallops to me, but never had those barbe'd.

M_Gunz
01-31-2008, 05:15 PM
I think you'd need a keg to wash that shizle-burger down with.
Obviously for big eaters.

BTW - I *really* do not understand that German music video, and not just the words.
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of German people did not either.

Irish_Rogues
01-31-2008, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Errrrr... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Honestly the big chains don't usually do it for me, though I swear by Oleg that McDonald's in Switzerland is loads better than in North America, mostly cause they use better ingredients here.

Anyway, my fave fast food is the kebab (gyros, shwarma). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'll buy that, we always stop at McDonald's at least once when we visit Ireland. It taste like it used to 30 years ago here.

We also stop at least once at Abrakebabra, usually after a good night in the pub. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Airmail109
01-31-2008, 05:45 PM
Homemade burgers with decent meat from a good butcher are the best.

Wouldnt touch McDonalds with a bomb-disposal robot.

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 06:04 PM
Ever have a "ba-low-me" sammich.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
01-31-2008, 07:10 PM
Say that faster and you have most of an old one-liner from back over 30 years ago.

BoCfuss
01-31-2008, 07:50 PM
I have a friend from California, he always talked about In N Out burgers. Always, as if they were the best thing ever. Finally ate there last year. They are not good at all.

I really like Fudrucker Burgers with Bacon, Mayo, Ketchuup, pickles, onions, lettuce(salad), and their onion tomato mix. I love hamburgers.

Other favorites are Ruby River filet mignot and deep fried potato.

Messaschnitzel
01-31-2008, 08:37 PM
Even though Limburger cheese was first developed in Limburg, Germany, It took good old American know-how to bring it to its full potential. These well known scientists from Huxley college had Professor H. Marx (in foreground)not remove his socks and shoes for ten years. Upon removal of the experimental footwear, Prof. Marx then ran barefoot through several inches of Limburger that was spread across the floor. The resulting mess was then allowed to ferment for a full year in the laboratory's laundry hamper before releasing it to the general public.

Today, we owe a debt to these pioneering American geniuses for the development of this disgusting cheese.

http://www.richmondhillhistory.org/marxbros.jpg

stalkervision
01-31-2008, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Say that faster and you have most of an old one-liner from back over 30 years ago.

Just figured that out huh? My your quick.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Messaschnitzel
01-31-2008, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by BoCfuss:

I have a friend from California, he always talked about In N Out burgers. Always, as if they were the best thing ever. Finally ate there last year. They are not good at all.


My wife loves the In n Out burgers. I remember she brought some home and offered me one. I don't like fast food because it tastes too artificial to me. I thought that since this was considered to be "healthy" fast food, (if there is such a thing) I thought that I'd give it a try. I took one bite and then told her she could have the rest of it. I did eat the onion rings though.

I am a simple but picky eater. I like the foods that I grew up with like blackeyed peas, beans and rice, collards, and other vegetables, cornbread. The only difference is that I don't cook it with bacon grease like I was used to. What I really miss is gumbo and boudain.

If I want meat, then I will usually buy or trade with people I know who have hogs or cattle and make a deal ahead of time to get what I need to last me for a while.

Does anybody here eat hogshead cheese? I love sandwiches made out of it.

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 02:02 AM
Next you guys will say Americans invented game shows. Here's the original.

Da Plice is Light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCS5ZQ_67Fw)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jokes aside, do you guys actually think Germany or the US invented hamburgers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The hamburger is no more an invention of either Germany or the US than the sandwich is a British invention. This is the same as with pizza and pasta. These foods are as old as civilization and therefore were invented by the Mesopotamians. It didn't take man 10,000 years to figure out how to put a piece of meat between bread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I know some think the hamburger is called a hamburger because it used to be made with pork. Once again, common misconception. The name was given by Lassen because he got it from sailors from Hamburg.

I also find it's strange that some of you seem to think you know what the original hamburger was like. This part's for you Copper;

"The first hamburgers in U.S. history were served in New Haven, Connecticut, at Louis' Lunch sandwich shop in 1895. Louis Lassen, founder of Louis' Lunch, ran a small lunch wagon selling steak sandwiches to local factory workers. Because he didn't like to waste the excess beef from his daily lunch rush, he ground it up, grilled it, and served it between two slices of bread -- and America's first hamburger was created.

The small Crown Street luncheonette is still owned and operated by third and fourth generations of the Lassen family. Hamburgers are still the specialty of the house, where steak is ground fresh each day and hand molded, slow cooked, broiled vertically, and served between two slices of toast with your choice of only three "acceptable" garnishes: cheese, tomato, and onion.

Want ketchup or mustard? Forget it. You will be told "no" in no uncertain terms. This is the home of the greatest hamburger in the world, claim the owners, who are perhaps best known for allowing their customers to have a burger the Lassen way or not at all."

The American hamburger today is a product of food evolution and has little resemblence to the one introduced by Lassen.

After reading this thread, I think it's understandable why Europeans think N.Americans have little or no culture. If N.Americans don't know their culture, then how can they expect anyone else to? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Although my intention when I started this thread was to bring attention to certain behaviors exhibited in this community, and not to sandwiches, we could easily change the topic to culture but in an honest and constructive way. There's no need to go marking trees.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 02:08 AM
Ha ha ha, it seems hamburgers have been studied somewhat deeply.

Hamburger History (http://www.geography.ccsu.edu/harmonj/atlas/burgers.html)

BTW Copper, I've read that ketchup is a Chinese invention. The American hamburger is a symbol of a dream; the dream of many becoming one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I have a dream,.....and I'm hungry!!!

Fritz

WOLFMondo
02-01-2008, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif Ok i give up! i surender! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Germany invented everything that was great. the hamburger, beer, the automobile, the airplane.
EVERYTHING! why Hell they even invented the music video! look see! Germany invents Music Videos! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zUcSTyD2T7M)

YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE ENTIE VIDEO TO APRECIATE SUCH A FINE WORK OF ART AND MUSICAL MASTERY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

You forget Germany likes the US's best export - David Hasselhoff. Although thats a very German name isn't it?

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 02:26 AM
Hasselhoff is the America's best export? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Let's all hold hands and say a prayer for America. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Fritz

P.S. BTW, Hasselhoff is American. Why shouldn't he have a German name?

WOLFMondo
02-01-2008, 02:40 AM
He did bring down the Berlin wall and end communism didn't he?

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
He did bring down the Berlin wall and end communism didn't he?

No, that was the lead singer of the Scorpions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Ratsack
02-01-2008, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
...Anyway, my fave fast food is the kebab (gyros, shwarma). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Mmmmmm, gyrosouvlaki....

Where's that Homer smiley?

Ratsack

Copperhead311th
02-01-2008, 04:59 AM
Pirschjaeger wrote:

After reading this thread, I think it's understandable why Europeans think N.Americans have little or no culture. If N.Americans don't know their culture, then how can they expect anyone else to?

What you people over there fail to understand is that America is a very very large country. While you can get in a car in Europe, drive 3 or 4 hours and cross as many country's...it would take 3/4 DAYS to cross the whole of this country. From where i live 4 hours driving only puts me in the nest state! We have plenty of culture. But as being a large very diverse country....we have so much culture that we can't even keep up with it. America the great melting pot of the world dontcha know. And America as a whole tend to be a very regionalized country, Devided up in to cultural sections depening upon where you live or where you were raised often dictates what you values and belifs are as well as what you "culture" will be.
For example....
Some one from Arizona, will be very cuturally differnt than say some one from the Bronx in NYC. Some one from Say Tennesee will be culuturally differnt than lets sau some one from Washington State.
It's the same here as it is in Europe. only more diverse. Obviously...the French are cultrually differnt than say.....the Spanish. The English are cutlually differnt that the Polish. Ste Irish & Scots are culturally differnt than the the Germans. See where this is going?
American's are culturally differnt than the Europieans. Just be cuse you do not know our culture, or cannot understand it doen't mean we do not have any culture at all.

Also...American culture is very much depndant on you ehtnic background. Myself being part Scottish and part Native American and having been born and rasised inthe south will be cultually, morally, & ethically differnt than say person from San Dieago who is Hispanic or Latino and has been raised in Southern California. While we're all from the SAME country by birth...we're culturally differnt. And then there's the whole Cross pollentation of ethnic culture in this country that is limited in other parts of the world. But i won't get into that whole thing there as it's sort of a racial Pandora's Box, in that once it's opened it can't be closed easily.

So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....doens't mean Americans have no culture. I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture.

JG53Frankyboy
02-01-2008, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
............... I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture.

good summerize, CHAPEAU !

MrBlueSky1960
02-01-2008, 06:19 AM
So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....doens't mean Americans have no culture. I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture.


Hardly, Europeans have had American Culture ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) forced fed us since the end of the Second World War, in fact there are still some of us that start to salivate at the merest mention of anything American... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Although it has been scientifically proven they have a much stronger constitution than the rest of us... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MEGILE
02-01-2008, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
............... I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture.

good summerize, CHAPEAU ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Looks like Copper put the Moonshine down long enough to write something coherent.

ViktorViktor
02-01-2008, 06:47 AM
PJ wrote:

After reading this thread, I think it's understandable why Europeans think N.Americans have little or no culture. If N.Americans don't know their culture, then how can they expect anyone else to?


Guys, IMHO I think PJ was being facetious.

Blutarski2004
02-01-2008, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
After reading this thread, I think it's understandable why Europeans think N.Americans have little or no culture. If N.Americans don't know their culture, then how can they expect anyone else to?


..... You sound a bit judgemental here, Fritz. Confining my remarks to food, it is practically impossible to define an American cuisine. Geographical distance, local food resources and historic and current immigration patterns produce a great variety in localized tastes. If you were to tour the restaurants of America, you would discover dramatic differences in local and regional tastes. The menus of even the giant homogenized chain restaurants reflect these differences. For example, New York City and Boston are separated by only about 150 km; the only commonality between Boston clam chowder and the NY version is that both contain clams. "Chicken-fried steak" and "grits" are unknown in the NE USA, yet common fare in the South and SW. In the South, anything that shows life signs is offered as barbeque on every street corner; elsewhere in the States, one has to visit a specialty restaurant. In New England, no retaurant worthy of the name omits lobster from its menu, not even McDonald's. It's a specialty item elsewhere.

America is a big and complicated country.

M_Gunz
02-01-2008, 07:05 AM
I had no idea that Europe has only one culture. People from Europe come here all the time,
mine did for example, and all seem to have national identity and customs different from many
others. In my town and this city are many clubs from many different cultures. Some day I
may get across the river to see The Macedonian League for example. Down the street from me
at Jorsa Corner is where a lot of Hungarians meet, they have monthly dinners. In another
place is the meetings of the Welsh Club. Polish and Germans have large club buildings.
The WHEMCO club, originally founded by Westinghouse is exclusively African Americans who
work for or have worked for Westinghouse and founded very long ago, it requires a card to
get in. There are others. The European and close groups all practice old heritage and
language, they teach their children song, dance, clothing, food and culture to keep it alive.
We also have the Three Rivers Council Native Americans who have Council and school system.

Practically ALL are open to any who are interested, come and share they say. But then this
town is where many immigrated to to work the different jobs, it has been so since before 1800.
We have over 1700 bridges of every kind, guess who built them all? ;^)

We have a City culture with our own recognized dialect words/accent that shirts are sold
showing in celebration, our own local food (big sandwich topped with cole slaw and fries)
and contributions to music, even an official unofficial flag in black and gold!

I don't think I could confuse French culture with German though I have been clued in that
German has many distinct groups and I had been told almost 30 years ago that Italy is much
likewise -- told by born and raised Italians. There is the culture of the country and there
are the traditions of older identities as well, a richness like the layers of a painting
done in old masters techniques.

We have most every culture here, it's not like people have totally forgotten where they
came from. Even those who had to keep that alive under extreme oppression never forgot.

Culture... I only skim the surface of what is here and it tells me something of where it
has come from. In different parts of this country I can find differences enough to say
national sub-cultures with real life meaning, nowhere large are people all the same.

What we do have are some people that never get out and only know their own ways but please
that is also everywhere, don't paint us all with the same brush stroke!

Blutarski2004
02-01-2008, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....doens't mean Americans have no culture. I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture.


Hardly, Europeans have had American Culture ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) forced fed us since the end of the Second World War, in fact there are still some of us that start to salivate at the merest mention of anything American... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Although it has been scientifically proven they have a much stronger constitution than the rest of us... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Good American culture = blue jeans, rock and roll, and Tabasco sauce.

Bad American culture = Hollywood and TV.

M_Gunz
02-01-2008, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Say that faster and you have most of an old one-liner from back over 30 years ago.

Just figured that out huh? My your quick.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Used to say it back in Jr. High over 30 years ago and you want to say "just figured that out".
Remember the one that ends with "And your mouth is the lawnmower!"?

M_Gunz
02-01-2008, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Bad American culture = Hollywood and TV.

Yes, between bad script writer and producer collaborations to the deeply set manipulations
of marketing psychologists who are creating the consumer culture of the Corp-Rat State,
we certainly do have an insidious dark side which is only in form different than the ones
who practice the same basic methods elsewhere, what else are "the ones behind the throne"?

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pirschjaeger wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> After reading this thread, I think it's understandable why Europeans think N.Americans have little or no culture. If N.Americans don't know their culture, then how can they expect anyone else to?

What you people over there fail to understand is that America is a very very large country. While you can get in a car in Europe, drive 3 or 4 hours and cross as many country's...it would take 3/4 DAYS to cross the whole of this country. From where i live 4 hours driving only puts me in the nest state! We have plenty of culture. But as being a large very diverse country....we have so much culture that we can't even keep up with it. America the great melting pot of the world dontcha know. And America as a whole tend to be a very regionalized country, Devided up in to cultural sections depening upon where you live or where you were raised often dictates what you values and belifs are as well as what you "culture" will be.
For example....
Some one from Arizona, will be very cuturally differnt than say some one from the Bronx in NYC. Some one from Say Tennesee will be culuturally differnt than lets sau some one from Washington State.
It's the same here as it is in Europe. only more diverse. Obviously...the French are cultrually differnt than say.....the Spanish. The English are cutlually differnt that the Polish. Ste Irish & Scots are culturally differnt than the the Germans. See where this is going?
American's are culturally differnt than the Europieans. Just be cuse you do not know our culture, or cannot understand it doen't mean we do not have any culture at all.

Also...American culture is very much depndant on you ehtnic background. Myself being part Scottish and part Native American and having been born and rasised inthe south will be cultually, morally, & ethically differnt than say person from San Dieago who is Hispanic or Latino and has been raised in Southern California. While we're all from the SAME country by birth...we're culturally differnt. And then there's the whole Cross pollentation of ethnic culture in this country that is limited in other parts of the world. But i won't get into that whole thing there as it's sort of a racial Pandora's Box, in that once it's opened it can't be closed easily.

So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....doens't mean Americans have no culture. I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Copper, you crack me up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Try reading everything I wrote. Also, you might be interested to know that besides being a Canadian I've been to the US about 30 times. Dude, you are taking me way out of context.

But, I'll explain in more detail. Now, I live in Europe and something that annoys the hell out of me is when people here say that N.America has no culture. Of course, they are simply ignorant. One that really makes me laugh is how Europeans will sometimes b!tch about how Halloween is starting to become popular here in the EU. Why is this funny? Because Europeans have forgotten their culture. Yes, Halloween is a European festival brought to N.America by the Celtic Irish. It's a Celt/Pagan holiday from before the Roman invasions.

But anyways, my point was N.Americans, and especially Americans, should take the time to learn something about themselves and their culture. N.American culture is a mixture of old European culture with cultures that have evolved due to isolation. N.America has so much culture it is often limited to "inside" where as in Europe you will have the same culture as your neighbor and everyone in your village.

In my family, in Canada, it was always German culture. One of the reasons I wanted to move to Germany was to experience the culture I thought was missing. It turns out, Germans have forgotten a lot of their own cultures.

Understand me now Copper? I wasn't saying that you don't have culture. I was saying you should learn more about your culture.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....

Lemming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 10:09 AM
Ha ha ha, I'm not even going to bother replying to all you guys until you read my response to Copper.

Now look what you've gone and done Copper. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

stalkervision
02-01-2008, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Say that faster and you have most of an old one-liner from back over 30 years ago.

Just figured that out huh? My your quick.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Used to say it back in Jr. High over 30 years ago and you want to say "just figured that out".
Remember the one that ends with "And your mouth is the lawnmower!"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope never heard that one buddy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thefruitbat
02-01-2008, 10:28 AM
But, I'll explain in more detail. Now, I live in Europe and something that annoys the hell out of me is when people here say that N.America has no culture. Of course, they are simply ignorant. One that really makes me laugh is how Europeans will sometimes b!tch about how Halloween is starting to become popular here in the EU. Why is this funny? Because Europeans have forgotten their culture. Yes, Halloween is a European festival brought to N.America by the Celtic Irish. It's a Celt/Pagan holiday from before the Roman invasions.

I don't think its so much that, its more how its been redefined to a 'hollywood' definition of halloween, rather than the festival it historically was.

Although, on the flip side, this has been happening throughout history, after all Dickens practically invented the modern christmas.

fruitbat

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 10:42 AM
Well, it is true that the meaning of Halloween is all but gone. It's supposed to celebrate the end of harvest and the costumes were meant to scare away the bad spirits.

To be honest, it has always annoyed me when people where costumes such as the "California Raisins" or dress up as a refridgerator.

Some might call it a sort of evolution of culture but the way I see it, it's de-evolution. When the meaning is gone, so goes the culture. People should actively research their culture in order to truly appreciate it.

A little research on something a simple as the hamburger makes the hamburger much more interesting.

Fritz

thefruitbat
02-01-2008, 10:54 AM
Some might call it a sort of evolution of culture but the way I see it, it's de-evolution. When the meaning is gone, so goes the culture. People should actively research their culture in order to truly appreciate it.

agree 100%.

fruitbat

Ratsack
02-01-2008, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
...

A little research on something a simple as the hamburger makes the hamburger much more interesting.

Fritz

Ah, but you're assuming that people are curious. Curiosity gets between me and my 9 g of Soma, so get out of my life and Give Me Convenience, Or Give Me Death!!

Ratsack

Copperhead311th
02-01-2008, 05:43 PM
Ok while i can't speak for the entire country......

I my self am of Scottish/Native american ansestry. In other words...when the Henderson's (Paternal) & the Chambers (maternal) got of the ship from Scottland....the other half of the family was already here waiting for them.
Cherokee & Choctaw. I've been a member of Clan henderson for over 10 years now. about 3 years ago our Clan Geniologist's (spelling?) begain the Clan Henderson DNA Prodject. As an Sgt. In Arms for the Clan Bodyguard for the Souther Region, i got the opportunity to be one of the 1st in the clan to join the prodject. So we've Genetically traced my linage back to the mother soil of Glenco. & to one of the oldest highland branches of the clan. As an active & participating member in my clan i am very much into my own culture. I often attend Knap ins (for Flint Knapers, and native pow wows as well as highland games. I have me own kilt hanging in the closet right now. So my entire family on both sides is compleaty Scottish/ Native American. I'm even learning the languages, when i have time. This is very important to me and i intend to pass this along to my daughter Breanna one day. So i'm very much into my own culture. I'll have to dig up some photo's of my knives & arrow heads i make. I know i have em on a card around somewhere.
aside from that I'm southern on top of it all. Which is like being one of Gods favoright creations being Scottish/ native american and a Southerner as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Ya just cain't git no better than that ya'll.

Copperhead311th
02-01-2008, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
............... I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture.

good summerize, CHAPEAU ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Looks like Copper put the Moonshine down long enough to write something coherent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well i do have my momets don't i? rofl.

Do not alllow my rather great lack of typeing skills and being far too lazy to edit my posts to lead you to belive that i lack intelect.

Once again some one finds out your southern and automatically deducts 10 iq points right off the top. Hell i say let em have the points. They obviously need them to make up for the lack of thier own inteligence. After all we can't all be southern can we? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BoCfuss
02-01-2008, 05:53 PM
I lived in Auburn for awhile, A couple years, then I left the south, and never went back. Southern Culture is certainly different then it is out west. I also spent some time in Boston, that place is messed up. Talk about class warfare up there, you can taste the elitism just walking out the door.

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 05:58 PM
Ha ha ha, Scot and N. American born and raised in the south. That's quite a combination.

Copper, this is exactly what I was talking about. N.Americans have culture but so much culture that it doesn't often make it into the public. Hell, if we had a "show your culture" day in the US or Canada, it would be the most confusing day in human history. With all the mixing it seems like each family has a slightly different culture, other than the national cultures.

BTW Copper, here's Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Jxoo75wJ0) of 3. Interesting and relative to your cultures. I look forward to seeing your pics of your knives. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Here you go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6BejQ5OYYY), some Canadian culture. There are a lot of people around Toronto from the islands and this is a typical house party in every detail. I used to go to these every weekend. Man, the food, the music, dem gals, all good, good times. That video brings back so many memories. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz

Waldo.Pepper
02-01-2008, 06:32 PM
Hell, if we had a "show your culture" day in the US or Canada, it would be the most confusing day in human history.

http://www.folklorama.ca/folklorama.php

Winnipeg does it every year. Lasts for a couple weeks. It is great!

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 06:42 PM
Lots of food, music, and girls in and out of strange costumes.

Oh Canada! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

JSG72
02-01-2008, 06:45 PM
Just popped in on page 6.

I've got the munchies.

Where are those hamburgers?(With Cheese!..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif).

Copperhead311th
02-01-2008, 06:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Part one was all bullsh*t! Goddanmed Campbell's!
i would as soon shoot one of the bloody basterds as look at one. their hands are stained with the blood of the innocent and every Clan knows the decitefull guilt that every Campbell will carry from now till Judgement day. Never mind the fact that they sided with the damn English, But what they did to our Clan & Clan Donald at Glenco will haunt every person with that name till the end of time. Don't laugh this is deadly serious. The day the last Campell on earth breaths his final breath will be a most joyous day indeed.

The Massacre of Glencoe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe)


Robert the Bruce gave away the herditarty lands & tittle of Clan MacEanruig (Henderson in English) to Angus of the Isle for his help in defeating the English. Thus stripping us of our anscetial home. Eventually, over time we became attched to Clan MacDonald. As The Hendersons were well know throught the Highlands as good fighters, and unusually large men (heavy set, broad shoulderd, big boned and usually over 6 ft tall.) We eventually became the herdiatary Pipers & Body Guards for the Cheifs of Clan MacDonald having no lands of our own and marrages between the 2 clans were quite common. In the dead of winter those Camp[bell dogs viloated highland tradtion. the donalds took themin iin the middle of the we hours, and they slaughter almost the whole of both clans while they slept. the few suvivors, mostly defensless women and children, put out into the cold of the highland winter fleeing from sword point for thier very lives. not many survived. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

So my hatred of a Campbell runs very deep. and after watching part one my blood is just boiling right now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

M_Gunz
02-01-2008, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Used to say it back in Jr. High over 30 years ago and you want to say "just figured that out".
Remember the one that ends with "And your mouth is the lawnmower!"?

Nope never heard that one buddy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/QUOTE]

LOL!

Either you're joking or you're lucky enough to still be under 40!

People would say "Your @$$ is grass", meaning about to be pwned in today's terms,
and then that reply came out.

Of course it may have been a regional thing, I dunno. I remember 1st time coach Leese got
that answer, there was one wisea$$ kid (I won't say names) running before Leese got over
the shock of losing his favorite warning line. Laps for all cause we laughed big time!

Somehow though, I bet you've heard that before....

DrHerb
02-01-2008, 07:00 PM
Here in Quebec, Canada the Quebecois culture is almost rammed down your throat due to some laws which i wont get into too deeply.

Too bad there is no happy medium

MB_Avro_UK
02-01-2008, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Part one was all bullsh*t! Goddanmed Campbell's!
i would as soon shoot one of the bloody basterds as look at one. their hands are stained with the blood of the innocent and every Clan knows the decitefull guilt that every Campbell will carry from now till Judgement day. Never mind the fact that they sided with the damn English, But what they did to our Clan & Clan Donald at Glenco will haunt every person with that name till the end of time. Don't laugh this is deadly serious. The day the last Campell on earth breaths his final breath will be a most joyous day indeed.

The Massacre of Glencoe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe)


Robert the Bruce gave away the herditarty lands & tittle of Clan MacEanruig (Henderson in English) to Angus of the Isle for his help in defeating the English. Thus stripping us of our anscetial home. Eventually, over time we became attched to Clan MacDonald. As The Hendersons were well know throught the Highlands as good fighters, and unusually large men (heavy set, broad shoulderd, big boned and usually over 6 ft tall.) We eventually became the herdiatary Pipers & Body Guards for the Cheifs of Clan MacDonald having no lands of our own and marrages between the 2 clans were quite common. In the dead of winter those Camp[bell dogs viloated highland tradtion. the donalds took themin iin the middle of the we hours, and they slaughter almost the whole of both clans while they slept. the few suvivors, mostly defensless women and children, put out into the cold of the highland winter fleeing from sword point for thier very lives. not many survived. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

So my hatred of a Campbell runs very deep. and after watching part one my blood is just boiling right now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Calm down a bit. It was long ago.

The Germans and Poles dont fight with each other even though WW2 finished only 60 years ago.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Pirschjaeger
02-01-2008, 07:09 PM
Hey Copper,

this is a true story, even the names.

In grade 5 there was this kid, Danny Campbell. He and I didn't get on so well. One day we were in the library. He was walking passed this girl (Sandra MacDonald) and smacked her in the head with a paperback, then sat down.

I never took to kindly to guys hitting girls. I got up and went to the referrence section and got the biggest book I could find. Well, let's just say the book was big enough that when I smacked Danny in the side of the head, it took him right out of his chair. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

I_KG100_Prien
02-01-2008, 07:16 PM
http://www.***ung.net/images/5932/anthromeat.jpg

M_Gunz
02-01-2008, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
So my hatred of a Campbell runs very deep. and after watching part one my blood is just boiling right now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I kinda wonder how you keep your lid on considering that what happened to the Red parts of your
blood at the hands of the White parts goes far beyond the Glencoe massacre.

I knew a Polish-German who said he could hate himself, but he was joking.

qlc1
02-02-2008, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
As we know, the recipe for the hamburger was given to an American businessman by German sailors from Hamburg, Germany.

The American started making and selling hamburgers. Naturally, they caught on quickly and are now considered American food due to their popularity in America.

So here's my question: Could the American have known that the hamburger would have become so popular or was it simply "dumb luck"

Fritz
i always wondered why something that had no pork watsoever could have a name like HAMburger

qlc1
02-02-2008, 03:05 AM
No we usually just take the rest of the world bad ideas and screw ups and make them work or make them better where they originally FAILED.
Epically failed in some cases. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif[/QUOTE]
then why are you doing in irak what you done in vieatnam?

qlc1
02-02-2008, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pirschjaeger wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> After reading this thread, I think it's understandable why Europeans think N.Americans have little or no culture. If N.Americans don't know their culture, then how can they expect anyone else to?

What you people over there fail to understand is that America is a very very large country. While you can get in a car in Europe, drive 3 or 4 hours and cross as many country's...it would take 3/4 DAYS to cross the whole of this country. From where i live 4 hours driving only puts me in the nest state! We have plenty of culture. But as being a large very diverse country....we have so much culture that we can't even keep up with it. America the great melting pot of the world dontcha know. And America as a whole tend to be a very regionalized country, Devided up in to cultural sections depening upon where you live or where you were raised often dictates what you values and belifs are as well as what you "culture" will be.
For example....
Some one from Arizona, will be very cuturally differnt than say some one from the Bronx in NYC. Some one from Say Tennesee will be culuturally differnt than lets sau some one from Washington State.
It's the same here as it is in Europe. only more diverse. Obviously...the French are cultrually differnt than say.....the Spanish. The English are cutlually differnt that the Polish. Ste Irish & Scots are culturally differnt than the the Germans. See where this is going?
American's are culturally differnt than the Europieans. Just be cuse you do not know our culture, or cannot understand it doen't mean we do not have any culture at all.

Also...American culture is very much depndant on you ehtnic background. Myself being part Scottish and part Native American and having been born and rasised inthe south will be cultually, morally, & ethically differnt than say person from San Dieago who is Hispanic or Latino and has been raised in Southern California. While we're all from the SAME country by birth...we're culturally differnt. And then there's the whole Cross pollentation of ethnic culture in this country that is limited in other parts of the world. But i won't get into that whole thing there as it's sort of a racial Pandora's Box, in that once it's opened it can't be closed easily.

So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....doens't mean Americans have no culture. I'll venture to say that most Europieans are as ignorent about American Culture as most avergae Americans are about Europiean culture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
russias not a big diverse country?

Whirlin_merlin
02-02-2008, 05:07 AM
Copper' have you ever been to Glencoe, if not get your behind over ther. It is one of the most staggeringly beautiful places on the globe.

If you have any decent mountaineering experience come in winter, bring axes and crampons and traverse the Aonach Eagach ridge, it's mindblowingly good.

Might be a good time to drop the Campbell thing though, sins of the father and all that is so old testiment.

MrBlueSky1960
02-02-2008, 06:15 AM
Culture... America hasn't had enough time to have a full-grown culture of its own; compared to Europe, Asia and the rest of the ˜Old World' their country is barely out of its nappies... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Its present culture is nowt but a microwaved, batchery grown, 57 variety of races, mismashed into a polished facsimile of all the worlds people... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Given time it will grow and have a culture of its own, leave it another 300 years and then we will see... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

M_Gunz
02-02-2008, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by qlc1:
No we usually just take the rest of the world bad ideas and screw ups and make them work or make them better where they originally FAILED.
Epically failed in some cases. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
then why are you doing in irak what you done in vieatnam?[/QUOTE]

It's cause cowboy movies just aren't enough.

M_Gunz
02-02-2008, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by qlc1:
russias not a big diverse country?

Nice leap there.

Someone says something about one country, does that say it is only true there?

Or perhaps everywhere in Russia, everyone has the same culture yet does not?
When Poland was under the heel of USSR, then they all had Russian culture automatic?
That must be why the Chechens are all so happy, shared culture.
Everywhere USSR conquered/incorporated became Russian culture?

In the US there are such divisions as well, as pointed out.

They teach ethnicity where you live? It is a good course to take, will widen your world.

joeap
02-02-2008, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
Culture... America hasn't had enough time to have a full-grown culture of its own; compared to Europe, Asia and the rest of the ˜Old World' their country is barely out of its nappies... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Its present culture is nowt but a microwaved, batchery grown, 57 variety of races, mismashed into a polished facsimile of all the worlds people... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Given time it will grow and have a culture of its own, leave it another 300 years and then we will see... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You haven't understood a word of what was posted here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

MrBlueSky1960
02-02-2008, 11:29 AM
You haven't understood a word of what was posted here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Then Sir I would be interested for you to explain to me so I might...

HerrGraf
02-02-2008, 10:27 PM
What praytell does any of the last page and half have to do with hamburgers?

While I think "In N Out Burgers" are ok, I used to love "Nations Burgers" up in the S.F. area.

Blood_Splat
02-02-2008, 10:51 PM
Nothing beats a bar burger hehe.

Copperhead311th
02-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
Copper' have you ever been to Glencoe, if not get your behind over ther. It is one of the most staggeringly beautiful places on the globe.

If you have any decent mountaineering experience come in winter, bring axes and crampons and traverse the Aonach Eagach ridge, it's mindblowingly good.

Might be a good time to drop the Campbell thing though, sins of the father and all that is so old testiment.

Aye, i'm going to. And i'm going to walk into the Pub and sit in the shadow of me ansestors byby the light of a warm fire in me Tartan and have me a nice pint. And i'll be quite comfortable too...ya see there's sighn above the door there still reads to this day. "No Hawkers or Campbells Allowed"

'tis true!

But serously, the Clan has a pilgramage there every 2 years or so. i just havn't been able to afford it. it's so expensive. and it's a week long tour through the lowlands, on up through the glens. Stoping st most of this hsitoric sites including Henderson Castel in Fordel. Which i REALLY want to see. and the every one stops and kisses the Henderson weeping stone.
honsetly i doubt a week would do it for me. I could spend an entire month just in the Library at the Lord Lyon Court reading over the old law books & reseaching Arms.

Copperhead311th
02-03-2008, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
You haven't understood a word of what was posted here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Then Sir I would be interested for you to explain to me so I might... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's difficult to explain things to Morrons and the English. or so i've been told. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

luftluuver
02-03-2008, 04:32 AM
Yes the Donald's were angels.

Battle of the Spoiling **** 1578. The MacDonalds of Uist barred the doors of Trumpan Church, or Kilconan Church as it was once known, east of the shores of Ardmore Bay. They then set fire to the church full of worshipers. No one escaped alive except one girl who, although mortally wounded, managed to give the alarm. On hearing the news, the Chief of Clan MacLeod and his men set off for Ardmore bay where a battle ensued. The MacDonalds were killed almost to a man. The corpses of the MacDonalds were dragged and then buried in a turf ****, and the incident remembered as the "Battle of the Spoiling ****".

Seems the Donald's had a yellow stripe up their back.

A number of MacDonalds were killed at Culloden although many of them left the field after seeing the slaughter of other clans who charged the government lines before them.

Not to many Campbells in the Earl of Argyll's Regiment of Foot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Argyll's_Regiment_of_Foot

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 06:51 AM
So how far into that buzzsaw do you think you can stick you nose into and still get it
all back out, LL?

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 06:56 AM
Hey Copper! Is MacDonald, McDonald, O'Donald, O'Donnel --- any/all of them related?
I've got O'Donnel in part of one side but no MacDonalds, McDonalds or Campbells.

Important part is am I "safe" from the feeee-ewd?

luftluuver
02-03-2008, 07:24 AM
I hate to admit it Maxie but I am related to C'head. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Thank Cocidius it is a very, very distant relationship. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
02-03-2008, 08:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:

quote:

You haven't understood a word of what was posted here.


Then Sir I would be interested for you to explain to me so I might...

Hey Mr Blue... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"We should all buy American made products, which at last check are down to porn and cheeseburgers..."

Peter Griffin

Copperhead311th
02-03-2008, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:

quote:

You haven't understood a word of what was posted here.


Then Sir I would be interested for you to explain to me so I might...

Hey Mr Blue... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"We should all buy American made products, which at last check are down to porn and cheeseburgers..."

Peter Griffin </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We're not part of Clan Donald. We just lived on thier lands after ours were striped by the Bruce. While there were Mariges between the Clan MacEanruig *pronounced:McKendrick* Translates to Henderson in English) they were entirely two seperate clans.
MacIan and MacDonald are related however. Which was unfortunate for everyone in the Glen that morning. Because the Kings men really didn't care. niether did the Campbells who were with them. And it matters not how many Campbells were with them, the fact that Campbells were even there is what was important. the real crime here, and what makes this so heainous..is that under Scots Law, it waas the worst type of murder. Known as Murder Under Trust. And it was so in that these meen were invited into the thier homes, and provided with food and shelter from the harsh winter for OVER 12 DAYS before they fell upon them. And Highland tradition and culture was that you not refuse anyone durring the winter months. And so when these men, the troops of William of Orange (King William the III) apreard in the glen in the dead of winter seeking warmth and protection, they were taken in as family and provided food, and shelter despite the fact that they had Campells in thier number, thye were all still treated in the Highland way. To wich they repaid thier host in a most doubious way. Which is why the Campbells are still hated to this day by MANY.
becuase the Campbells, being highlanders themselvs KNEW better. They could't resist the oppertunity to get at the Donalds with out retribution becuse they thougth that they would be protected under the law becuse they were ""following orders"".

@ Luftfluber: i don't know the story about which you are talking...i'll have to look it up. But i never said the Donalds were angels by any means. But it is important to note that Clan Campbell was in a unique position at the time of the of the Massacre @ Glenco, in the fact that several of the Campells were in high positions in the goverment....IE holding postions in the Court and in the Privey Council at the time. Positions they could use to thier obviuos advantage.

@ M_Guns:
O'Donnel is Irish. not sure. lots of O'Donnels on ths islands.

Copperhead311th
02-03-2008, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
I hate to admit it Maxie but I am related to C'head. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Thank Cocidius it is a very, very distant relationship. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes well unfortunatly for you......
your swimming at the shallow end of the gene pool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

luftluuver
02-03-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
I hate to admit it Maxie but I am related to C'head. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Thank Cocidius it is a very, very distant relationship. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes well unfortunatly for you......
your swimming at the shallow end of the gene pool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What ever you say half breed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif My blood is not contaminated, being pure celtic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

In 1688, William, glad to enlist British help in his wars with France, accepted the invitation to take the throne of the Kingdom of England. The Scottish Parliament was more cautious and invited letters from him and James VII (ousted as James II of England). When the arrogant response from James persuaded the Scots to accept William, John Graham, 1st Viscount of Dundee, led Scottish Highlanders in Jacobite uprisings in an attempt to return the throne to King James. Dundee was killed at the Battle of Killiecrankie, and the rising in Scotland suffered inconclusive defeat at the Battle of Dunkeld. On their way home from this battle, the MacIains of Glencoe, a sept of Clan MacDonald, together with their Glengarry cousins, looted the lands of Robert Campbell of Glenlyon and stole his livestock

Holtzauge
02-03-2008, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
I hate to admit it Maxie but I am related to C'head. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Thank Cocidius it is a very, very distant relationship. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes well unfortunatly for you......
your swimming at the shallow end of the gene pool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What ever you say half breed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif My blood is not contaminated, being pure celtic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

In 1688, William, glad to enlist British help in his wars with France, accepted the invitation to take the throne of the Kingdom of England. The Scottish Parliament was more cautious and invited letters from him and James VII (ousted as James II of England). When the arrogant response from James persuaded the Scots to accept William, John Graham, 1st Viscount of Dundee, led Scottish Highlanders in Jacobite uprisings in an attempt to return the throne to King James. Dundee was killed at the Battle of Killiecrankie, and the rising in Scotland suffered inconclusive defeat at the Battle of Dunkeld. On their way home from this battle, the MacIains of Glencoe, a sept of Clan MacDonald, together with their Glengarry cousins, looted the lands of Robert Campbell of Glenlyon and stole his livestock </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I have some happy news for you both. You are related since you are both Indo-Europeans (sub group Caucasian?).

By latest geneological research, all Indo-Europeans are decendants of a group of about 150 people that left Africa and migrated out into the rest of the world.

Congratulations!

Pirschjaeger
02-03-2008, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
My blood is not contaminated, being pure celtic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


But if you marry outside your clan your future generations will walk upright. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Sorry, just couldn't help myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Um, I'll get my coat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Fritz

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 02:22 PM
I made burgers today out of mixed ground beef and Italian hot sausage.
Also some tarragon, sage and salt.
Very tasty and they hold together well.

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Um, I'll get my coat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Fritz

Keep your eyes peeled for armed naked blue people with their hair up in white spikes.
They should get to your door any time now so don't dally, run!

Pirschjaeger
02-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Um, I'll get my coat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Fritz

Keep your eyes peeled for armed naked blue people with their hair up in white spikes.
They should get to your door any time now so don't dally, run! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No problem. I am highly skilled in the art of kilted warfare. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"Luuk! There be a Campbell beyond the wuuuds!"

Then I run. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 07:20 PM
Oh the blue-dyed Celts with the lye-stiffened hair date waaaaayyy before then!
That was back when they pretty much owned Western Europe and were fighting the Romans.

Messaschnitzel
02-03-2008, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Oh the blue-dyed Celts with the lye-stiffened hair date waaaaayyy before then!
That was back when they pretty much owned Western Europe and were fighting the Romans.

Here is a period illustration of a famous Celtic hero giving battle instructions to his troops. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://www.mutantreviewers.com/rbraveheart4.jpg

Copperhead311th
02-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
I hate to admit it Maxie but I am related to C'head. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Thank Cocidius it is a very, very distant relationship. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes well unfortunatly for you......
your swimming at the shallow end of the gene pool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What ever you say half breed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif My blood is not contaminated, being pure celtic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

In 1688, William, glad to enlist British help in his wars with France, accepted the invitation to take the throne of the Kingdom of England. The Scottish Parliament was more cautious and invited letters from him and James VII (ousted as James II of England). When the arrogant response from James persuaded the Scots to accept William, John Graham, 1st Viscount of Dundee, led Scottish Highlanders in Jacobite uprisings in an attempt to return the throne to King James. Dundee was killed at the Battle of Killiecrankie, and the rising in Scotland suffered inconclusive defeat at the Battle of Dunkeld. On their way home from this battle, the MacIains of Glencoe, a sept of Clan MacDonald, together with their Glengarry cousins, looted the lands of Robert Campbell of Glenlyon and stole his livestock </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol haha nice try bub. but ya better go back farther than than...it was the Campbells who started the whole fued in the 1100's when one of them raped a 10 year old MacDonald girl, who he happend upon fetching water. and cattle is the spoil of war in the highlands.

M_Gunz
02-04-2008, 01:21 AM
Another 2000-3000 years and a little 'luck' and it'll be McDonalds and Campbells feuding
at the Palestine vs Israel level, all over "my revenge is bigger than your crime, nyahh".

But don't lose your pride, it might spoil everything.

Pirschjaeger
02-04-2008, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Oh the blue-dyed Celts with the lye-stiffened hair date waaaaayyy before then!
That was back when they pretty much owned Western Europe and were fighting the Romans.

Oh, you mean the good guys. I actually live at the base of an Celtic oppidium that dates back to before the Roman arrived.

Fritz

M_Gunz
02-04-2008, 03:05 AM
I'm not up on all the invasions back then and my main memorable source was a long Nat Geo
article but at one time the Celts were supposed to occupy most at least of France and a
good bit of Germany or thereabouts. I dunno just how the Gauls fit in, the Romans were
in Italy, Greece and about half the known world IIRC. There were Gaels, Brits and Saxons
and Picts who did they get wiped out totally I dunno for sure. But just when and where and
where-when as over centuries groups got moved, some marginalized and loads of change.

Celt art and craftsmanship examples I've seen are involved and intriguing, also solid.
Smithing was supposed to be akin to magic as was medicine. I'm not sure if the Wikka were
Celts or just what religion they had.

Oh well, more to learn about, I shouldn't be bored any time soon.

Pirschjaeger
02-04-2008, 03:49 AM
My location is not so far from Nuernburg. It's almost east Germany (not DDR). The mountain (Staffelberg) used to be a Celt settlement going back over 5000 years. The top of the mountain is flat, hence the name, and used to be somewhat fortified.

The local museum here has a lot of Celt artifacts found from around the mountain.

Today there is a church on the top with crosses erected at each corner of the plateau. Not surprisingly, all traces of the Celts have been removed.

Fritz

luftluuver
02-04-2008, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
lol haha nice try bub. but ya better go back farther than than...it was the Campbells who started the whole fued in the 1100's when one of them raped a 10 year old MacDonald girl, who he happend upon fetching water. and cattle is the spoil of war in the highlands.
You need to brush up on your history half breed.

Campbell
The origins of Clan Campbell are uncertain. The earliest attested Campbell is Gilleasbaig of Menstrie (floruit 1260s}, father of Cailean Mór, from whom the chiefs of the clan are thought to have taken their style MacCailean Mór.

Donald
Clan Donald traces its descent from Domhnall mac Raghnaill (d. circa 1250),[1] whose father Reginald or Ranald was styled "King of the Isles" and "Lord of Argyll and Kintrye".

Pirschjaeger
02-04-2008, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
Gilleasbaig of Menstrie

I think I would change my name. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

MrBlueSky1960
02-04-2008, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
So again just becuse you know nothing of American Culture....

Lemming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Lemmings Suicide Myth

One myth deeply entrenched in our language is that of the "Lemming Suicide Plunge" - where lemmings, apparently overcome by deep-rooted impulses, deliberately run over a cliff in their millions, to be dashed to their deaths on the rocks below, or to drown in the raging ocean. Indeed, this myth is now a metaphor for the behaviour of crowds of people who foolishly follow each other, lemming-like, regardless of the consequences. This particular myth began with a Disney movie.

Lemmings belong to the rodents. Rodents have been around for about 57 million years. Today, about half of all the individuals mammals on Earth are rodents. There are four genera of lemmings - Collared Lemmings, "True" Lemmings, Wood or Red-Backed Lemmings and Bog Lemmings. They are found in the cooler northern parts of Eurasia and North America. The True Lemming is about 10 cm long, with short legs and tail.

Many of the rodents have strange population explosions. One such event in the Central Valley of California in 1926-27 had mouse populations reaching around 200,000 per hectare (about 20 mice per square metre). In France between 1790 and 1935, there were at least 20 mouse plagues. But lemmings have the most regular fluctuations - these population explosions happen every three or four years. The numbers rocket up, and then drop almost to extinction. Even after three-quarters of a century of intensive research, we don't fully understand why their populations fluctuate so much. Various factors (change in food availability, climate, density of predators, stress of overcrowding, infectious diseases, snow conditions, sunspots, etc) have all been put forward, but none completely explain what is going on.

Back in the 1530s, the geographer Zeigler of Strasbourg, tried to explain these variations in populations by saying that lemmings fell out of the sky in stormy weather, and then suffered mass extinctions with the sprouting of the grasses of spring. Back in the 19th century, the Naturalist Edward Nelson wrote that "the Norton Sound Eskimo have an odd superstition that the White Lemming lives in the land beyond the stars and that it sometimes comes down to the earth, descending in a spiral course during snow-storms." But none of the Intuit stories mention the "suicide leaps off cliffs".

When these population explosions happen, the lemming migrate away from the denser centres. The migrations begin slowly and erratically, with an evolution from small numbers moving at night, to larger groups in the daytime. The most dramatic movements happen with the True Lemmings (also called the Norway Lemming). Even so, they do not form a continuous mass, but instead travel in groups with gaps of 10 minutes or more between them. They tend to follow roads and paths. Lemmings avoid water, and will usually scout around for a land crossing. But if they have to, they will swim. Their swimming ability is such that they can cross a 200 metre body of water on a calm night, but most will drown in a windy night.

So lemmings do have their regular wild fluctuations in population - and when the numbers are high, the lemmings do migrate.

The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.

So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming...

And in the end, isn't it all B#llicks anyway... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

M_Gunz
02-04-2008, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
My location is not so far from Nuernburg. It's almost east Germany (not DDR). The mountain (Staffelberg) used to be a Celt settlement going back over 5000 years. The top of the mountain is flat, hence the name, and used to be somewhat fortified.

The local museum here has a lot of Celt artifacts found from around the mountain.

Today there is a church on the top with crosses erected at each corner of the plateau. Not surprisingly, all traces of the Celts have been removed.

Fritz

Wow, for some reason I was thinking "the Highlands"->Scotland when I shoulda known better!

Yeah the really ugly side of religion is revealed when it becomes politics.

Charos
02-05-2008, 12:59 AM
Yes thats all well and good but your all forgetting that it was the Nazi's who took the Hamburger to its ultimate conclusion.

I Present the FLYING HAMBURGER (http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r033.html)

Copperhead311th
02-05-2008, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
lol haha nice try bub. but ya better go back farther than than...it was the Campbells who started the whole fued in the 1100's when one of them raped a 10 year old MacDonald girl, who he happend upon fetching water. and cattle is the spoil of war in the highlands.
You need to brush up on your history half breed.

Campbell
The origins of Clan Campbell are uncertain. The earliest attested Campbell is Gilleasbaig of Menstrie (floruit 1260s}, father of Cailean Mór, from whom the chiefs of the clan are thought to have taken their style MacCailean Mór.

Donald
Clan Donald traces its descent from Domhnall mac Raghnaill (d. circa 1250),[1] whose father Reginald or Ranald was styled "King of the Isles" and "Lord of Argyll and Kintrye". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well ok so shoot me. i was off by 100+ years or so. hell wasn't likei was lllokg right at the information as i was typing i was going by memory.

But FYI we're older than Clan Donald & Campbell both.
From the Clan Henderson web site:


Our ancestors in Glencoe are as old a family as any clan in the Highlands. Through them we claim descent from Eanruig Mor Mac Righ Neachtan -- Big Henry, son of King Nectan (King of Picts in 710) -- who settled the southern shore of Loch Leven. Although it would be difficult to pinpoint when the MacEanruig Chiefs first held the land embracing Glencoe, they held the Chiefship there for three centuries before King Robert the Bruce granted lordship of Glencoe to Angus of the Isles for his support at Bannockburn in 1314.
The last Henderson Chief at Glencoe was Dugald MacEanruig. The chiefship passed as a result of his daughter's marriage into Clan Donald. Iain, Her son and progenitor to the MacIans, established the MacEanruigs as the hereditary pipers for the MacDonalds of Glencoe. At the time of the Massacre, our Gaelic-speaking ancestors were the bodyguard to the Chief of Glencoe.

M_Gunz
02-05-2008, 04:53 AM
Any you'll never be truly happy till the last Campbell is dead.