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Celeon999
08-07-2007, 05:49 AM
Well, now that the final system requirements for Bioshock have been published....

I realize that the time has come to send my old ATI X850XT into retirement.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Reason : Shader Model 3.0 is requiered


I was close to ordering a ATI X1950 XT with 265 MB Ram as i noticed that this card does not support DX10 or Windows Vista.


Although im running XP and am not planning to change to Vista anytime soon.....i have a feeling that i would buy a lame duck by taking that one. (You know , DX10 arriving, Vista slowly but surely taking over in the future once Service Packs will be available)

Another option would be a ATI HD2600XT (A 2900 is too expensive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif)

Im a bit confused now...it seems that the HD2600XT , although being the newer card (DX10 compatible, Shader Model 4.0) is cheaper than a X1950XT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Ive also read in a hardware forum that a X1950XT is faster. (But as stated above, Only a DirectX 9 card)


What would you advice ?

Does it make sense to still buy a DX9 card ?

Or will i have to face that one year later all games will require DX10 and Vista ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif


I dont want to invest more than 180€ as maximum...and want to buy a card with at least 2 years of future in the gaming world. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Not just 8 months or so...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Is the HD2600XT a "fast" card for gamers ? Or is it as slow as the price suggests (only 150 €) and a waste of money ?

There is only the HD2900XT as the next step above and the price begins at 330 and ends with 680 € http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

I dont want to invest that much http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

VikingGrandad
08-07-2007, 06:34 AM
This might help: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-video-cards-money-UK,review-2379.html

I'm going for an Nvidia 8800 GTS soon (plus new CPU and motherboard, I hope)

VikingGrandad
08-07-2007, 06:58 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
Also, I heard that an unofficial version of DX10 is being created to work on Windows XP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Another reason not to go to the expense of upgrading to Vista http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Celeon999
08-07-2007, 07:04 AM
Hmmm...its true what the article says.

About DX9 support still staying for some time...

But on the other hand buying that X1950XT instantly kills off any Vista option for the next 1 1/2 years...


And it also doesnt take into account what DX10 means, .. ive seen tech demos of DX10 in action (expecially rendering water in Bioshock)

and... : http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Thats the future http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


oh man....Once again the choice isnt easy..

It seems there is once again no golden way here .

Looks like a choice between DX10 with limited power or high power without DX10

At least for anyone who isnt willing to invest at least 350 € into a graphics card. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

bunkerratt
08-07-2007, 08:45 AM
i would wait untill around the holidays ..ati should have a 2900 pro version out at about the 200/250 usd range for christmas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Celeon999
08-07-2007, 09:33 AM
But Bioshock gets released this month http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

It will not run at all with my Shader Model 2.0+ card. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Thats my dilemma



What do you guys think about the 8600 GTS ?

By the way :

Found this pic. Flight Simulator X

Above DX9

Beyond DX10 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

EDIT : Forget it. I just saw that this is a "Artist Concept" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The article said nothing about this "insignificant little detail" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/310/800xjs9.jpg

Realjambo
08-07-2007, 09:48 AM
I'm going for an Nvidia 8800 GTS soon


Me too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Celeon999
08-07-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm going for an Nvidia 8800 GTS soon


Me too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which version ?

The 320 MB or 640 ?

Hmmmmm...250 €....i think i could survive this......

Anyone knows if my 350 watts PSU will be enough to handle that ?

VikingGrandad
08-07-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm going for an Nvidia 8800 GTS soon


Me too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which version ?

The 320 MB or 640 ?

Hmmmmm...250 €....i think i could survive this......

Anyone knows if my 350 watts PSU will be enough to handle that ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm hoping to get a 640MB, but expecting to get a 320MB...

350 Watts - I seriosuoy doubt that will be enough, but I'm not an expert. I have a really good website bookmarked at home that calculates PSU requirements based on your hardware specs. I'll post it here when I get home from work.

Realjambo
08-07-2007, 10:38 AM
I think you're 350w PSU would struggle Celeon to be honest. I had to change my old 350w when I went from a 5700LE to a 6600GT as it couldn't cope. I now have a Hiper 520w and it runs my 7900GT OK, but that was after trying to get away with 450w PSU. The 8800GTS is going to be pretty power hungry I'd say.

Personally I'll probably go for the 320MB 8800GTS, prices in the UK start about 180, and the 640MB about 250.

My favourite PC kit store - 8800's (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/search/?qfind=8800gts&x=0&y=0)

PS: It's worth checking out the warranties different manufacturers offer - for example, XFX offer a lifetime warranty so I try to go with them for gfx cards.

Celeon999
08-07-2007, 10:56 AM
350 Watts - I seriosuoy doubt that will be enough, but I'm not an expert. I have a really good website bookmarked at home that calculates PSU requirements based on your hardware specs. I'll post it here when I get home from work.


That would be great, thx http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I think you're 350w PSU would struggle Celeon to be honest. I had to change my old 350w when I went from a 5700LE to a 6600GT as it couldn't cope. I now have a Hiper 520w and it runs my 7900GT OK, but that was after trying to get away with 450w PSU. The 8800GTS is going to be pretty power hungry I'd say.


Somehow i knew that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

andy3536
08-07-2007, 01:08 PM
8800 gts 320 here.
From what i've understood from the forums at http://forums.hexus.net/index.php there's not enough difference between the 640 and the 320 to warrent the price difference. Only improve by an average of 4 fps.
Go for 8800 gts 320 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bunkerratt
08-07-2007, 01:36 PM
you should look at the location of the pcie slot on the motherboard and check the length of the card . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif you may have to move the location for the hdd

Celeon999
08-07-2007, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by bunkerratt:
you should look at the location of the pcie slot on the motherboard and check the length of the card . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif you may have to move the location for the hdd

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

My problems never end http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Hach where are those C-64 days ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

MarkSynthesis
08-07-2007, 02:32 PM
Celeon, keep in mind...DX10 cards are not a necessity by any means, and they probably won't be for another year or so.

Right now, there are only two or three games that actually take advantage of "DX10 features", and the actual graphics drivers haven't been released (and they probably won't be for a LONG time).

The X1950 is a good card--still, if you think this is the one time you're going to upgrade for a few years, a 2900XT will definitely future proof you for a while. Or you might want to wait a bit for cheaper DX10 cards to come out from Radeon.

However, the X1950 will be able to handle games for more than two years--so long as you have a good CPU and plenty of RAM.

Either way, you'll need a new PSU. And the X1950XT and the 2600-series cards are both double-slot cards (very large, and very long).

I own an X1900XT, 512, which I can clock to X1950 speeds if necessary. Despite having a slow CPU (AMD Opteron 64, damn useless dual-cores), I can handle games very well with it.

And don't worry, Vista requirement in games won't be coming around for a few years--right now, the only Vista-only title I can think of is the PC version of Halo 2--even flagship games like MS FSX are available on XP.

andy3536
08-07-2007, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by MarkSynthesis:
Celeon, keep in mind...DX10 cards are not a necessity by any means, and they probably won't be for another year or so.

Right now, there are only two or three games that actually take advantage of "DX10 features", and the actual graphics drivers haven't been released (and they probably won't be for a LONG time).

The X1950 is a good card--still, if you think this is the one time you're going to upgrade for a few years, a 2900XT will definitely future proof you for a while. Or you might want to wait a bit for cheaper DX10 cards to come out from Radeon.

However, the X1950 will be able to handle games for more than two years--so long as you have a good CPU and plenty of RAM.

Either way, you'll need a new PSU. And the X1950XT and the 2600-series cards are both double-slot cards (very large, and very long).

I own an X1900XT, 512, which I can clock to X1950 speeds if necessary. Despite having a slow CPU (AMD Opteron 64, damn useless dual-cores), I can handle games very well with it.

And don't worry, Vista requirement in games won't be coming around for a few years--right now, the only Vista-only title I can think of is the PC version of Halo 2--even flagship games like MS FSX are available on XP.


When you say there isn't the graghics drivers for dx10, why then have they gone to the trouble with company of heroes to create a dx10 patch (1.7) With which the latest vista drivers for the 8 series 162.22 work perfectly fine (and i do have the game at 1.7)?
And the there is halo which is dx10 only.
Surely if the drivers didn't work with dx10 then the games wouldn't work?

VikingGrandad
08-07-2007, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">350 Watts - I seriosuoy doubt that will be enough, but I'm not an expert. I have a really good website bookmarked at home that calculates PSU requirements based on your hardware specs. I'll post it here when I get home from work.

That would be great, thx http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you go:

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp

(got to 'eXtreme Power Supply Calculator' then 'Lite version' which is free to use)

I'm not sure whether the result it gives you is the minimum power requirement, or a more 'comfortable' power requirement. I guess it's a good thing to have a bit more 'wattage' than you need, so that the PSU doesn't have to work at 100% capacity.

bf2player2006
08-07-2007, 05:24 PM
from my perspective, the 8800 is total BS!

the 7950GTX2 is just as good as the 8800 and from what ive seen costs less... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

nVidia FTW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

id rather wait till next year when vista is worth it and i can get a new comp and replace my crappy 03' PC -.-

MarkSynthesis
08-07-2007, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by andy3536:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarkSynthesis:
Celeon, keep in mind...DX10 cards are not a necessity by any means, and they probably won't be for another year or so.

Right now, there are only two or three games that actually take advantage of "DX10 features", and the actual graphics drivers haven't been released (and they probably won't be for a LONG time).

The X1950 is a good card--still, if you think this is the one time you're going to upgrade for a few years, a 2900XT will definitely future proof you for a while. Or you might want to wait a bit for cheaper DX10 cards to come out from Radeon.

However, the X1950 will be able to handle games for more than two years--so long as you have a good CPU and plenty of RAM.

Either way, you'll need a new PSU. And the X1950XT and the 2600-series cards are both double-slot cards (very large, and very long).

I own an X1900XT, 512, which I can clock to X1950 speeds if necessary. Despite having a slow CPU (AMD Opteron 64, damn useless dual-cores), I can handle games very well with it.

And don't worry, Vista requirement in games won't be coming around for a few years--right now, the only Vista-only title I can think of is the PC version of Halo 2--even flagship games like MS FSX are available on XP.


When you say there isn't the graghics drivers for dx10, why then have they gone to the trouble with company of heroes to create a dx10 patch (1.7) With which the latest vista drivers for the 8 series 162.22 work perfectly fine (and i do have the game at 1.7)?
And the there is halo which is dx10 only.
Surely if the drivers didn't work with dx10 then the games wouldn't work? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm operating on the principle of how long it took for DX9 to actually enter common use--heck, there are still plenty of modern games that have DX8 compatibility modes. You wouldn't WANT to run them in full-DX8 mode, or even with DX8 shaders if you could avoid it, but it's still very much doable.

What I'm talking about is that only two or three games (including Company of Heroes) actually take advantage of DX10 presently, and even with major titles like CRYSIS, you're still going to have the overwhelming majority of games only using DX9 (and pretty much all games will be playable on DX9).

The fact is, right now, DX10 is not even remotely necessary....it's really cool, granted, but it's not going to become a required standard for years. That, and the currently existing DX10 cards still have some serious compatibility issues (at least, the Ge Force 8800 does, and I assume the same is true for Radeon 2900). There are still a lot of complaints about graphical issues with the 8800, particularly in games that use older engines (like IL-2 Sturmovik).

Celeon999
08-08-2007, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by VikingGrandad:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">350 Watts - I seriosuoy doubt that will be enough, but I'm not an expert. I have a really good website bookmarked at home that calculates PSU requirements based on your hardware specs. I'll post it here when I get home from work.

That would be great, thx http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you go:

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp

(got to 'eXtreme Power Supply Calculator' then 'Lite version' which is free to use)

I'm not sure whether the result it gives you is the minimum power requirement, or a more 'comfortable' power requirement. I guess it's a good thing to have a bit more 'wattage' than you need, so that the PSU doesn't have to work at 100% capacity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



It seems my system doesnt have that much power demand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Athlon XP 64 3500+ (2,2 GHZ)
2 GB Ram
Two simple IDE hardisk
One DVD Burner
Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
Two fans
4 blue cathodes

Even when i add the 8800 GTS now it calculates me a power demand of 325 Watts...

But as you told me that you already had troubles with your power demand, its surely better to buy me a more powerful PSU.

I gonna need it anyway at some point in the future right ?

Messervy
08-08-2007, 04:37 AM
Make sure you get one with full PCI-express connectors.
For the sake of the future.
A good PSU should last some five years and by that time you'll surely change Mobo and CPU.

Getting a decent powerfull PSU is the safest investment in hardware.

Messervy suggests a Tagan. Allthou built in China it's still German engineering. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Celeon999
08-08-2007, 06:20 AM
Ive made a deal with my dad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

He gets my old PSU and graphics card and takes 50 % of my costs along with some new hardware for himself at seperate costs ( He needs a PCIe board and therefore a new processor too) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


Im going for : http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Tagan TG600-U33 - 2Force Series - 600 Watt PSU

and

Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP 320 MB

So i get enough power and DX10 capability (Just in case http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Crysis is on the horizon you know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6748/jaxvga2wb4.jpg

VikingGrandad
08-08-2007, 06:41 AM
I'm going for BFG's 320MB 8800 GTS. Custom PC magazine reckons that this is currently the best 320MB 8800 GTS on the market - I can't remember why though! (I'll check)

http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr88320gtsoc2e.aspx

Celeon999
08-08-2007, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by VikingGrandad:
I'm going for BFG's 320MB 8800 GTS. Custom PC magazine reckons that this is currently the best 320MB 8800 GTS on the market - I can't remember why though! (I'll check)

http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr88320gtsoc2e.aspx


Hmmm,... exactly the same price as the one from Asus and XFX here.

I could take any of them.....ordering tomorrow so i still have time to make a decision http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Deepbluewolf
08-08-2007, 07:28 AM
selling my GForce 5700 really cheap if youre interested Celeon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

its the best in the market http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif i used it to help design new airplanes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

the only reason to sell it really is because now i wnat to design space ships http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

(and because of a frame rate of sometimes 2)


real cheap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif the deal of your life i promise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Liddabit
08-08-2007, 07:30 AM
Good you are goign with Nvidia, the latest generation of ATI is giving me tons of trouble with overheating. I have to have a room fan blowing on the open case or I get massive artifact problems.

I wouldn't go by that site's power reccomendation. Get a powersuppy that Nvidia says supports the card and has the dual 12v rails.

Celeon999
08-08-2007, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Deepbluewolf:
selling my GForce 5700 really cheap if youre interested Celeon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

its the best in the market http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif i used it to help design new airplanes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

the only reason to sell it really is because now i wnat to design space ships http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

(and because of a frame rate of sometimes 2)


real cheap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif the deal of your life i promise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sorry, but i have to thankfully reject the offer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now that i tasted the blood of my targeted prey...i cant go back http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Is DBW interested in buying....data... which helped to design ...certain aircraft....somewhere...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Celeon can offer you a good deal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

But you need to translate it yourself......


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Anyway ....


I think i will go for the XFX one.

I just saw the results of a test between six 8800 GTS 320 cards : BFG,XFX, POV Gainward, Nvidia,MSI

All cards performed formidable and their scores were pretty close to each other but the XFX made it to place one with the best benchmark results in almost all of the tests http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Note : This means XFX was the best UNoverclocked one. The test did not take overclocking into account at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It seems that the BFG one has the most silent cooler of them all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Maverick_U2007
08-08-2007, 12:14 PM
I know you are more computer 'savvy' than I am but I would suggest that you do not make the same mistake that I made....

researched everything and bought an X1950pro (Purely to play SH4).... it arrived, HUGE but wouldn't fit into my rig....there was just not enough space...it was also suggested that I had to increase my CPU....

It is now sat on a shelf waiting for me to advertise it on ebay.

A lesson learnt!!!

Whatever you do get good luck with it.

Celeon999
08-08-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
I know you are more computer 'savvy' than I am but I would suggest that you do not make the same mistake that I made....

researched everything and bought an X1950pro (Purely to play SH4).... it arrived, HUGE but wouldn't fit into my rig....there was just not enough space...it was also suggested that I had to increase my CPU....

It is now sat on a shelf waiting for me to advertise it on ebay.

A lesson learnt!!!

Whatever you do get good luck with it.


Yep, ive already checked that. There is indeed a motherboard cooler block which made me headaches as i tried to install my current card.

It worked but there is not even a millimeter space between it and the card.

The new card will fit aswell as long as its massive active cooler case is not broader than the card itself. (It luckily isnt)

I guess that the designers thought about this issue as they designed the card. (CPU cooler manufacturers often do not)

I once had a board which made it impossible to install a certain CPU cooler because of its idiotic component placement. So i know your problem all too well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thats also why i want to wait until tomorrow before i order the new hardware. Experience tought me that is better to wait and think everything over as there is always a little detail left to think about and which can cause massive problems if it gets forgotten. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Realjambo
08-08-2007, 12:56 PM
I can relate to what you are saying Celeon. When I went to install my 7900GT I also ordered a few extras, in particular a heat sink form my Southbridge chip, but the 7900GT was such a size that I couldn't fit the heat sink as the two touched. I wish you luck with the 8800, I'll be ordering one soon too so I'll be interested to see how you get on! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/NOSouthbridgeheatsinkforme.jpg

Celeon999
08-08-2007, 01:13 PM
Oh yes that looks problematic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Here is my little headache giver

It is in direct contact with the cooler block but luckily deep enough in the slot.

Just a tiny little transistor looking over the edge of the graphics card at that spot behind the pcie slot and installment would become impossible.

Who plans something like that ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

They must know that PCIe cards might need a extra centimeter here or there. Why not place the mainboard chip somewhere else ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7868/pic0003fb0.jpg

VikingGrandad
08-08-2007, 03:49 PM
Celeon, here's that magazine clipping about the BFG 8800GTS I mentioned:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/VikingG/ff07e22e.jpg

Maybe the other 8800GTS cards you are looking at are pre-overclocked too? It might be worth comparing the specs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Realjambo
08-08-2007, 03:51 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Here's the link (http://scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=545050) to that card, from that retailer reviewed above.

And Celeon, I'm sure you know this, but never ever delve inside your PC case without one of these. I fried 2gb of ram once, fortunately I managed to get replacements free of charge - but I learnt my lesson!

Anti Static Wristband (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.aspx?sku=317429)

Oh and BTW, I can endorse that particular magazine VG has taken the clipping from - they seem to like printing the letters I send them and I recently won a Gigabyte PC Case from them too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Celeon999
08-09-2007, 05:52 AM
Just ordered http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The PSU was a tough choice.

Initially i wanted to buy a Enermax again but a lot of people have posted complains about their new Liberty series.

Have a 350W Enermax since 5 years now, and never any problems. Even its coolers are as silent as they were when i bought it.

But now i hear rather bad things of the Enermax Libertys going up in flames after 3 to 5 months or even after a few hours. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Then i thought about taking a Tagan with cable management feature. (Enermax offers that too)

But again a lot of complains about the cables being overall too short and the connectors isolation casing being too thick which creates a lot of problems in areas without much space.

In one case it was impossible to connect the power supply to a graphics card as the connectors were too close together.

http://www.pc-experience.de/Bilder-Reviews/Maxpoint14/tagan.22.jpg

So i ended up in buying the Targa ive mentioned above. Not knowing anything about it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Silent ? Loud ? stable ? no idea.

The PSU tests availabe on the net are at best confusing.

One test gave a "gold award" to the Enermax Liberty series while the costumer reports paint a different picture.

65% of users make http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif while the rest makes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif and says their PSU's commited suicide with a loud bang and smoke after just a few months. And that even without a huge power demand by their systems.

Celeon999
08-09-2007, 09:21 AM
Question :

I was looking for the Nvidia Forceware drivers and found several different ones :


Nvidia ForceWare 162.18 (GeForce FX/PCX + Geforce 6/7/8 Series) for Win XP

Nvidia ForceWare 158.22 ( Geforce 8300 - 8800) for WinXP

Nvidia ForceWare 93.71 (Geforce 8800 only) for Win XP

Three official drivers which all support my upcoming card ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I would choose the one made for the 8800 only but why are there two others supporting the 8 series ?

Why not one driver package for all like ATI does ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

andy3536
08-09-2007, 11:16 AM
I would guess that thers supported and desighned for.
If you go for the specific 8 series drivers you know it's made specificly for that card.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_162.18.html
This is the current one you should get if your running xp.

Celeon999
08-13-2007, 06:17 AM
Hardware has arrived http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif


The grapics card is a monster ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Its gigantic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And the PSU is invisible on Radar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Its case is made of original B-2 Spirit hull parts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


More pics to follow soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8554/pic0001de7.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2778/pic0002vl8.jpg

Celeon999
08-13-2007, 09:04 AM
New hardware running ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Both the graphics card's and the PSU's coolers are extremely quiet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Actually the card's cooler does not make any sound at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif . First i thought it doesnt run at all and made = http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

But it indeed runs....without any sound..dont ask me how they did this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Had some problems with the graphics card just a predicted by someone here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The card did fit but i had to re-position a harddrive as there was not enough space for the power connector. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Comparison :

My old Club3D Radeon X850XT

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6215/pic0004nu2.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4565/pic0005cp0.jpg

bunkerratt
08-13-2007, 10:24 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

andy3536
08-13-2007, 11:16 AM
Nice rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Looks like we have identical graghics cards.
Very nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Celeon999
08-13-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by andy3536:
Nice rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Looks like we have identical graghics cards.
Very nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Whats the temperature of your GPU ? (idle and under heavy gaming use)

Ive used Ntune to manually raise the graphics card cooler power from standard 60% to 80% now.

I have a idle GPU temperature of 70 degrees Celsius (162 degrees Fahrenheit) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

After some search on the net, it seems that this is normal for a 8800. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


After a few minutes of 3D usage it goes up to 80 degrees Celsius.

Thats really hot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Maybe i need to improve the overall airflow in my rig be adding a new ehhhmm.. suck...cooler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

andy3536
08-13-2007, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by andy3536:
Nice rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Looks like we have identical graghics cards.
Very nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Whats the temperature of your GPU ? (idle and under heavy gaming use)

Ive used Ntune to manually raise the graphics card cooler power from standard 60% to 80% now.

I have a idle GPU temperature of 70 degrees Celsius (162 degrees Fahrenheit) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

After some search on the net, it seems that this is normal for a 8800. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


After a few minutes of 3D usage it goes up to 80 degrees Celsius.

Thats really hot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Maybe i need to improve the overall airflow in my rig be adding a new ehhhmm.. suck...cooler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



It does seem a little on the warm side......
I don't have monitoring software installed to keep check on the gpu temp http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif and there can be quite a difference in readings between the different programs.
If you let me know what program your using to monitor your temps then i'll install that tommorow evening and let you know.
It'll give you a better picture of where your's is.

VikingGrandad
08-13-2007, 04:23 PM
It's not an ideal comparison, but my overclocked XFX 7600GT runs at around 60-62&deg;C most of the time. I use NVTray to check my GPU temp (and also to overclock the card and change its fan settings).

I haven't replaced the 7600GT's fan, and only have standard case cooling (2 rear exhaust fans), the Arctic Freezer Pro on my CPU and a Zalman heatsink on the chipset. My case is quite big and roomy inside, which I think helps with airflow, but I think it would run a lot cooler if I got some more fans installed.

I'm currently planning a PC upgrade (new graphics card, motherboard, CPU, memory, hard disks, case fans, CPU cooler, GPU cooler). The new graphics card will definitely be an 8800GTS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Anyway, the reason I'm telling you is that I've found a replacement for the 8800's fan which you may be interested in - the Thermalright HR-03 heatsink cooler, which is specifically designed for 8800 cards:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...&catid=57&subcat=787 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-038-TR&tool=3&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=787) (note the GPU temperatures stated by some of the customers)

The manufacturer's website recommends that a fan should also be fitted to the heatsink:

http://www.thermalright.com/product_default.htm (click the 'HR-03' link)

Apparently you can fit any 92mm fan, it doesn't have to be a special type.

There may be better replacement coolers available, but I'm having trouble finding any that specifically work with the 8800.

VikingGrandad
08-13-2007, 04:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I forgot to add a link to download NVTray:

http://nvtweak.laptopvideo2go.com/

fizilbert
08-14-2007, 07:23 AM
Where did you hear that Shader Model 3 was required? I haven't seen anything like that mentioned in the sys requirements I've seen. How the hell do you even find out what Shader you have?

Celeon999
08-14-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by fizilbert:
Where did you hear that Shader Model 3 was required? I haven't seen anything like that mentioned in the sys requirements I've seen. How the hell do you even find out what Shader you have?


From this thread in the official forums

LINK (http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1579)

It seems that all cards with Shader Model 2.0 are excluded from the minimum requirements list.

Somebody (in this thread) said that one of the Developers confirmed that Shadel Model 3.0 is requiered as minimum.


@ Viking

Thanks i will have a look at it.

So far ive removed the slot coverplate just beyond the graphics card which resulted in a drop of full 10 degrees Celsius http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It seems that this created a new air stream into the tower, especially directly towards the graphic card's cooler.

Im now at 61 degrees idle and 70 to 72 degrees under full 3D usage.

Celeon999
08-14-2007, 08:43 AM
By the way : 5687 points in 3DMark 06 (All tests activated)

Is that ok ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

andy3536
08-14-2007, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
By the way : 5687 points in 3DMark 06 (All tests activated)

Is that ok ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


It looks about right, just downloaded 3d mark 06 to compare but it doesn't want to work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

3d mark 05 works on mine but only uses 1 core of the cpu, score on that though normally comes out at 11800 - 11900.
Not knowing the rest of your system somewhere over 11000 would be good score to aim for!

Celeon999
08-15-2007, 07:51 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I want one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/features/perks/pen.jpg