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Osirisx9
10-08-2004, 04:09 PM
S~ all

There is a nice little P-40 vs Zeke server that might be up your alley. The server features the (P-40E and M) vs the ( A6M5 and A6M2). I chose these aircraft because they did fight each other in the pacific. The Zeke drivers will also have the use of a Ju87 or He111 to take care of the bombing duties. The server is called P-40s-vs-Zekes. My appologies to the P-51, P-38, and Ki84 drivers. There are a couple of other PTO servers on HL that feature these aircraft. I wanted to focus on the somewhat less powerfull birds and move away from 400+mph supperbirds and get back to basics. The Icons are reasonable 1K freindly and .5K foe. Salute to all and enjoy.

RAF238thOsiris

GR142_Astro
10-08-2004, 04:22 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. Always a treat to get away from the "supper" birds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

repoman11
10-09-2004, 12:55 AM
I had a good time there tonight. I hope it stays popular.

I don't usually make the cut on BOP servers, my ping is usually too high. But it stayed just under 300 with one exception.

Took one losing battle to remind me that I wasn't up against a 109. After that I did pretty well.

Bucketrider
10-09-2004, 01:14 AM
Tons of fun and I got spanked quite a bit by those Zeros. Definitely need the team work to get them down. Good company of players and refreshing to fly the P-40...Thanks!

Ketalar
10-09-2004, 01:15 AM
Osirisx9:
Thanks! I spotted the server in HL, if you leave it up (and I get decent pings) I'll probably be a regular. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Osirisx9
10-09-2004, 04:11 AM
S~ all. I'm glad that you all had a good time. I've always wanted to do matchups like that but I didn't know how well it would do. Anyway, I decided to take the plunge and host the server. The great thing about the older aircraft is that you are more at the mercy of your own vices and it forces you back to the basics of energy management and no nonsense piloting. You really have to know the strengths and weaknesses of your bird in order to survive. Plus, their performance envelopes seem to be allot closer to each other which makes it a very close and hard won fight every time you engage the enemy.
We are working like bees to get you some more maps on the server and will be uploading one or two today. We just want to run more tests on the maps to make sure that everything is working the way that it should. Also the server will stay up and running and the only thing we are going to do is just add new maps . The planesets and Icons will not change a bit. I relaxed the ping to make sure that those of you on the Pacific rim can get onto the server without getting kicked. We noticed that allot of pilots from Japan, Austraila, and New Zealand joined the server too and they actually flew the aircraft that were flown by their countrymen durring the war which was very cool in my opinion. Now the only thing that needs to happen is that us P-40 drivers need to remember not to try and climb away from the zeke in order to get away from him lol. I noticed that a few of us P-40 drivers learned that the hard way. There is more fun to be had so keep eye out on the server. BTW what are some more good tactics to deal with the Zeros in the P-40.Thanks again and enjoy the P-40s-vs-Zekes server.

RAF238thOsiris

BfHeFwMe
10-09-2004, 05:55 AM
It was fun, but our guys dropped out in short order, almost impossible to form up with a buddy without any names or call numbers at all for friendlies. We got burnt out forming up and losing wingmen among the wrong P-40's all around the area, and them constantly chasing us. Mass chaos, no organized wing tactics possible without any ID, so we switched servers. Nice server though, if your going in solo.

FI_Willie
10-09-2004, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>400+mph supperbirds <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I enjoy those things for supper myself.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

9th_Spitin
10-09-2004, 11:38 AM
Osirisx9,

Sounds like a great idea for a server, give me the IP and you will most likely see the 9th Flying Knights in there tonight. Hopefully the settings are hard and cockpit views only.

S~

diomedes33
10-09-2004, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142_Astro:
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Thanks for the heads up. Always a treat to get away from the "supper" birds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did I miss the patch with the TBF Avenger?

sorry couldn't resist.

Hawgdog
10-10-2004, 05:58 AM
I was in at one point there were 30some fliers.
Fun, made me re-hook up trackir. Maybe some names with the icons, but if you've got some kind of voice comms you should stay hooked up anyhow

CJ_Dogggie
10-10-2004, 08:52 PM
This sounds good.
Had a go on a P40 vs Zero server on UBI at one point and that was very enjoyable.

Love the P40.
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GR142_Astro
10-11-2004, 03:15 AM
Osiri,

I thought it would be fun and it was a blast. Me and 2 teamers went in blasted away till our eyeballs went red. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I fully agree with the other chap about friendly icons. Can we have them? Huh? Please? Even with TS comms we spent much of our time just trying to get into the same region of the map. Love the no enemy icons though. Big adrenaline rush when you look back and find a Zeke has snuck up on your 6 and is about to give you a nice 20mm sandwich.

Thanks again for setting this server up!

Kootenai
10-11-2004, 09:56 AM
Thanks for the server. Flew Zeroes there a bit and had some fun. Since you asked for tips on handling Zeroes in P40 Osiris, I'll share one that worked against me. I got on P40's tail and he went into a spiral dive and I couldn't follow him. Controls in Zero got heavy at higher speeds and the P40 was actually out-turning me to the point where I couldn't line up a shot. By the time we were on the deck he had increased the distance and was out of range of my guns. Now the advantage was his so I had to disengage.

TC_Stele
10-11-2004, 10:20 AM
Awesome server. This one is now my favorite out of all the very good servers out there.

However, is there a chance you can throw in the He-111 H2 for the Allied side since we dont have the B-25 yet?

muHamad-ALi
10-11-2004, 11:00 AM
zero owns the p40

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2004, 01:33 PM
teamwork and BnZ in P40's, own the zero.

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TX-WarHawk
10-11-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muHamad-ALi:
zero owns the p40 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea... right... last I read something like that, a Zero could take more than 2 seconds fire from P40's guns... total nonsense

9th_Spitin
10-11-2004, 01:45 PM
I agree about the friendly Icons and maybe 2 airstrips for each side so we aren't spawning in ontop of each other. I love the P-40's and would spend most my time in your server if you can add those few things.

Thanks for the P-40 vs Zeke server.

S~

TS_Quixote
10-11-2004, 08:35 PM
Another "Most Excellent" server and room set up! This room RAWKS =)

Cheers
TS_Quixote

GR142_Astro
10-11-2004, 10:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muHamad-ALi:
zero owns the p40 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I just about blew my soda pop down the keyboard!

WUAF_Badsight
10-11-2004, 10:46 PM
i know Astro , anybody who's seen a good p-40 flyer knows opposite http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)))

anyway onto more important matters . . .. . like whats up with the freindly icons needing to be on ?!?!?!?! i mean you have comms right ?

or did none of you ever fly any VEF ?
. . . . come on time to upskill guys . . . . . .

GR142_Astro
10-12-2004, 12:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
i know Astro , anybody who's seen a good p-40 flyer knows opposite http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)))

anyway onto more important matters . . .. . like whats up with the freindly icons needing to be on ?!?!?!?! i mean you have comms right ?

or did none of you ever fly any VEF ?
. . . . come on time to upskill guys . . . . . . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GUess I don't quite have your mad skillz yet Badsight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I should clarify. Friendly icons ARE on, I meant to request the use of the player NUMBER instead of the plane type. Anything to help you keep in contact with your wingies. Icons would be even shorter too.

WUAF_Badsight
10-12-2004, 12:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142_Astro:
GUess I don't quite have your mad skillz yet Badsight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats not what i was thinking the last time a GR142 wingman bagged me

but ive seen too many P-40s lose Zekes off their tail to say the Zero is a lot more dominant

maby a little but not by much & only in certian areas

Manta-269GA
10-12-2004, 01:44 AM
That' a great server! I really hope it won't become any easier with settings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif and the way icons are treated is great.

Thanks!

Osirisx9
10-12-2004, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
i know Astro , anybody who's seen a good p-40 flyer knows opposite http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)))

anyway onto more important matters . . .. . like whats up with the freindly icons needing to be on ?!?!?!?! i mean you have comms right ?

or did none of you ever fly any VEF ?
. . . . come on time to upskill guys . . . . . . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the past we tried to cater to individuals that claimed to like to fly Full Real. The only thing that acheived was making sure that the server was empty 98 percent of the time. They just simply went and flew on a server with some type of Icons enabled instead of contributing with ideas to make the full real server better. They simply see and empty server and wont join. No one is going to join a server that they think will remain empty or they will be the only individuals flying for hours alone. I'm not saying that you are one of these individuals, but it did happen and happens all the time. In fact we had a server totally devoted to full real pilots. Rembember BIRDS-OF-PREY and BIRDSOFPREY_FR??. We tried every kind of icon setting possible with little success.
I dont believe flying Full Real makes you a better pilot than someone who doesn't who doesn't fly Full Real. Is it more challenging? I would say yes that it is but flying full real with just two pilots on the server with the server taking the other slot is just not fun. Plus, it only means that you are good at flying full real in my opinion.
On a Full Real server, You can sit for hours on end waiting for someone to get on the server. I've not only experienced this on BIRDS-OF-PREy but on other servers that attempted to cater to FULL REAL. I actually preffer the term full switch BTW.Being a real pilot myself, I know that visibilty from a real cockpit is wayyy better than what is represented in FBAces.
On days when the Birds Of Prey full real server did fill up is because the core group that flys on the server have been flying with each other since CFS2 and we just usually hang out on comms shooting the breeze until we hop on the server. Once ten or fifteen of us hop on the server only then the server starts to fill. Since most of us have busy lives and have other things going on around us we haven't been able to get together the way we have in the past. Therefore we were not able to seed the server the way we used to and the BIRDS-OF-PREY server BIRDSOFPREY_FR servers will not fill themselves on their own. BTW allot of us fly on P-40s-vs-Zekes now and that server is not a full real server.

P-40s-vs-Zekes was never meant to be a full real server, and it will never turn into a full real server. It was inteneded to have two early war aircraft types that did fight against each other fight it out at the same time insuring that the pilots who visit the server are having a very good time. The Icon ranges will remain as they are now and the ranges are very reasonable. There is only one other popular server HL that has more strict icon settings, and that difference is very very small indeed. We will not change the server for a very small minority ( Full Real) in the community that barely attended a server designed for them. We at WarBirds Of Prey learned our lesson. We made every effort to cater to Full Real and it just didn't work out. Sorry but that is just the truth.
I will say it again, P-40s-vs-Zekes will not become a Full Real server. Icon ranges will remain the same. Other than running a Full Switch server, being inconsistant will kill a server just as fast. P-40s-vs-Zekes is a strait foward consitant server. There are just two aircraft available with a He111 or Ju87 to take the place of a val or betty. The P-40s, and Zekes. You have freindly Icons set at 1K and Foe Icons set at .5K and the Maps are different intresting, and challenging.

Respectfully
RAF238thOsiris

repoman11
10-12-2004, 11:37 AM
Badsight, not all of us can use coms. When your dialup connection is 28.8 at best (and you have no alternative) there is no bandwidth to spare for teamspeak.

Yes, you are at a heavy disadvantage against those who can use coms to coordinate attacks. I can usually guess this is the case when I find that no sooner do I get on an enemy's six than there are tracers all around, usually with a black screen to follow. But I can usually hold my own, and I manage to have fun anyway (mostly).

I'm sure I'm not alone in being unable to use teamspeak.

The icons are awfully short, I spend a fair amount of time chasing down other P-40's. On the plus side, they are visible right at the distance where you might consider squeezing off a burst, so I haven't opened up on a friendly, and don't expect to. This is the fear that kept me from no icon servers.

No icon servers are exclusively for teamplayers with teamspeak. For me, I spent all of my time trying to differentiate between friend and foe. All stress, no fun, not for me.

I'd prefer the icon settings that Greater Green has, but I can live with them as they are. But if the icons disappeared, so would I.

Osirisx9
10-12-2004, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by repoman11:
Badsight, not all of us can use coms. When your dialup connection is 28.8 at best (and you have no alternative) there is no bandwidth to spare for teamspeak.

Yes, you are at a heavy disadvantage against those who can use coms to coordinate attacks. I can usually guess this is the case when I find that no sooner do I get on an enemy's six than there are tracers all around, usually with a black screen to follow. But I can usually hold my own, and I manage to have fun anyway (mostly).

I'm sure I'm not alone in being unable to use teamspeak.

The icons are awfully short, I spend a fair amount of time chasing down other P-40's. On the plus side, they are visible right at the distance where you might consider squeezing off a burst, so I haven't opened up on a friendly, and don't expect to. This is the fear that kept me from no icon servers.

No icon servers are exclusively for teamplayers with teamspeak. For me, I spent all of my time trying to differentiate between friend and foe. All stress, no fun, not for me.

I'd prefer the icon settings that Greater Green has, but I can live with them as they are. But if the icons disappeared, so would I. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont worry , I'm not changing the Icons on this server.

RAF238thOsiris

Ketalar
10-12-2004, 03:34 PM
Osirisx9:
I've been flying on your server a couple of times the last days, and I've been having a blast. I admit I'm an avid lover of the P-40 family, so this is right down my alley.

I do have one wish though (and from asking on the server I'm not alone in this): Please consider adding friendly ID to the icons. I don't need names or distances, but I would like the icons to be something like P-40:10* to help promote teamwork and alerting team members of enemies.

If you feel this makes the icons too long then how about keeping the enemy icons as they are and just showing the friendly ID (not the plane type). That'd shorten it.


Thank you for this excellent server!

TX-WarHawk
10-12-2004, 04:36 PM
Even with short-range icons on, or not at all, it's easy for those who still got good eyes to notice the difference between a P40 and a Zero, first is wings, second is tail section, then it's just choosing your target. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ketalar
10-12-2004, 06:12 PM
Osirisx9:
Ok, just came back from an intense battle on the server. I love the new icons! Enemy icons untouched, friendly show names at 1.0 km. Excellent! Tonight's tour had more teamwork and warnings than before. Please go with these settings. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SheerLuckHolmes
10-13-2004, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-WarHawk:
Even with short-range icons on, or not at all, it's easy for those who still got good eyes to notice the difference between a P40 and a Zero, first is wings, second is tail section, then it's just choosing your target. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have good eyes, but my 3d-card is not that excellent... it is hard to tell differences between planes even at medium distances. I can tell the differences between planes about at 500 to 600m (same time I see icon on it), but it is fun place to fly anyway.
The com-voices would be nice to have. I flew there a few nights ago and though I managed to attack a "single" enemy, there were more enemies behind me in 20 seconds.Just quess what happens if I try to type word HELP and send it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Wish I had broadband...

GR142_Astro
10-13-2004, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
_Osirisx9:_
Ok, just came back from an intense battle on the server. I _love_ the new icons! Enemy icons untouched, friendly show names at 1.0 km. Excellent! Tonight's tour had more teamwork and warnings than before. Please go with these settings. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed.

Thanks for the friendly ID Osiris and thanks again for the server. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Ketalar
10-13-2004, 05:17 PM
Osirisx9:
Please look into the icons... I was just on the server and it's reverted back to showing friendly planetype, not names. This eliminates any chance of warning people, especially for us without comms. The teamplay tonight wasn't near the level it was yesterday.

Also, don't listen to the no-icon-whiners, if they don't like the short icons then they're free to turn them off completely user-side.

Osirisx9
10-13-2004, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
_Osirisx9:_
Please look into the icons... I was just on the server and it's reverted back to showing friendly planetype, not names. This eliminates any chance of warning people, especially for us without comms. The teamplay tonight wasn't near the level it was yesterday.

Also, don't listen to the no-icon-whiners, if they don't like the short icons then they're free to turn them off completely user-side. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont worry, and that setting you saw was just on one map. One of the admins pointed it out to me and I immediatly fixed them within minutes. That was in fact on just one map . What happened was that I updated the properties file on that one mission by using a different file on my PC rather than the one that was on the server for that mission. There are a ton of little items to doublecheck when making or editing Daemon mission properties files and I overlooked the settings that control the Icons. Anyway, the Icons set correctly now. Friendly names appear instead of aircraft type. I appologize for any loss of enjoyment . Thanks again for flying on the server

RAF238thOsiris

RasMichael
10-14-2004, 02:03 AM
This server rocks, regardless of icon-settings.

The perfect remedy for PF-cabin fever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My only worry is that I seem to achieve most air-to-air kills in the HE-111, must be my
Karma trying to tell me something...

Ketalar
10-14-2004, 02:26 AM
Osirisx9:
I'm sorry if I expressed myself in an unclear way, but there was no loss of enjoyment (how could there be when I can fly the P-40?). I enjoy your server as much as I do the F19_Cr@pGalore and F16_Dedicated, and you can expect to see me there more than my girlfriend would like.

The only reason (actually two) that I keep bugging you about this is because I like your server (pitting two excellent plane types against each other) and I like teamwork. The teamwork bit is a lot easier with the new settings, but the enjoyment would be there even without icons...

I thank you for giving us access to your playground, and please remember that I do have fun. I'm also aware that the amount of work that goes into running a server is more than most people are willing to take on, which makes it even more incredible that you let us play there. The crowd I've met on the server have all been nice guys that I've enjoyed flying with. I look forward to meeting you online so I can practise my lead-absorbing-skill with you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif