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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:58 AM
What are your views lads.Some contenders .

One qulaification is that it must be able to dog fight with figters which of course the IL2 couldnt really .

FW 190
P 47
Typhoon
Mosquito
P38

I will be intersetd if any body is deluded enough to choose the P38 .It was a crock in Europe its engine couldnt handle the damp atmosphere ,but i gues if you could produce thousands of them easily and out number the enemy 30-1 and your american you probably think it was a great european fighter bomber.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:58 AM
What are your views lads.Some contenders .

One qulaification is that it must be able to dog fight with figters which of course the IL2 couldnt really .

FW 190
P 47
Typhoon
Mosquito
P38

I will be intersetd if any body is deluded enough to choose the P38 .It was a crock in Europe its engine couldnt handle the damp atmosphere ,but i gues if you could produce thousands of them easily and out number the enemy 30-1 and your american you probably think it was a great european fighter bomber.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:04 AM
If it also needs to be able to perform as a fighter I would swap Typhoon to a Tempest, then the Tempest would be my choice.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:06 AM
in combat the plane doesnt do anything .... if you get shot down or blowen up its because there is somebody good at flying in the cockpit .... its useless to say one plane is better than another ...

if you are missing the point it is this ... AIRCOMBAT IS DECIDED BY THE SKILL OF THE PILOT ------- not by the plane flowen

btw .. because of living in the western world i had never heard of the epic proportions of the eastern theaters scale ( i mean air warfare )

untill IL2 came out i didnt know about the sturmovik or the PEs
she might not have been used much but you cant deny the capability is there in the PE-8

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:06 AM
da pony boys are gunna be upset you didnt include there pet plane in that list http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:08 AM
of course the competence of the pilot is crucial but to say the plane is almost irrelevant is overplaying you hand

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:08 AM
WTE_Galway wrote:
- da pony boys are gunna be upset you didnt include
- there pet plane in that list /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Since that was not a fighter / bomber then why would it be?

The Mustang was a thoroughbred fighter!

I vote the Mossie but then I am biased as it was my all time favourite plane. Although the Lightning comes a close second due to them being fairly identicle in roles.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:09 AM
B~26, best fighter bomber, ever. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:29 AM
Ta-152 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif It is still classed as Fighter/Bomber, right?

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:34 AM
B-26 fighter-bomber LOL what a joke


Best Allied fighter bomber the Tiffy, on Axis side 190F-8.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:38 AM
Mosquito.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:53 AM
what kind of plane is the tiffy

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 12:07 PM
The Tiger tank with P-47 armour piercing guns /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 12:09 PM
I would say P-38, hands down. It could drop 2000-4000lb's of bombs, fire 10 HVAR Rockets, and then dogfight with the best of them. It got a bad rep in ET due to bad pilots and bad circumstances, but it made mince meat of the Japs and rocked the MTO.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 12:15 PM
If I had to often fly at low alt doing ground attack missions, I think I'd just take the toughest of em all. I think it's the P47, or a F4U... maybe the F4U, I think it's way tough enough, and has much more air-air potential than the P47.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 12:26 PM
I'd say FW 190 until the Tempest was introduced.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 01:32 PM
The F4U was anon entity in europe and could never have made it because its engine not unlike the p38 didnt work well in damp/cold conditions

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:10 PM
History showed the FW190 to be the best aircraft of WWII at dropping a load of iron on your *** and then shooting it's way out of trouble.

Just to name a few very successful FW190 Jabo pilots on the eastern front:

August Lambert - 116 victories

Hermann Buchner - 58 victories

Gunther Bleckman - 27 victories

Otto Domeratzky - 39 victories

Hans Stollnberger - 45 victories


these are just a few...


FW190 fighter-bombers were also very successful in the North African campaign in aerial combat, scoring victories over a variety of English and American fighters.


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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:18 PM
My guess is the P47 will come out looking very good when the total air to air kill ratio, and number of ground tragets killed plus its legendary durability are all considered.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:25 PM
My choice Fw 190. One of the best fighters of the war, a heavy and wide range of warload (up to 1800kg/4000lbs), autocannons, cannons, heavy rockets, anti tank rockets, both anti-personnel and anti-tank cluster bomblets, and of course, conventional bombs. Some special variants could carry torpedoes as well, and there were prototypes for guided weapons.

Its airframe was rugged, and it was the most heavily armored of all the others (especially the 190F ground attacks variant).



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:24 PM
I would have to say a tie between the P-47 and FW 190 for the ETO. They both were excellent in the FB roles with many different loadout options and could take a serious beating. Now if you asked about the MTO it goes to the P-38 hands down.
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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:40 PM
Professor j.j. informs us:


The F4U ...(snip) ...could never
- have made it because its engine not unlike the p38
- didnt work well in damp/cold conditions.


I can only comment that thousands of P47's did just fine with that very same engine in the cold damp weather conditions of Western Europe..... and the Grumman F6F in British service also flew with the same engine over the North Sea

BTW,this might come as a shock to some, but it was also quite damp in the PTO ..... ;-]


Just sounds like another trolling expedition to me.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:28 PM
JtD wrote:

"I'd say FW 190 until the Tempest was introduced."

I couldn't have said it better myself. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:36 PM
P-47 Thunderbolt is the answer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:44 PM
Darn, I thought booze was the answer/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:58 PM
which has the most left of them still flyable, thats my answer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Jugs

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:53 PM
OK I've changed my mind, forget the P47 and replace by a tie with FW190 and F4U. I'd want to stand a chance in the air too.

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