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I_ZG52_Gaga
05-18-2006, 05:02 PM
If there's no BF110 flyable in 1st BoB release,
then there's no point for any further discusion on the subject.

VW-IceFire
05-18-2006, 05:25 PM
I believe it was one of the aircraft listed as being flyable by a Russian magazine a few months ago. So I'll bet its part of the 10-11 flyable aircraft.

Considering....

1) Spitfire Mark I
2) Hurricane Mark I
3) Blenheim Mark IV
4) Bf109E-3
5) He-111H-2
6) Ju-88A-1
7) Cr.42
8) G.50
9) B.20
10) Bf110C

Chuck_Older
05-18-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by I_ZG52_Gaga:
If there's no BF110 flyable in 1st BoB release,
then there's no point for any further discusion on the subject.

that list you saw was *not* the official list, Gaga

It was a compilation of things observed by a member

Don't become angry until you at least see an official release on the subject

FritzGryphon
05-18-2006, 06:21 PM
If it's not out in release, I'm sure it will be shortly after.

Germany only had 2 fighter types, after all.

MB80
05-18-2006, 08:09 PM
Don't forget the Ju 87,
but BOB without the 110 is really weird. This was the long range fighter, this was also Goering's more prefered fighter. After the first battle against the RAF near Helgoland in 1939, they thought the bf110 is perfect... During BOB they found out the truth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you would ask me which planes must be playable in a BOB Game.. I would for shure forget the italian ones but not the 110.

The Do17 should also be flyable... but it isn't I know.

FritzGryphon
05-18-2006, 10:08 PM
The Do17 should also be flyable

Indeed, it's disappointing that they went with the already flyable Ju-88 and He-111.

Though, that's probably why. They have reference for these.

rushworth1
05-19-2006, 01:24 AM
There were very few types in BOB and therefore probably most could be represented quite easily in the release, Dornier was a main player an could well be in. I like the idea of limited planes personally, the never ending demand here for more planes leaves me spinning. A couple of others not mentioned were the Fairey Battle [ flyng coffin ] and the Defiant.

Vrabac
05-19-2006, 03:32 AM
I'm a bit amazed there is no Do17 on the list, and there are 2 Italian fighter types, Cr42 and G50... Where's the logic there? I hope it will be changed. This way there are same number of Italian planes flyable as there are German, which is, not meaning to insult Italians, rediculous considering the scenario.

Ratsack
05-19-2006, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by I_ZG52_Gaga:
If there's no BF110 flyable in 1st BoB release,
then there's no point for any further discusion on the subject.

Good to see you're not getting too excited, then. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

cheers,
Ratsack

I_ZG52_Gaga
05-19-2006, 04:52 AM
Well Dornier is fine and all that but if you can't bomb and also shoot at the enemy A/C, it's no good ...
Also the OKL would need a A/C that can land on sea and pick up (resque) precious OKL aces .... so start working ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Frankyboy
05-20-2006, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Vrabac:
I'm a bit amazed there is no Do17 on the list, and there are 2 Italian fighter types, Cr42 and G50... Where's the logic there? I hope it will be changed. This way there are same number of Italian planes flyable as there are German, which is, not meaning to insult Italians, rediculous considering the scenario.

well, http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm (http://www.dalnet.se/%7Esurfcity/falco_bob.htm) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and its 3 italians vs 5 german planes

Bf109E-3
Bf110C-4
Ju87B-2
Ju88A-1
He111H-2

i find it interesting that Maddox put the Italians in his BoB - something different http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG52Uther
05-20-2006, 02:21 AM
Well considering the Italians only played a very small part in the BoB (I think perhaps 2 missions) and they got slaughtered,its strange that they are in the first release, while we dont have German (and British) planes that were much more numerous.

FritzGryphon
05-20-2006, 02:35 AM
I'm glad they're keeping the 'Forgotten Battles' mentality with the Italians.

Even if you've played BoB sims before, probably never with those planes.

mazexx
05-20-2006, 03:38 AM
Regarding the italian flyables. There are plenty of rumors that the second installment in the Storm of War will be North Africa... This kind of confirms that, as they would anyway need them for that front - so why not make them now to add a bit of spice to the first plane set? I agree that the Do 17 would be nice but we should actually be happy that we will have two of the three major bombers the Luftwaffe used in BoB...

It would naturally be nice to have every plane used in the BoB flyable but I think that 10 flyables with study sim quality is more than we can ask for in the first release...

Vrabac
05-20-2006, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Well considering the Italians only played a very small part in the BoB (I think perhaps 2 missions) and they got slaughtered,its strange that they are in the first release, while we dont have German (and British) planes that were much more numerous.

Exactly my point.

And if we are limited in number of flyables to gain on accuracy of those that will actually be in the game (principle with which I totally agree), than it's reason more to simulate those planes which were actually important, and not those that participated in very minor roles. And if first expansion will be Africa, than those planes should be included for that expansion, and not for Battle of Britain...

heywooood
05-20-2006, 10:06 AM
over time - and probably shortly after initial release - this new title will be enhanced, with new aircraft and with new FM's and Dm's etc....how do I know?


based on previous experience with 1c Maddox. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

please to keep shirts on - thanks.

MB80
05-20-2006, 11:52 AM
I think Oleg will do the best job with less flyable plane types, it's his opinion to implement the italian ones, so we've to accept it. Let us hope that he is going to add a flyable BF110 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The Do17 is part of the SOW Future, I hope..

These were mentioned by the russian mag.:
Storm Of War: The Battle of Britain:

RAF flyable Spitfire Mk.I, Hurricane Mk.I, Blenheim Mk.IV, Gladiator Mk.II (possible)

RAF Ai Defiant Mk.I, Beaufighter Mk.IF, Blenheim Mk.IF, Blenheim Mk.IVF.Blenheim Mk.I, Wellington Mk.IC, Lysander Mk.I, Anson Mk.I, Cierva C.30A/Avro Rota Mk.I (autogyro) & Sunderland Mk.I (possible)

LW flyable Bf-109 E3, Bf-110 C4, He-111 H-2, He-111 P-2, Ju-87 B-2, Ju-88 A-1

LW Ai Do-17 Z-1, Do-215 (recon.), FW-200 C-1, He-59, He-115, Ju-52 /3M, Bf-108. and Italian FIAT G.50, FIAT CR.42, FIAT BR.20M

I_ZG52_Gaga
05-20-2006, 12:03 PM
as i said ..
My main concern is that by the 1st realease there has to be a flyable 110. Something that can suficiently bomb and shoot at the enemy.
If Olleg doesn't give it to the OKL, the first period of on-line competitions will be in favour of the allies and WE CAN"T HAVE THAT!

There can't be a 1st release of Bob without a flyable 110 and something that lands on water for resque!! It would be unfair.

- Do i have to spell it?

About the italian thingies ... their existance is tottaly indiferent because they can't compete... we can have them on the airfields as static A/C for historic reasons.... the only important aspect of Northen Africa map is apparently the Aegean sea map being a Hellinas (Greek - term not used by Hellines)and all ...

The_Gog
05-20-2006, 05:27 PM
Firstly,

If the 110 is not in the game at the get go, then it's without doubt the worst decision, even worse than not having flyable carrier based torpedo bombers in PF, in IL2 history!

Why would you release a game like BoB without one of the most crucial planes in the battle? Easy answer, because this community of morons, you, me and everyone else, have shown that we are so mind numbingly brain dead that we will happily pay for an add-on that has one plane in it! ONE PLANE!!! So what better way to milk us all of a few more bucks, we all will buy the 110 add-on if it is seperate and we'll all keep doing it as they add 'one plane at a time' add-ons in the future.
No-one to blame but ourselves!

Personally, I don't think Oleg will leave out the 110, he's not that stupid or greedy, if it happens, it will be an UBI decision!

Now whose idea was Boontybox?

VW-IceFire
05-20-2006, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Vrabac:
I'm a bit amazed there is no Do17 on the list, and there are 2 Italian fighter types, Cr42 and G50... Where's the logic there? I hope it will be changed. This way there are same number of Italian planes flyable as there are German, which is, not meaning to insult Italians, rediculous considering the scenario.
Its an AI aircraft...so it is present just not flyable. We have the Heinkel and Ju-88 to make up for it. I'd say thats a fair tradeoff. But the Dornier isn't anything special to me so I realize I'm a bit biased in that respect. If we are to have a flyable Dornier bomber...maybe the Do-217 would be the best bet so we can have full use of it on multiple fronts later in the war.

LEBillfish
05-21-2006, 06:37 AM
Why all the complaint over an unknown?......If you do want something to be upset about though then jump on my bandwagon......As I'll bet big bucks there will be no Ki-61 in BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

darkhorizon11
05-21-2006, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_ZG52_Gaga:
If there's no BF110 flyable in 1st BoB release,
then there's no point for any further discusion on the subject.

that list you saw was *not* the official list, Gaga

It was a compilation of things observed by a member

Don't become angry until you at least see an official release on the subject </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blasphemy!How dare ye! This is Oleg's other handle you know that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Actually I did forget to add the 111P-2 now that I think about it!

leitmotiv
05-23-2006, 11:31 AM
It is my understanding from unimpeachable evidence provided by a CIA mole in Oleg's organization that there will be every version of the Ju 86 fully represented as flyable aircraft in B OF BRIT along with a flyable Bristol Bombay and a flyable Tu-144. Seriously, if I am not going to be able to do the Rubensdorffer thing with a bomb-loaded ErPrGr 210 Bf 110, I'm going to commit seppuku.

NonWonderDog
05-23-2006, 01:39 PM
AI Avro Rota Mk.I
Forget about the 110 (of course it's going to be flyable, don't be stupid), we need a flyable Rota! This may be the first sim to feature an autogyro at all, and preventing us from flying it would be an outrage! Who's with me?

Oleg should throw some rockets and machineguns on the Rota and add a few armed FL 282 Kolibris, too, so we can make a 1940's reinactment of the dogfight scene from You Only Live Twice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif