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montecristo1981
09-12-2008, 10:46 AM
I saved a track, but I somehow managed to stop recording when i went back into the controls menu to find the hook key, and only got the first 5 seconds of the approach.

montecristo1981
09-12-2008, 10:46 AM
I saved a track, but I somehow managed to stop recording when i went back into the controls menu to find the hook key, and only got the first 5 seconds of the approach.

No41Sqn_Banks
09-12-2008, 10:55 AM
During which phase of a landing do you need aileron control?

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-12-2008, 11:10 AM
D) Lucky, lol.

Bremspropeller
09-12-2008, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">During which phase of a landing do you need aileron control? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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general_kalle
09-12-2008, 11:23 AM
was tempted to vote C because it's true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
but i recognize you mean regarding to the landing


just kidding. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aaron_GT
09-12-2008, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">During which phase of a landing do you need aileron control? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The bit in which you get pointed in the right direction?

squareusr
09-12-2008, 12:01 PM
An aileron-less carrier landing is not easy, but not all that unlikely to succeed, since the extraordinary situation will make you much more alert than in a regular landing.

In addition to that, focusing on only 2 degrees of freedom (not counting throttle) instead of three can make life so much easier, that it compensates for much of the theoretical loss of control, at least for beginners who do not have airplane control coordination programming forced deep into their set of reflexes yet.

Next time your elevators get disabled in a not too nose-down position, try landing the plane by throttle! It is great fun, even if you crater a 50 meters before reaching the strip, and a good learning experience.

Stingray333
09-12-2008, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by squareusr:
Next time your elevators get disabled in a not too nose-down position, try landing the plane by throttle! It is great fun, even if you crater a 50 meters before reaching the strip, and a good learning experience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I landed a P-38 on a small grass strip using only aileron and throttle in a co-op a few weeks ago, as my elevator got hit by flak (elevator trim as well). It was a very challenging landing, but I pulled it off, I was pretty pumped.

Definitely great fun

Stingray

PanzerAce
09-12-2008, 01:26 PM
Elevatorless landing is easier with some planes than with others. P-38s it shouldn't be to hard, since they nose up under full flaps at ~200kmh or less, but some other planes are NOT very easy.


Oh, and late -38s have the advantage of air brakes that will also kick the nose up.

joeap
09-12-2008, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">During which phase of a landing do you need aileron control? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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M_Gunz
09-12-2008, 04:05 PM
You can roll the plane with rudder. At very low speeds it's the only way you should roll.

TheFamilyMan
09-12-2008, 04:21 PM
My flying m8s and I have each done this more than once flying zeros and it's become not that big of deal in our squad. Now that elevatorless landing, we're still working to perfect that (over ground or course). Last week we had a P38 carrier take off and landing competition. No one has yet to get one to stay on deck but we came pretty close with that nose wheel mashed by the brakes!

Crash_Moses
09-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Pshaw...try it without a rudder.

Pulled this off last night. Captain was a little ticked. He said I shoulda ditched. But hey...I walked away.

Ol' Bessy always gets me home... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/olbessy1.jpg

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Bremspropeller
09-12-2008, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You can roll the plane with rudder. At <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">high angles of attack</span> it's the only way you should roll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fixed.

M_Gunz
09-12-2008, 05:43 PM
I'm sure the new guys will appreciate the difference. They can stall out trying to figure out
what their AOA is.

Bremspropeller
09-12-2008, 06:40 PM
I always mix in rudder for rolling anyway - gets me another 5 to 10?/s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Choctaw111
09-13-2008, 09:29 AM
Losing the rudder is more difficult...and even worse is losing just the elevator...which is still doable but difficult.

Bremspropeller
09-13-2008, 10:46 AM
You actually don't need ailerons for a "safe" and stable flight.
Ailerons aren't needed for stability issues, they just improve handling (by a big margin!).

Losing the rudder or the elevaor is much more dangerous.

Any flight-control problem should be taken seriously, though.

M2morris
09-13-2008, 09:34 PM
I just thought I would let you know about what happened to me today.

It was after a tough mission while I was trying to make it back to the carrier.
You see, what happened was I had ALL my controls disabled and my engine was shot-out.

4000ft

The carrier was in sight.

Luckily my Corsair was still flying strait and some-what level.

I opened my canopy and I pulled off my boots one at a time and then I pulled out the boot laces.
I also found a 30 foot piece of nylon chord in my survival vest.
I spit out my gum, tore it into three pieces and stuck a piece of gum to the ends of each bootlace for the ailerons, and one piece of gum onto the nylon chord for the elevator.

I crawled out REAL quick and stuck them all onto the control surfaces, then I crawled back into the cockpit.

I now had control baby.
All except for the rudder.

It was a rough landing.
Especially since my tail hook had been shot off too, so I had to improvise that problem by going in with my gear up and belly skidding onto the deck.

I walked away.

Lit a cigar, had a shot of brandy and went to the briefing room to hear about my next mission.

Another day gone.

K_Freddie
09-14-2008, 04:10 PM
[Boast ON]
I've managed to land a P40 with no controls except throttle and 'left-over' flaps....
[Boast OFF]
Equal or better that.. and I'll see an xtra 5 chips on the table.
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TheFamilyMan
09-14-2008, 05:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
Pshaw...try it without a rudder.

Pulled this off last night. Captain was a little ticked. He said I shoulda ditched. But hey...I walked away.

Ol' Bessy always gets me home... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/olbessy1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/olbessy2.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Bravo!!!! Now that IS something.
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I can see that your adrenalin was so pumped that time seemed to slow down for you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif