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Jagdklinger
12-15-2004, 08:18 PM
I am a recent convert from Xbox/PS2, systems notable for their total lack of good flight sims.

On impulse, I bought the original IL2 from the bargin bin at EB, and was totally blown away by the fantastic gameplay. It seems very hardcore compared to arcadey sims I am used to:
No, I don't need to know how to raise the landing gear, make the gunsights appear on the German planes etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I AM trying to figure out simple stuff like how to correct a spin or strafe a vehicle column without 'buying the farm.' The in-game tutorials do not seem geared for the behinner.

A. Thus my question: where do I go to find information like this, and on other tactics. I dont want to be pestering the forum every 5 minutes with dumb questions, and I would like a few good links, on how to perform basic combat maneouvres - as I seem to stall on Immelmannns, and spinning 3000m to the ground is just plain stupid..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Also, some aircraft specific stuff would be good. 190, P38, Spit and Mustang people seem well represented here at the forum, but what about the Soviets.

Oops, two more questions:

B. What is most important: an analog rudder OR being able to look around without grabbing for the mouse.Also, is it worth wiring the trim controls or the flaps to the joystick; besides basic throttle/rudder/ailerons, what are the most important controls?

C. Avoiding the 'whats the best aircraft' question, could I ask "which fighter is the most forgiving to a beginner?" I was a 109 freak in childhood but I suspect this is not the wisest choice to learn to fly with...

Thanks!

meh_cd
12-15-2004, 08:43 PM
Don't worry about asking the 'dumb' questions. Almost everyone in the community will be glad to help you, that is part of what makes the game great.

I started with a 109 and I still suck (online anyway) so I'm not the best person to hand out advice... let's wait for one of the big-wigs on the board to show up, I'm sure they will help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ImpStarDuece
12-15-2004, 09:01 PM
Hey Jadgklingerr, welcome to the game!

Be careful, its addicitve. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The best place to look for information would be the 'Practice Tips for Newcomers' sticky at the top of the General Discussion forum page. In it you'll find a LOT of really good tips from veterans on the forums. Addtitionally, on the bottom of the first post, under the picture of the Tuskeege airman (Bearcats sig) you will find a link called 'Sturmovik Essentials' . This is a great resource of web links which will have your flying right, fighting better, building your own missions and kicking a$$ online in no time.

As for 2: I would go for an analouge, programmable throttle myself. I have never had any trouble using my hat keys and mouse to look around. I know a lot of people will say exactly the opposite but that, like what i'm writing here, is only their opinion. A lot of users do swear by TrackIR though. As far as i know you CANNOT program trim on a slider any more. In fact 'trim on a slider' is a forum in-joke that you will see from time to time. Most of it revolves around a mysterious and now defunkt entity know as 'RBJ' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Finally, a good learners plane. Well, I have always found the HUrricane II and Spit V to be very forgiving, the Spit a little less so. My advice though would be to go to full realism settings and throw yourself in the deep end with your favourite aircraft. Learning the quirks of a particular plane, how to fly and fight it, takes a lot of hours, particularly if you want to do well in it. Learn how it was used historically, its strengths and weaknesses and the tactics of likely opponents and you will do well. This game often turns into a history lesson and gets more fascinating the deeper you get into it.

Hope my rambling helps. Enjoy the game, dont flame in the forums and i'll see you on Hyperlobby one day.

Jagdklinger
12-15-2004, 10:58 PM
Thanks, ImpD

The best place to look for information would be the 'Practice Tips for Newcomers' sticky at the top of the General Discussion forum page. In it you'll find a LOT of really good tips from veterans on the forums. Addtitionally, on the bottom of the first post, under the picture of the Tuskeege airman (Bearcats sig)

"...you will find a link called 'Sturmovik Essentials" I missed that - thanks!

Quick question: What joystick sensivity do you recommend - it comes default at 1.0 but that is rarely right for any game

"This game often turns into a history lesson and gets more fascinating the deeper you get into it." Excellent. I was an aeroplane freak as a wee lad, and even now can quote the airspeed of a MkIX Spit according to Janes (656k?) If it follows reality, a Fw190 should roll well, a P38 should be good for slash/dive attacks, and the P47 should take punishment. Ok, Im off to buy the AEP right now.....

dieg777
12-15-2004, 11:53 PM
Hi and welcome

Here are two threads packed with advice for people learning the game


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9181071422&p=1

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4901007622&r=9131017622#9131017622

for joystick setup see here
http://www.airwarfare.com/index.htm
look under tech guides

you should find something in these to help.
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Tully__
12-16-2004, 02:58 AM
For the original IL2 I'd recommend the La5FN as a nice forgiving fighter aircraft and any version of the IL2 (with the exception of the "T" and "I" versions) for ground attack/straffing.

I'd take the rudder over the view system, but there are several utilities (and some native joystick drivers) that allow mapping mouse emulation to joystick hats. If your joystick doesn't natively support it, try NewView (http://www.mousevision.com/game/newView.htm) or JoyToKey (http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA016823/joytokey/english.html)

F19_Ob
12-16-2004, 06:44 AM
The 109 is actually one of the better ones regarding to maneuverability and generally turns well and accellerates and climbs from a standstill better than most.

Any plane will take time to learn the limits in.
A good thing to learn first (in any plane) is the best turn and to fly well near stall. This is specially important in bad turners. No...I dont mean that u should fly in stall speed all the time but that one should be able to maneuver in all speeds without flipping and in bad turn-planes thats usually a big problem .

Knowledge of the opponents performance is very important and to "read" the combat-situation you are in correctly. This can only be gained through experience and thurough knowledge of tactics for attack and evasion and ofcourse knowing the plane u fly.
All this will take a while.
Be prepared that some of your online opponents may have years of experience and on one or few planes and they will be hard to beat for any pilot.

Become a good deflectionshooter on all angles and on long distances aswell, to maximize your shooting opportunities.

This will do the trick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
12-16-2004, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Jagdklinger:
I am a recent convert from Xbox/PS2, systems notable for their total lack of good flight sims.

On impulse, I bought the original IL2 from the bargin bin at EB, and was totally blown away by the fantastic gameplay. It seems very hardcore compared to arcadey sims I am used to:
No, I don't need to know how to raise the landing gear, make the gunsights appear on the German planes etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I AM trying to figure out simple stuff like how to correct a spin or strafe a vehicle column without 'buying the farm.' The in-game tutorials do not seem geared for the behinner.

A. Thus my question: where do I go to find information like this, and on other tactics. I dont want to be pestering the forum every 5 minutes with dumb questions, and I would like a few good links, on how to perform basic combat maneouvres - as I seem to stall on Immelmannns, and spinning 3000m to the ground is just plain stupid..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

This one can be answered in a basic way: you do not have enough airspeed to complete the manuever or you are not performing it smoothly enough, or in a timely enough fashion, by which I mean: you did something like flew straight up for a while

Also, some aircraft specific stuff would be good. 190, P38, Spit and Mustang people seem well represented here at the forum, but what about the Soviets.

I'm not sure I quite follow what you are asking.

Oops, two more questions:

B. What is most important: an analog rudder OR being able to look around without grabbing for the mouse.Also, is it worth wiring the trim controls or the flaps to the joystick; besides basic throttle/rudder/ailerons, what are the most important controls?

There are three primary control inputs used for flying the aircraft: Throttle, control stick, and rudder. You don't want to have only 66% of your controls available. For maneuvering, you can roll (ailerons) pitch (elevators) or yaw (rudder). Many maneuvers will require a touch of rudder at least.

C. Avoiding the 'whats the best aircraft' question, could I ask "which fighter is the most forgiving to a beginner?" I was a 109 freak in childhood but I suspect this is not the wisest choice to learn to fly with...

I agree with Tully, the La5fn. great aircraft, and generally forgiving. The Bf109 is a fine aircraft, but as I recall in the original Il2, landing and taking off can be a challenge

GreyBeast
12-16-2004, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by meh_cd:
Don't worry about asking the 'dumb' questions. Almost everyone in the community will be glad to help you, that is part of what makes the game great.

I started with a 109 and I still suck (online anyway) so I'm not the best person to hand out advice... let's wait for one of the big-wigs on the board to show up, I'm sure they will help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi meh_cd!

Err, if that´s YOU in your pic then, errr, I´d like to volunteer... I offer you free lessons in flying the 109... except there´s ONE CONDITION, I need your adress ´cause I like teaching on a one-to-one basis, it´s more, well, "personal"... Deal?

By the way, what´s a 109? :P

meh_cd
12-16-2004, 10:02 AM
Hate to disappoint you - it is Lindsay Lohan. But yeah, I agree she is hot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Lucius_Esox
12-16-2004, 02:54 PM
Start with the easiest fliers, biplanes. Learn the FM first, I think having played with console pads this will be hard. It's not on and off like using a pad. Are you using a j/stick? In this sim it's all about "feel" when flying imo. Just like driving a car or .....

GreyBeast
12-17-2004, 02:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by meh_cd:
Hate to disappoint you - it is Lindsay Lohan. But yeah, I agree she is hot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Awwwww, that´s alright. I could STILL come over and we could PRETEND...

AlGroover
12-17-2004, 04:59 AM
If you have the original IL2, then it's best to hunt down the patches that add a few planes and fix some problems. Likewise, you may be able to find the 200 mission Barbarossa campaign archived somewhere. First 50 missions in a Bf109 before switching to FW190. I learned a lot flying that one.