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DeAbajo
08-16-2006, 07:58 AM
Some time ago apeard the Avia B-534 as third party plane as possibility in some future update, is it stil lon? The model looked pretty finished I even found the void.bmp for it...

Tater-SW-
08-16-2006, 08:43 AM
http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/Avia_B-534_031.jpg

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/Avia_B-534_031.jpg

Who knows.

tater

pdog1
08-16-2006, 09:06 AM
I remember seeing a cockpit for this bird.... pity its not flyable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

DuxCorvan
08-16-2006, 12:32 PM
Lost forever along with flyables CW-21, Fokker D.XXI, and AI Letov S.328. Ah, I remember also that Norwegian map, and that optional revamped default skin pack.

Projects gone with the wind...

I swear I won't expect anything again! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://www.filmsite.org/speeches/gonewiththewind.jpg

Scharnhorst1943
08-16-2006, 02:39 PM
Why did those projects die? I thought all that stuff (B534, CW-21, & Fokker D.XXI) was done and just needed to be included?

DuxCorvan
08-16-2006, 03:03 PM
Well, the developers admitted that there was only one guy left working in FB/PF, and that he included the things he likes most first.

Then they released (?) the Russian add-ons -neither of which includes this stuff- and we all hoped that these things that were not included in 4.04, would see the light after the last paid add-on ('1946' v4.07), maybe as a 'surprise' bonus.

In his last report, Oleg dismissed our hopes by anouncing there would be nothing beyond 4.07, except, maybe, commercial things made by 3rd Party guys who will have access to FB code after Maddox leaves the project completely.

So, unless a 3rd Party co. has access to that stuff and wants to release it -which I doubt- no B.534, etc, for us.

SaQSoN
08-16-2006, 08:13 PM
I always was fascinated by a people, who can speak so confidently about the things, they don't have a slightest idea of!
Dux, you're my hero, you know? Mua-ha-ha!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The said planes and some maps will be released after the 4.07 add-on as, probaly, a free add-on.

GoToAway
08-16-2006, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
The said planes and some maps will be released after the 4.07 add-on as, probaly, a free add-on. Including the Avia? I don't recall ever hearing that it was accepted by Oleg.
'

I've been looking forward to the D.XXI for what seems like years. That is going to be great to get.

Tater-SW-
08-16-2006, 09:00 PM
Does that include the Re2000 as well? (I'd love to see that plane as a stand in for P-43 :-)

tater

marc_hawkins
08-16-2006, 09:21 PM
Sigh. as a avid fan of Cr@p planesā"ž¢ i really hope they all make it in. i am currently eyeing a goat to sacrifice to this end. Don't make me kill the goat. Add the planes. this is emotional blackmail, Oleg, SaQSoN etc. Ultimately YOU are all morally responsible. SERIOUSLY, give (make me pay) for the FREAKING planes already! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ElAurens
08-16-2006, 09:27 PM
Thank you SaQSoN.

DeAbajo
08-17-2006, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
I always was fascinated by a people, who can speak so confidently about the things, they don't have a slightest idea of!
Dux, you're my hero, you know? Mua-ha-ha!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The said planes and some maps will be released after the 4.07 add-on as, probaly, a free add-on.

Thank you Vladimir, I hope it will come out like that, as I still consider the IL-2 the best one (and like the merged instalations), and would feel pity if the work done would end up in the bin... (I tried some of this myself with your help, for CFS2, remeber,.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Martin

GerritJ9
08-17-2006, 01:55 AM
I for one am delighted that the D.XXI, F2A-3 and others will be included- ESPECIALLY the CW-21B!!!!!! Quite apart from the fact that not including the already-made aeroplanes, objects and maps would be a waste of some marvellous material, I fear that not including them would discourage the community's modellers from ever doing their highly-appreciated work in future. After all, who would willingly spend countless hours to model his/her favourite map/aeroplane etc, see screenshots appear on the 1C and UBI websites, only for the work never to see the light of day in the sim? I know I wouldn't- regardless of whether I was paid for the work or sent it to 1C as a free contribution (this is, of course, assuming I had the required software and modelling skills in the first place- which I don't, unfortunately).

As to whether the add-on including these goodies will be free or paid-for, I don't really care one way or the other- I would happily pay for them to appear.

JG52Uther
08-17-2006, 03:50 AM
Excellent news indeed,if it happens.
The misinformation that spreads here is because of a lack of real information I think.

DuxCorvan
08-17-2006, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
I always was fascinated by a people, who can speak so confidently about the things, they don't have a slightest idea of!
Dux, you're my hero, you know? Mua-ha-ha!!!


Yes , ha ha ha. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Originally posted by Oleg Maddox for Aviaforum:

"AviaForum: Oleg, are you planning to continue development of IL--2 after release of BOB? Is there possibility of passing IL-2 to some 3rd party company for further development?

O.M. : Development of IL-2 will be stopped after planned add-ons. Passing it off to the third party is possible and we are ready to discuss it such offer if we receive one. Meanwhile, nobody offered anything. Main request to potential partner is serious support of the product, guarantees that balance and order on line will be kept and readiness to work on the same level of quality, which was set by us."

Sorry for so confidently speak about things that the leader of Maddox Games says in a public interview. But I'm not to be blamed if you guys say one thing and then do another one.

Maybe if people 'who knows about things they have a slight idea of' had one single voice and used it more often, that would avoid the ignorant statements of fools such as me.

Anyway, thank you SaQSoN. Good news are always welcome, even if announced in a shroud of uncalled personal hostility.

And these are good news, indeed.

DeAbajo
08-17-2006, 08:44 AM
well hopefully it will be somebody who would comply the request of Maddox Games...

Tooz_69GIAP
08-17-2006, 09:13 AM
Well, as Dux says, conflicting reports from "people in the know" don't help much here in the zoo!!

I too believed that there was to be a final free add-on including some of the content such as these cr@p planes, and stuff, after the Russian paid add-ons were released, but upon reading that Oleg interview, I assumed that was off the cards. But now Saqson says there will be more content after the paid add-ons.

Anywho, we shall just have to wait and see! But I really would love to fly Denmark's only fighter aircraft from the war!

GoToAway
08-17-2006, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Sorry for so confidently speak about things that the leader of Maddox Games says in a public interview. But I'm not to be blamed if you guys say one thing and then do another one. Except Oleg didn't say that 4.07 would be the last patch.

He said that "development would cease after planned add ons." Oleg has always maintained that there'd be a free add on after 4.07. As such, that is a "planned add on."

jurinko
08-17-2006, 11:23 AM
Avia was accepted by Oleg as AI long time ago. Cockpit had been done by our Hungarian friend Jutocsa and was virtually bugs-free as well, but whether it will be programmed to get the Avia flyable Oleg never confirmed 100%.

Avia cockpit (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=002401)

BlitzPig_Frat
08-17-2006, 12:20 PM
That Avia cockpit is nice, bring on the **** planes!

darkhorizon11
08-17-2006, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Well, the developers admitted that there was only one guy left working in FB/PF, and that he included the things he likes most first.

Then they released (?) the Russian add-ons -neither of which includes this stuff- and we all hoped that these things that were not included in 4.04, would see the light after the last paid add-on ('1946' v4.07), maybe as a 'surprise' bonus.

In his last report, Oleg dismissed our hopes by anouncing there would be nothing beyond 4.07, except, maybe, commercial things made by 3rd Party guys who will have access to FB code after Maddox leaves the project completely.

So, unless a 3rd Party co. has access to that stuff and wants to release it -which I doubt- no B.534, etc, for us.

I know they were pretty much throwing it in as they liked, it but I never heard that 4.07 would be the absolute cut-off, I was hoping there would be a last free patch afterwards cleaning up the rest.

U don't happen to have a link for this do u?

MM-Zorin
08-17-2006, 02:17 PM
Hm ,so maybe we get the new Ju88 modell with all its variants 1C had for ages now... or atleast a fix for the pk issue.

SaQSoN
08-17-2006, 05:40 PM
Sorry for so confidently speak about things that the leader of Maddox Games says in a public interview. But I'm not to be blamed if you guys say one thing and then do another one.

Explain me please, how this phrase:


O.M. : Development of IL-2 will be stopped after planned add-ons.

conflicts with what I said?

DeAbajo
08-18-2006, 01:13 AM
well guys, I didn't want to start the storm here, so regardless of whatever blaming, I'd like to point out, that I will be sad, when IL-2 comes to it's development end, no matter if the B-534 and other planes will or won't be in the game by that time. I understand that Oleg does't want to give away the source code, because then probably will happen the same as in CFS2-pile of planes flying the same (even though that's fun too). I hope that somebody then would comply the conditions and will get the rights to continue in some manner (there are quite a lot of things that could be done http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )... One of my suggestion is Vladimir http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif...

DuxCorvan
08-18-2006, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sorry for so confidently speak about things that the leader of Maddox Games says in a public interview. But I'm not to be blamed if you guys say one thing and then do another one.

Explain me please, how this phrase:


O.M. : Development of IL-2 will be stopped after planned add-ons.

conflicts with what I said? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It conflicts when we don't know what the planned add-ons are. As a dev, you may well know, but 4.08 is a completely new concept for us. Ok?

It's easy to play the I-know guy, when you're the I-know guy. But for the rest of the world, the planned add-ons were the announced add-ons. We have no access to secret decisions, till they're openly said, as you -for the joy of all us- just did.

SaQSoN
08-18-2006, 08:32 AM
It conflicts when we don't know what the planned add-ons are. As a dev, you may well know, but 4.08 is a completely new concept for us. Ok?

So, may be it's time to use your head for something different, then hitting or crashing something? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Let's try it:

When one guy says, the development will be stopped after the planned addons, and another guy says, the certain subjects will be included in the game, isn't this obvious (after some logical thinking, offcourse), that those certain subjects are part of the planned addons? Eh?

SaQSoN
08-18-2006, 08:37 AM
One of my suggestion is Vladimir
If you will pay my bills... And, may be, add something above that... Well, I may think...

Otherwise - I can't be fed by just a thin air, you know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DuxCorvan
08-18-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
So, may be it's time to use your head for something different, then hitting or crashing something? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Vlad, why do you not get back to the basement and plan something else, mmm? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Believe me, PR is not your better talent. Miixing sarcasm with good news may be.

Meanwhile, I can go on posting false statements based on misinterpretation of the scarce info given by the team, so you can make a sudden apparition, negate all, adress me some insults and have fun.

For my part, I prefer having those good news, even if I have to stand being mocked for trying to give some -albeit wrong- info where there was none.

DeAbajo
08-18-2006, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:

If you will pay my bills... And, may be, add something above that... Well, I may think...

Otherwise - I can't be fed by just a thin air, you know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know, the problem of us all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I've given up for the same reason... the sugestion was made because I know a bit of your work, so I think, you would be the one Oleg would accept http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif ...

MatoKKK
08-19-2006, 02:21 AM
DeAbajo,

I am the one who actually organized the entire Avia B-534 (+ cockpit) and Letov S-328 projects.

Both external models were submitted to Oleg within his given deadline for 3rd party projects (April 2005 I believe). So based on this promise, plus my personal communication with Oleg, I am 99% confident we will see both planes as AIs at least.

The cockpit of Avia was submitted in fall of 2005, checked and put into the engine by Saqson (big thank you for that again, mate) and submitted to Oleg. When we started the cockpit, we knew that it was well after the deadline and there was only a slight chance for it being ever included in this sim. But we wanted to make it anyway. So we did. Oleg is a fair/open man and he told me that if there is a time and resources, he will do his best to put the pit in the game. So time will tell. Keep your fingers crossed.

As for credibility, Saqson is a dependable source of information. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I know only one instance when he was wrong about some vehicle development for BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And thanks to all of you interested in these obscure biplanes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DuxCorvan
08-19-2006, 06:26 AM
That's great news indeed. Those Czech-Slovakian planes were not so obscure after all. S.328 had a significant role for a plane of its type -Germans adknowledging its value by impressing them in LW service- and B.534 had an important -though not much brilliant- role in the war between Slovakian insurgents against Hungarian CR.42s. Along with the Slovakian map, it will make a very interesting cr@p-plane scenario.

MatoKKK
08-19-2006, 08:18 AM
DC,

you are mixing it up a bit. S-328s were mostly used as trainers by LW, even though they allegedly tried it for night harassing missions as the Soviets used Po-2s. However, they did see an active service with Slovak Air Force and later with Slovak Insurgent Air Force. As for Avia, it fought alongside Letovs in March 1939 against Hungarian Cr.32s (42s will do as a substitute I guess) and later against Soviet Ratas and I-153s. During the Slovak Uprising in 1944 they flew mostly ground support missions.

Frequent_Flyer
08-19-2006, 10:09 AM
Dux do us all a favor and quote Oleg again concerning the release date for 4.06. These may illict a response from someone "in the know" about its actual release date.

isooAntti
08-24-2006, 04:30 AM
Time for a new addon?...Forgotten flyables?

269GA-Veltro
08-24-2006, 04:36 AM
Slovakian map and stuff worth an addon, be sure.

jasonbirder
08-24-2006, 06:41 AM
Great news on the add-on front, I have recently from different threads on different Forums managed to piece together the rumours (but no official confirmation) that 4.06 (when it is released) will include the Burma map, and that after the Luft 46 4.07 Add-on there will be a final free add on including some of the remaining modelled planes and objects...yippee!

On a different note though...I and most people posting here are loyal 1C customers, having purchased pretty much everything released and with every intention of purchasing everything else that comes along...as you CORE CUSTOMER BASE (the guaranteed revenue stream you can count on when you plan a new product) it would be nice if 1C employees could respond with just a little more courtesy and respect...at the end of the day....while they have produced a fantastic game which keeps many of my idle hours occupied...its us that puts the bread on their tables...not the other way round http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Seriously given that 1C aren't a huge operation with masses of simultaneous projects ongoing at anyone time why does it seem soooooo difficult for them to say...
This Product a has a estimated release of date b and should contain the following features c and d...
Then if there are changes to the schedule or the content just update people...
That would stop all the daft speculation, all the whining, all the questions about timetables and keep us the customer very happy indeed...
Know one wants to know any trade secrets...but If I want to buy a book I know is coming out...The publisher will give an estimated date of publication...and a bit of a plot synopsis to whet our appetities, If I want to buy some music...I will know the release date of the Album I want to buy and will probably have heard tracks from the Album as a "taster" ahead of time...Most other software I purchase, both lesiure and commercial comes with that kind of information...what it is and when it is coming...so why oh why oh why is it so hard for 1C to let its client base know the same (basic and essential) information.

WWMaxGunz
08-24-2006, 07:13 AM
What planet you live on Jason?
You think that anything will end all the whining then you must not be from Earth.

And why is it that people who make loose speculation as certainties and in general are rude
to others who work hard and long hours expect only kind, gentle responses?

What part of estimated release and maybe is so difficult? Software is a highly technical
endeavor that you can't keep loose promises of both what and when, sometimes just what.
Every time any kind of release is made there is a brigade of jerks to pick and tear at it
and the developers which just tears down at creative output like very little else. That
inspired algorithm that is just the thing we need has very little chance of happening when
the feedback is sour whine, I can tell you for sure! Keep jerking the chain and what we
all get will always be less for the stupid exercise. I give thanks to the idiots that do
the rude pushing with one finger up.

jasonbirder
08-24-2006, 07:34 AM
I in no way meant to be rude...I for one am delighted at the extra content we will be getting (and some of it for free!!!) and am when i stop and think about it speechless about the ongoing support this game has received http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But I also feel a more structured and realistic aproach to releasing information and producing publicity would be beneficial to 1C, to community developers and to us the customer.

norman888
08-24-2006, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:
But I also feel a more structured and realistic aproach to releasing information and producing publicity would be beneficial to 1C, to community developers and to us the customer.

I take their attitude as more of a "cultural" difference. Oleg was an engineer so I don't have to go into that stereotype. The company is from the ex-Soviet Union and these people were brought up in that system with all the secrecy and paranoia etc. that entails http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The rudeness could also be knowing English as a second language. Not knowing the words to use in that grey area between not agreeing with someone and just being rude to someone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Or they could just be rude?!

DuxCorvan
08-24-2006, 01:05 PM
Max, if that thing about the 'rude treatment' was at all about me, I'd like to remind you that I was in the other side of the 'rude treatment'.

I was never rude to anyone. Someone jumped in here adressing me by name and *being rude to me*.

Thank you.

ElAurens
08-24-2006, 05:17 PM
Guys, please try to remember that all distribution outside of Russia is done by UBI, not 1C or Maddox Games.

The delays we are experiencing are not Oleg's fault. The culpability rests entirely with UBI.

WWMaxGunz
08-24-2006, 05:48 PM
They could be working killer hours for not much pay. Then someone comes and says "this and
that" which from POV of the worker is not true, makes them look bad and comes from someone
who cannot know but fills in much to suit themselves. That could be a way to look at it.

Hey, I've worked for enough small companies and start-ups. It's worse when the people who
write your checks are the ones with the wrong-headed ideas though and no, I don't think
that because I bought my copies of the products that gives me rights to act up.

I read Olegs post and see the words of development will end when. That does not mean that
releases will stop at 4.07 as end of development is before end of releases... there is a
pipeline to release which includes UBI-time for us outside Russia but some time inside.
If something takes a week extra then that will 7 days of rising screams. Ever try to
prepare something just so while someone screams down your back? Enough times and you will
be hunched over even before approaching the work. It's like having small, loud children
that can't wait for food to cook or cool, just scream and if they can say it, word is "NOW!".

We could maybe have 4.06 now but what good what that be when the SFS files have been
hacked? Anyone want to guess how much it's gonna take to secure that info when so much
is known to trace patterns backwards of whatever is secured?