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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 07:05 AM
So what's up with it. if i remember it was almoast a done deal. So what happend?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Taylortony
01-14-2007, 11:13 AM
Ouch.......... stand back, it's getting hot in here...

Xiolablu3
01-14-2007, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
it's getting hot in here...

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LStarosta
01-14-2007, 11:24 AM
She want me fo my pimp juice.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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lateral-g
01-14-2007, 12:21 PM
oh boy.....

hot botton issue.........

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DuxCorvan
01-14-2007, 12:32 PM
AFAIK, the model was very complex, it was almost complete but lacked some reference, when Gib got it, he realized that the polycount was a bit too high, he realized he couldn't do it in time for the deadline Oleg had set, and withdrew it, but decided to make a high poly MSFS version instead.

That's how I remember it, but not sure. The whole history here:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1326.html#25

Gibbage1
01-14-2007, 02:16 PM
Well I bit off more then I could chew. The PBY is a VERY complex aircraft with huge turret spaces with TONS of detail. I was but a 1 man crew, and alone I could not finish it. Also Oleg stopped accepting 3rd party models quite some time ago. He has a big backlog of models to put in as it is.

One thing is for sure, the project is NOT dead. Just on the back burner waiting for the right flight sim. I have plans to make it for FS2004/FSX if I can get a few more team members to help me make it. Once BoB is released and Oleg releases the 3rd party tools, I will try to port over the PBY-5 into BoB since it did serv in that battle.

There are no definit plans, but the work was 65%-70% done, and im not going to trash the hundreds of hours and hundreds of $$ I spent on the model.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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major_setback
01-14-2007, 02:31 PM
I believe these are yours Gibbage. Am I right?

Feel free to post your old WIPs for those of us who are curious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/pby5a07.jpg

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-14-2007, 02:35 PM
May be a few years but I predict we will see it in a Maddox sim. Gib has done some really good work for this sim and many should realize that. Certainly I dont have to list them...do I? Ole Gib hasnt let this community down before and I believe he will indeed finish the job.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-14-2007, 04:30 PM
I'd be more than happy just seeing the CW.21B in 4.08. Praying.

Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Well I bit off more then I could chew. The PBY is a VERY complex aircraft with huge turret spaces with TONS of detail. I was but a 1 man crew, and alone I could not finish it. Also Oleg stopped accepting 3rd party models quite some time ago. He has a big backlog of models to put in as it is.

One thing is for sure, the project is NOT dead. Just on the back burner waiting for the right flight sim. I have plans to make it for FS2004/FSX if I can get a few more team members to help me make it. Once BoB is released and Oleg releases the 3rd party tools, I will try to port over the PBY-5 into BoB since it did serv in that battle.

There are no definit plans, but the work was 65%-70% done, and im not going to trash the hundreds of hours and hundreds of $$ I spent on the model.

Port it over? Kevin arnt the models in BoB going to be far more complex that IL-2?
I dunno, but your the expert so enlighten me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Feathered_IV
01-14-2007, 06:53 PM
Its a shame it isn't possible to simply add aircraft like this with just the pilots position modelled. If there was no option to jump to other positions (and how many real-life pilots actually did anyway?) I'd hardly loose any sleep over it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-14-2007, 07:39 PM
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Gibbage1
01-15-2007, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Port it over? Kevin arnt the models in BoB going to be far more complex that IL-2?
I dunno, but your the expert so enlighten me.

When I make it for FSX or whatever, I will be adding TONS of detail to the model. They cockpit is already WAY WAY over IL2's standards.

Just for referance. I modeled both the IL2's P-38 and a P-38 for FS2004 on www.skyunlimited.net (http://www.skyunlimited.net) thats for sale. The IL2 P-38 model is about 3800 polygons. The FS2004 model is around 65,000 polygons!!!!! The great thing about FS is that its not a combat sim, so you wont get 20+ aircraft in the same sky, so you can really push the limits. Also the extra polygons on the model wont hit the engine very hard. Something like 5-10% frame hit from stock FS2004 aircraft. It took me over a YEAR to model the P-38 for FS2004, and thats a single seat aircraft, and a team helping me texture and model the cockpit. To model an aircraft to such high standards is no simple task. An IL2 model took me abou 1 month. I did the Spitfire in about 2 weeks!

I have not seen any real specs on BoB:SOW's aircraft models. From what I have seen, I would guess that the external model is around 10,000 polygons per aircraft. What I would do is model the FSX PBY to about that level of detail pr around 15,000 polygons, and when BoB is out, port THAT model over if possible. It really depends on how Oleg implaments models. For the most part, IL2 and FS2004 models are similar. They can be made using the same program (3DS Max) and the external model fallows the same guidelines, but the cockpit for IL2 is vastly differant then FS2004 in the fact that IL2 uses many many many small 256x256 or smaller textures, and FS series uses a few large 512x512 or 1024x1024. So if BoB uses the same texture mapping style of IL2, and I make it for FS, it will be a HUGE task to split all those textures up into much smaller files. But remember, its not just for the cockpit, but for every manned position since IL2 has each position in a seperate file! Thats 5-6 cockpit files!!!!!!!

IL2 was easy to model when your only dealing with 2000-4000 polygons, but things get exponentially more difficult with the more polygons you add, the more cockpits you add and so on.

Its a daunting task, and I need a big team to do it. I want to find it by selling it for FSX first, and then bring it into BoB if possible. I still need to find a team to help me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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prototype stage, while the Gotha did."

Gibbage1
01-15-2007, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by major_setback:
I believe these are yours Gibbage. Am I right?

Feel free to post your old WIPs for those of us who are curious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif:


Yes. These are of my model. The pic above was a re-modeled PBY 5A for Pacific Fighters I was doing for Ilya. Time ran out on that one. The model was finished, but Ilya could not find someone to texture it in time. The PBY we have in the game is the PBN-1 Nomad. Its very differant and was never used by the US Navy. We made 210 of them and sold them to Russia. Thats why its in IL2. The plan was that once the PBY5-a was in-game, then I could make the cockpit for it later. It did not work out that way sadly.

The lower shot is the latest version of the PBY's turret blisters. You can see how complex the area is. Its not just a glass turret, but a cabin with two flexable turrets. The model is mostly done. The black thing in the middle was the toilet. What a view!

I cant model the PBY without the blisters. Its like a Spitfire without its signiture eliptical wings! The view from there would be AMAZING! Did you know the Russians were the first to put a blister on the PBY's? YEP!!!

As for your request of new screenshots, here ya go. The last thing I modeled before it was put on pause was the nose turret. This is the PBY5-a late model "eyeball" turret.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/gibbage/nosegun04.jpg

Just under that turret and forward is the bombadeers compartment. Im sure the bombadeer used the turret and did double duty. The norden is a photo I faked in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/gibbage/pbypit-27.jpg

You can see how very very complex the model is. I still have all my files along with almost 2 gigs of referance photo's and video's the community helped me collect. I have more then enough data to do it. The question is man power now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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bomber you want to add to Il-2 never even got to the
prototype stage, while the Gotha did."

GerritJ9
01-15-2007, 05:58 AM
I took a look at the PBY-5A in the Dutch Air Force Museum last year (it's partially dismantled in storage, waiting for space to display it) and was quite surprised that the fuselage was not flush-riveted at all! Getting this kind of detail in alone must cost 100s of hours to do correctly.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

The KNIL is dead. Long live the KNIL!

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-15-2007, 07:55 AM
Nice update. Too bad the time ran out on this model. It would have easily been one of the favorites in the PTO. I'm glad to see it's still not dead...just hibernating.


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avimimus
01-15-2007, 08:20 PM
Thank you,

As for BoB, given that:
- The tools will probably allow us to model pilot only aircraft with AI gunners (as was originally planned for Il-2)
- Bob will only model the forward area of gunner positions

Our earlier general pessimism may have been misplaced.

The catalina has proved an excellent AI aircraft for a whole range of missions (fighting the Tirpitz's Ar-196s, acting as a transport that needs to be escorted etc.)

So it is valuable as is (even if we never get to fly it).

Of course I join you in hoping for the day...

Copperhead310th
01-16-2007, 05:37 PM
bump<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Grey_Mouser67
01-16-2007, 07:28 PM
I was really hoping that Oleg would drop the requirement that every gun station had to be modelled.

I think a pilot position, bombadier if present and one key tail gunner or top turret position would suffice to get an aircraft into the game....now if the modeller wanted to do more, or add more at a later date then great!

If Oleg had gone that route, we might be flying a B-17 and B-29 now as opposed to not flying them....last time I checked, I spend 95% of my time in the pilot's seat, 4.9999% of my time as a bombadier and .0001% in a gunner station...often I just let the AI do their thing as they seem to be better at it than me.

Gibbage1
01-16-2007, 07:59 PM
Why bump?

As for the gunner, I tend to agree that not all positions need to be modeled. The thing is, I WANTED to model the blisters! Its something I always wanted to see from the inside out. One thing is for sure, I was NOT going to model the tunnel gunner. They had a .30 cal mounted aft of the blisters pointing down out of a small hatch. It was hardly ever used, and the blisters could manage quite an amazing arc of fire! So it total, there would be 5 positions. The engineer position in the venter wing pilon would be interesting, but rather useless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The one thing that irks me BAD is how if your in the gunner position, and that GUNNER is killed, your pilot is also dead. Im sorry Oleg, but if a gunner gets killed, the pilot fly's on!!!! ARG!!!!!!!!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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prototype stage, while the Gotha did."

Copperhead310th
01-17-2007, 11:01 AM
well just incase some one missed it.
that's why bump. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEXX_Luthor
01-17-2007, 11:15 AM
blisters are bumps<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-17-2007, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
blisters are bumps

Yes i noticed that. I have quite a few of those from driving a truck all day.
quite painfull too.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
01-18-2007, 12:39 AM
Would you guys stop bumping this thread!?!?!



DOH! I just bumped it!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Codex1971
01-18-2007, 01:21 AM
Gibbage...are you using 3DS Max?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
01-18-2007, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by Codex1971:
Gibbage...are you using 3DS Max?

Max 8.0<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Codex1971
01-18-2007, 02:25 AM
Is there a simpler way to line up reference images?

I use simple planes with the images as textures, but it's just a pain trying to line everything up.

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